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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: VirginiaJim on September 23, 2012, 07:28:49 AM
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This will be the thread whereby I order, install and review this kit from ProjeKt D. Arrival is anywhere from 10-21 days via airmail. Shipping was 8.95 with .89 for insurance. They use Paypal and are located in Taiwan. I'll update when I receive the units.
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When did they come out with those? I like it! Besides being more visable, never forget to turn off the turn signal again with those big blinking lights in your periferal vision. I wonder if it diminishes your view out the mirror. IE: going to changes lanes, put on turn signal, look in the mirror and now you have a big blind spot (of course I always turn my head as well but just saying). So yes, can't wait to see the review.
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Update: I liked the looks of this product so I went ahead and ordered it.
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Update: I liked the looks of this product so I went ahead and ordered it.
Update this thread, please, when you install and review...thanks.
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Anyone have any ideas about how the wiring gets routed? I was looking at the mirror mount, and it doesn't look like it can route internally through the mount.
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I was thinking the same thing. I guess we'll find out soon.
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Anyone have any ideas about how the wiring gets routed? I was looking at the mirror mount, and it doesn't look like it can route internally through the mount.
Yeah, give me a few to get pics of how I routed wires for my mirror LEDs. There is a fairly neat way to do it
if you're not afraid to remove the painted cover.
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Was yours the same one? And thanks in advance for getting those pics.
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Was yours the same one? And thanks in advance for getting those pics.
No, it was more like Fred H.'s, stick on edge lit LEDs, except I have twice as many LEDs
as Fred. (Because my receiver's volume goes to eleven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven). ;D)
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Edit: I've changed this as it's not as good as I originally
thought it was. The instructions from ProjeKt D are much better so I've changed this accordingly.
Here are the ProjeKt D instructions courtesy of VirginiaJim
(http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=10842.msg132592#msg132592)
Start by prying off the front cover. Start at the front lower side and once it "pops", DO
NOT pry up any more. Try to pull the cover straight forward (as in the normal direction of travel of the bike). Continuing to pry up will break the upper rear tab tips.
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-8QdmbGX/0/L/i-8QdmbGX-L.jpg) (http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-8QdmbGX/0/X3/i-8QdmbGX-X3.jpg)
Once the cover is off, you’ll want to remove the three Torx bolts on the bottom.
It is very easy (was for me anyway) to drop the mirror so have a good grip when you remove the last screw.
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-x9FMbtW/0/L/i-x9FMbtW-L.jpg) (http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-x9FMbtW/0/X3/i-x9FMbtW-X3.jpg)
Once the mirror is off put the Torx bolt back in the hole opposite
of the locating pin, and put a screw driver long ways between them and rotate the swivel either way.
(sorry, no picture)
This will raise it up somewhat from the mirror and give you more room to drill or file
a hole or notch for the wire.
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-2v8dd2j/1/L/i-2v8dd2j-L.jpg)
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-SQdPMWH/0/L/i-SQdPMWH-L.jpg) (http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-SQdPMWH/0/X3/i-SQdPMWH-X3.jpg)
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-3PDkH32/0/L/i-3PDkH32-L.jpg) (http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-3PDkH32/0/X3/i-3PDkH32-X3.jpg)
Route the wire over, under, or around the mirror and into the inside and then down
through the tube and through the hole.
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-5d35c27/0/L/i-5d35c27-L.jpg) (http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-5d35c27/0/X3/i-5d35c27-X3.jpg)
Then run it between the plastic cover and
the metal mirror mount. Being careful not to squish the wire (tuck as you go) run the wire
down throught the hole and fish it through the bottom of the mirror mount plastic cover, and remount the
mirror to the bike using the three Torx bolts. Leave enough slack inside the mirror so
there is no binding if the mirror is moved forward or rearward. Complete the hookup
to the signal wires and then test the signals and install the painted cover.
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-VtqvM2z/0/L/i-VtqvM2z-L.jpg) (http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-VtqvM2z/0/X3/i-VtqvM2z-X3.jpg)
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Are these used as turn signals? Thanks for the pics. It gives a better idea on how to route the wires.
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Are these used as turn signals?
Yes they are.
Thanks for the pics. It gives a better idea on how to route the wires.
You're welcome. Good luck, come back with pics of your own. :thumbs:
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I had been thinking about putting in a timer for the turn signals but that did not seem to be an actual solution to forgetting to reset them. This may not turn them off but I can't picture driving down the road without noticing. Since I have several long trips planned next month I went ahead and ordered them. Still hope I will have the benifit of your installation experience VirginiaJim before trying to install them.
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Outstanding, gentlemen. It looks like we have a real horserace. :thumbs: :chugbeer:
Who's going to hold the book on this?
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Looks good!! If they look as good as these pics I think I'll have to get some.
(http://projektd.com/images/products/bodywork/gtr1400/106_70_p.jpg)
(http://projektd.com/images/products/bodywork/gtr1400/106_70b_p.gif)
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Yes they are.
How did you splice them in to the bike wiring? And were there any unintended consequences?
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It appears that they tap the existing turn signals inside the front inner panel and go on top of the existing mirror. I like them.
Muth makes mirrors like this for the Goldwing and I loved them. You could not tell they had arrows in them unless you knew they were there. I looked in the mirror and then over my shoulder, then activated the signals just before a lane change so I wasnt looking at the lights effecting my vision, especially at night.
Has anyone seen these? http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005EZSMC4/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?redirect=true&tag=mywebsto02-20 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005EZSMC4/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?redirect=true&tag=mywebsto02-20)
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Not much to look at based on the link. Says they're unavailable. So now all this stuff comes out of the woodwork after I order them.....? ::) Oh well. I still like the Projekt Ds...
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The only thing they would add is better visibility due to the change in mirror location but I like the clean factory type the Projektd gives. Kuryakyn makes some but they are chrome. :o
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How did you splice them in to the bike wiring? And were there any unintended consequences?
I had my covers (Tupperware) all off because I was doing the running/light LED install. So I tapped
into the signal connectors on each side just at the connector above the signals themselves. If I was
just going to do the signal mirrors and not remove anything but the top covers then I would go
under the rubber boot on the left front side and tap in there. Both signals are available there so you
would need to run a wire across to the right side under the center top tank cover/'08-'09 glovebox for the
right mirror signal. The schematic for the connector in the left front boot is here:
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-N8fwc26/0/X3/i-N8fwc26-X3.jpg)
(Disregard the orangy-red dots with the yellow centers, that had to do with my other post.) You'll need to
connect to the green wire for the left mirror signal and the gray wire for the right mirror signal.
As for unintended consequences, I haven't found any, yet.
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Excellent!
By way of an update, I will say that Projekt D certainly communicates all the steps involved in the shipping procedures. I've been inundated with emails on it's status. They also send you a PDF file of the installation (haven't seen that yet as it may be caught in spam). It was.
LED signal installation instructions
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Excellent!
By way of an update, I will say that Projekt D certainly communicates all the steps involved in the shipping procedures. I've been inundated with emails on it's status. They also send you a PDF file of the installation (haven't seen that yet as it may be caught in spam). It was.
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Yeah... they were the same with my peg lowering kit.
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LED signal installation instructions
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Very interesting... Not as scary now that I see they aren't "replacement" mirrors... just supplemental ones that go on top. But, it gets me to wondering how thick the adhesive pad is, as the LED assembly can only really be as thick as the adhesive (or vice versa). Take a couple edge shots if you can... when your units arrive, of course.
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They also send you a PDF file of the installation.
LED signal installation instructions
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I like their instructions much better than mine, better wire routing and they appear to remove
a different cover so as to avoid messing with the color cover altogether.
I think I'll redo mine in the future.
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Excellent!
By way of an update, I will say that Projekt D certainly communicates all the steps involved in the shipping procedures. I've been inundated with emails on it's status. They also send you a PDF file of the installation (haven't seen that yet as it may be caught in spam).
What is also excellent is that their instructions (not only this, but others too) are not in Chinglish!
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Actually very well written. Not like the Japlish in the service and owner's manuals. Don't know if that's improved any on the new versions...
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I'm supposed to receive mine on Thursday. Unfortunately I will be out of the country for 2 weeks starting Thursday. So hopefully I can install on Sunday, Oct 21. Review to follow.
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It came late today, now to get the cojones to take the mirror assembly apart, always seems like I break something on my first try disassembling a part of the bike! ???
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I'm already half way there on the right side. Will be taking the mirror off today and seeing what I can do to damage it beyond redemption.
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This may be a bit slower than anticipated. Ran into some other issues while taking things apart on the right side. Half the plastic holding the well nut on the mirror is gone. I need to fix that. I knew the left side was totally cracked and gone but didn't realize the same thing was happening on the right. Looks like I'll be using some JB Weld to hold it together. The only way to totally fix it is a new mirror assembly and I don't want to do that. Going to the hw store now....
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This may be a bit slower than anticipated. Ran into some other issues while taking things apart on the right side. Half the plastic holding the well nut on the mirror is gone. I need to fix that. I knew the left side was totally cracked and gone but didn't realize the same thing was happening on the right. Looks like I'll be using some JB Weld to hold it together. The only way to totally fix it is a new mirror assembly and I don't want to do that. Going to the hw store now....
Hey- nothing wrong with using something to fix it. I have repaired many a plastic part on various devices using epoxy putty. If you can't see it, and it works, then no big whoop! Just make sure to scuff and score up the plastic first, then clean with alcohol so the epoxy or JB has something to grab onto that has texture and without oil/dirt contamination.
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That's what I was thinking of doing. Unfortunately, after a phone call this afternoon, that may be put on a back burner. I've got to go out and see my brother in Iowa. I was planning on going to Ohio but his call changed things. I'm going to continue on the installation of the signal mirrors but any other work is being postponed.
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Ok, got the right side fairing off so that I can see the wires going to the signal light. Looks like a green and black w/yellow stripe.
Can anyone confirm that the black w/yellow stripe is common or ground? I'm thinking so but I would like to know before I start a splicing...
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Ok, got the right side fairing off so that I can see the wires going to the signal light. Looks like a green and black w/yellow stripe.
Can anyone confirm that the black w/yellow stripe is common or ground? I'm thinking so but I would like to know before I start a splicing...
Don't you have a multimeter????!!!!
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This may be a bit slower than anticipated. Ran into some other issues while taking things apart on the right side. Half the plastic holding the well nut on the mirror is gone. I need to fix that. I knew the left side was totally cracked and gone but didn't realize the same thing was happening on the right. Looks like I'll be using some JB Weld to hold it together. The only way to totally fix it is a new mirror assembly and I don't want to do that. Going to the hw store now....
I have similar issue except all of it is gone :( How does one fix that short of replacing the entire mirror?
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Ok, got the right side fairing off so that I can see the wires going to the signal light. Looks like a green and black w/yellow stripe.
Can anyone confirm that the black w/yellow stripe is common or ground? I'm thinking so but I would like to know before I start a splicing...
According to the service man black w/yellow stripe is common.
Just got my kit in the mail today. But probably will not get to until I get back from a long business trip.
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I have similar issue except all of it is gone :( How does one fix that short of replacing the entire mirror?
I don't know.... I think we're all going to be Bozo's on that bus. Those attachment tabs aren't holding up well at all. It would be more palatable if we could order just the base but the damn thing comes as an assembly. Buying used would probably be the same issue unless the bike was wrecked early in it's life.
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According to the service man black w/yellow stripe is common.
Just got my kit in the mail today. But probably will not get to until I get back from a long business trip.
That's what I was thinking. Just wanted a second opinion before I destroy the electrical system.
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That's what I was thinking. Just wanted a second opinion before I destroy the electrical system.
Had you gotten it backwards, it would have simply not worked but caused no problems and no damage to the electrical system (not even a blown fuse- there would be no short or overload). The lights are LEDs so they require polarity to be correct to illuminate (unlike incandescent bulbs).
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Observations so far.....I used a 1/4 inch drill bit for the 6mm hole. Don't drop the mirror attachment nuts in the fairing. I got lucky and retrieved via a long magnet. I'm not sure I trust, yet, the mirror with the kit to stay fastened as I can't get it to stick in certain spots. I guess time will tell. Also not sure if the additional weight will cause the mirror to lose adjustment all the time. I guess time will tell. If it does, that's going to really **** me off. I had that issue with the stock C10 and Voyager mirrors......hated it. But, we'll see.
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The good news: The right side is working and I really like it. Haven't taken it out on the road yet, though, to check the visibility.
The bad news: Started taking apart the left side and can't get the nut off the most inward stud. The nut and stud are spinning.....not good....in fact, bad.
So, I'm planning a trip to Ohio to cheer up Poke this weekend, after his surgery...actually more like torment him a bit, and I'm probably going to:
Beatles- Let It Be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajCYQL8ouqw#)
The only way I can think of to remove the mirror assembly is to get a reciprocating saw and cut the bloody thing off and replace it with either a used or new one. Any thoughts?
I could use the alternate method but I'm going to have to replace that mirror and don't want to stick on the ProjeKt D kit and then have to pry it off. Sometimes glue don't like that.
Why do I feel like Haroldo?
Update: I decided to tighten things back up and then I tried it again. Don't know but it came off. Could have been WD40 and resting a bit that did it. I could see where the stud came unscrewed so I tightened it up again. Continuing on the left side...
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I decided to wait on the signal until I took this weekend ride in the Sierras. Well now it will have to wait since I clipped a deer at speed and now the insurance company and my mechanic will have to figure it out. took out the left headlamp, sidebag and some plastic. On the plus side the Mcenteprise bar got bent back 45 degrees in the act of protecting my leg.I guess I let the mechanic install the signals while he is in there!
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It's up and operational. Will take it out on a test ride to check the mirror adjustments. The real test will be this weekend. I'll report back by next Monday.
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It's up and operational. Will take it out on a test ride to check the mirror adjustments. The real test will be this weekend. I'll report back by next Monday.
Let us know how bright they are at night too.
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They look pretty bright in the garage..... I don't think brightness at night will be a problem.
I want to make sure they won't fall off. I'm doing about 1300 miles this weekend. That should be a good test.
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They look pretty bright in the garage..... I don't think brightness at night will be a problem.
I want to make sure they won't fall off. I'm doing about 1300 miles this weekend. That should be a good test.
I was referring to how distracting they will be to you at night. Did they angle the LEDs away from you enough so they don't interfere with your field of view at night?
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Dunno. I won't be testing that until Friday morning...but I'll keep it in mind.
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As far as them being bright at night.....they are. Not enough to really bother me though. They're visible in daylight but I don't know how visible. I'll have to get my wife to follow me on a nice bright day to see how they look. Did about 1200 miles and they didn't fall off or stop working. I can't say the same for the right mirror. It takes about 1000 miles to lose 2 out of 3 nuts on a mirror assembly if you don't tighten them enough. On the plus side, one very tight nut can secure the entire assembly for the duration of the trip home..... :banghead:
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How much are new mirrors? I saw black mirrors on Ebay that have a factory appearance for 229. The face was gloss black.
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It takes about 1000 miles to lose 2 out of 3 nuts on a mirror assembly if you don't tighten them enough.
Should I use blue locktite on mine?
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You can if you want to but I don't think it's necessary. It really does help to tighten them up in the first place.
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Those mirrors were kinda cool I must say.
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I finally installed mine, well just the left for now. Installation was straight forward, I just followed the instructions from Projekt D. Since Virginajim said he had problems with the new mirror adhering I thoroughly washed, rinsed and then cleaned with alcohol and had no problems with the new mirror sticking to the old. But that said, they are useless on a bright day. My wife followed me and could not see it at all. I took a short video to show what it looks like.
(http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/sreinschmidt/C14turnsig-1.mp4)
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I finally installed mine, well just the left for now. Installation was straight forward, I just followed the instructions from Projekt D. Since Virginajim said he had problems with the new mirror adhering I thoroughly washed, rinsed and then cleaned with alcohol and had no problems with the new mirror sticking to the old. But that said, they are useless on a bright day. My wife followed me and could not see it at all. I took a short video to show what it looks like.
(http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/sreinschmidt/C14turnsig-1.mp4)
I couldn't even tell that the signal was flashing till you got real close. Seems just about worthless except for maybe at night.
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I couldn't even tell that the signal was flashing till you got real close. Seems just about worthless except for maybe at night.
Yup, I was disappointed. I like Projekt D and the kit is well done but they just aren't bright enough. In fact one of the benefits I was hoping for was that I would never leave the turn signal on. I'm actually pretty good about that but once in awhile, especially when changing lanes I forget and was hoping that these being constantly in my peripheral vision would always remind me. But found that the little green lights on the console are brighter. I'm wondering if they are the way they are because they found that they would be too bright at night if they are bright enough to see well during the day. Seems like what is needed is much brighter with a dimming switch for night. But that would probably double the cost.
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I was wondering about that....usage in daylight. I can see them being useful at night and low visibility settings. I feared they wouldn't be as good in strong daylight.
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Projekt D dovrebbe sapere che i nostri specchi retrovisori illuminati da dietro fanno passare la luce,quindi lo specchio intero farebbe da freccia.
Scusatemi ma a me non sfugge questo particolare che posso con videoclip dimostrare.
Projekt D should know that our mirrors are illuminated from behind the light switch and the mirror would be whole arrow.
I'm sorry but I can not escape I can with this particular video clip show.
MGvalerio. 8)
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It's a concise sentence by Valerio but I notice that it's awfully translated into English by Google.
I try to do better...
"Projekt D should know that our mirrors let the light pass through when illuminated from behind, thus the whole mirror can act as a turn signal.
I'm sorry, but I noticed this peculiarity and I can demonstrate it with a video clip"
Well, awaiting for the clip then, Valerio... :)
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Somehow I was expecting more.. :'( . What, no full fledged turn signal unit that was toned down for night riding and bright for day time usage? However, thanks for demonstrating that the stock mirrors are indeed see through, MG. :)
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Sorry about the broken mirror MG but wondering if there is a way to safely remove the original mirror from the housing. Because then I could imagine creating something that lights up just the tip of the mirror with a dimmer for night. A bright bulb of some sort with aluminum duct tape on the back to make the rest of the mirror opaque.
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To remove the mirror I go warmed his support in PVC and put the mirror, I would do so.
Removed the mirror will open up a world of solutions.
Dear friend of many other things I C14 C14 routes, due to two accidents had in 2 weeks .... Joy ..
MGvalerio. 8)
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Just got my bike back yesterday from my deer strike and I had them add my turn signal mirrors at the same time.
I left work just before sunset and with the sun on the mirrors they are almost invisible but as it turned darker they really looked nice.
I try not to ride in the dark but at times have no options and anything that makes me stand out is great. I also have bag reflectors and Admore lights in my KAWA 47l top box. Maybe I have gone overboard?
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Maybe I have gone overboard?
Making yourself more visible is always a good thing!
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Just put a three and a half hour ride with these new mirrors and find that the curve on them gives me a better view than the OEM mirrors. I had spot mirrors on both sides before and now I don't feel the need to put them back on. Of course the spot mirrors were pretty much where the signal is placed.
The OEM mirrors are perfectly flat and distortion free and these new signal mirrors probably should say "warning objects are closer than they appear" but the distortion is just right!
My riding buddy was impressed enough that he was going to look for ones for his st1300.
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If drivers can't see your turn signals during daylight hours....the accessory is worthless as an additional safety device!
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If drivers can't see your turn signals during daylight hours....the accessory is worthless as an additional safety device!
Pretty much. I installed the left side but haven't even bothered with the right side.
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While I agree that in mid-day sun the signals are not bright enough I feel that they are easily seen in Morning, Evening and Night conditions. I seem to remember that dusk can be the most dangerous driving time due to our eyes adjusting to changing lighting conditions and these are very noticeable then.
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While I agree that in mid-day sun the signals are not bright enough I feel that they are easily seen in Morning, Evening and Night conditions. I seem to remember that dusk can be the most dangerous driving time due to our eyes adjusting to changing lighting conditions and these are very noticeable then.
Good point!
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I just saw these ones listed on ebay... :-\
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EFX-2pc-RED-7-LED-MIRROR-TURNING-SIGNAL-ARROW-LIGHTS-KAWASAKI-MOTORCYCLE-/390493650765?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AConcours%7CSubmodel%3A14&hash=item5aeb3c3f4d&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/EFX-2pc-RED-7-LED-MIRROR-TURNING-SIGNAL-ARROW-LIGHTS-KAWASAKI-MOTORCYCLE-/390493650765?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AConcours%7CSubmodel%3A14&hash=item5aeb3c3f4d&vxp=mtr)
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looks like they just mount on your mirror and would show all the time, even when not turning one would show an arrow?
nice price
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looks like they just mount on your mirror and would show all the time, even when not turning one would show an arrow?
nice price
I think they wire into you're existing blinkers and only light up when you turn your blinkers are on.
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I just saw these ones listed on ebay... :-\
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EFX-2pc-RED-7-LED-MIRROR-TURNING-SIGNAL-ARROW-LIGHTS-KAWASAKI-MOTORCYCLE-/390493650765?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AConcours%7CSubmodel%3A14&hash=item5aeb3c3f4d&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/EFX-2pc-RED-7-LED-MIRROR-TURNING-SIGNAL-ARROW-LIGHTS-KAWASAKI-MOTORCYCLE-/390493650765?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AConcours%7CSubmodel%3A14&hash=item5aeb3c3f4d&vxp=mtr)
But those would block visibility in part of your mirrors. Plus they appear to be red when they should really be yellow...
I see they do offer them in yellow (perhaps on other auctions), but also very illegal blue and green too.
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That's why I stick around here...
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A few days ago, I found a picture on this site of a C-14 whose owner had mounted LED strips inside the mirror enclosures to enhance turn signal lighting. The turn signals appear to be visible from the side as well as the rear and I really like that idea. Now I cannot seem to find it anywhere. I would like very much to ask the person who mounted the strips about where he/she routed the wiring from the mirror enclosure to inside the fairing. would like to hide the wires if possible.
Anyone have suggestions or information?
Thanks
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A few days ago, I found a picture on this site of a C-14 whose owner had mounted LED strips inside the mirror enclosures to enhance turn signal lighting.
Anyone have suggestions or information?
Thanks
I don't know if you saw mine (page 1 of this thread?) or someone elses, but..
I did that, after seeing what Fred Harmon did to his:http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/image/128363786 (http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/image/128363786)
The link below shows what I did, and another thanks to V'Jim for sharing the pdf instructions from ProjeKt D which I used to modify my original install to a much better one, but possibly made my instructions more confusing when I edited/updated my post. When you get the mirror cover off you will see a tube that the mirror housing rotates about. The wire goes down through this tube and through a hole that you drill and then into the bikes fairing. Since the wire goes down through the tube, the mirror housing can rotate around it without pulling on the wire.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=10842.msg132499#msg132499 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=10842.msg132499#msg132499)
(http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-VtqvM2z/0/M/i-VtqvM2z-M.jpg) (http://fartymarty.smugmug.com/photos/i-VtqvM2z/0/X3/i-VtqvM2z-X3.jpg)
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EXACTLY! Thank you, and thank you for the link to the explanation of the wiring. Perfect.
will begin this weekend and post results
:) :) ;D ;D
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No offense, but what you're suggesting would look like crap; that's probably why nobody has done it. If you want the next best thing, then what the link above shows would be my preference. But yes, a built-in mirror turn-signal with several LEDs would be visible from the sides, blind-spot, and back, just like many modern cars have. And a nice feature to have... especially if you add blind-spot warning in the mirror 8). Having said that, if you ride defensively all the time, you don't really need any of that IMO. Also keep in mind both front and rear turn-signals are perfectly visible from all angles ::). Good luck.
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I use the LED bright orange lights from Hyperlite, (same wiring as projekt D) inner corner of both sides, no obstruction, but very visible in any weather conditions, from behind and most importantly within blind spot.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_371dDaEENEE/SxCFs_4UMsI/AAAAAAAAAPo/7O0VNK9ZjlA/s400/Waterproof+speaker.jpg)
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I use the LED bright orange lights from Hyperlite, (same wiring as projekt D) inner corner of both sides, no obstruction, but very visible in any weather conditions, from behind and most importantly within blind spot.
That is a creative idea!