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Offline lt1

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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #80 on: June 20, 2012, 01:16:04 AM »
So how many bikes have you riden in your life; lets see Harldey Ablesons, cruisers and more high performance trikes, oh yes you are a closet trike burger aren 't you!!
Not sure how the question is relevant to the thread, but since you asked:

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1969   Honda   CB450
1979   Honda   CB750K
1977   Honda   CB400F
1984   Honda   CB700SC
1982   Honda   CBX
2006   Suzuki   SV650N
2008   Kawasaki   ZG1400
2008   Suzuki   TTR110E
2008   Yamaha   TW200
2008   Kawasaki   KLX140L
2008   Lance   Venice
1982   Honda   GL1100
2003   Suzuki   SV1000N
1983   Honda   GL650I
1989   Honda   VTR250
1995   Suzuki   RF900R
1993   Kawasaki   ZX600e
1990   Honda   VTR250
Ridden:
Honda CB125
HD V-Rod Muscle
HD XR1200X
Can-Am Spyder (semi-auto & manual)
BMW GT1600
FJR 1300
Star V-Star Classic 1100
Honda Shadow ACE
Honda Helix
Star Stratoliner
Triumph Tiger 955
Triumph Tiger 1050
Victory Vison
Victory Hammer S
Suzuki V-Strom 1000
Piaggio MP3 500
Honda CBR600RR
Suzuki DRZ400SM
Kawasaki Versys
Suzuki DR350
Several others, but I don't remember them all.  Hopefully you are content that I have ridden Harley Davidson's, various cruisers and a couple of trikes.  I'm not sure whether this proves that I am a genius or an idiot, or how it relates to the topic, but you did ask.  :)
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #81 on: June 20, 2012, 01:26:21 AM »
Germany is the bad example. Altho I enjoyed driving on their autobahns, the accident rate over there in general is through the roof.

Find out their laws/advice and do the opposite

yet another invaluable piece of information, Steve. Thanks! Obviously the November 2009 IRTAD Report got it all wrong:

- Deaths/100 000 inhabitants:
            Germany: 4.5
            USA: 12.3
- Deaths/100 000 vehicles:
            Germany: 7.2
            USA: 15
- Deaths/1 000 000 000 km:
            Germany: 7.2
            USA: 8.5

And no, I'm not German nor I care for them. But to Caesar what Caesar's is...
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #82 on: June 20, 2012, 03:31:14 AM »
yet another invaluable piece of information, Steve. Thanks! Obviously the November 2009 IRTAD Report got it all wrong:

- Deaths/100 000 inhabitants:
            Germany: 4.5
            USA: 12.3
- Deaths/100 000 vehicles:
            Germany: 7.2
            USA: 15
- Deaths/1 000 000 000 km:
            Germany: 7.2
            USA: 8.5

And no, I'm not German nor I care for them. But to Caesar what Caesar's is...

Thanks for correcting me , guess my old 80's stats are obsolete  :D
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #83 on: June 20, 2012, 04:03:51 AM »
Well, we haven't had a thread like this in a bit.  So far, it's moderately civil.  We appreciate that.
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #84 on: June 20, 2012, 04:55:47 AM »
Snip...

Again, it seems that the Magic Talisman Group still seems to think that conspicuity trumps awareness, judgement and skills.  That remains a fallacy.  Which also answers your inquiry as to whether I understand your decision to run highbeams in daylight conditions.  I understand, but disagree, because I understand that your reasoning is based on fallacies.  Not knowing how long ago your crash was, I hope you heal fully, or have already done so.

It never fails when we have a discussion such as this. Daytime high beam use, ABS vs.non-ABS, highviz gear ect...

Just because I'm using my high beams during the day does NOT mean that I rely on them solely to keep me safe, that's just another tool in my toolbox. Of course situational awareness, judgment, and skill are still at the top of the list in my toolbox. I can use more than one tool at a time you know?
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2012, 05:01:34 AM »
Proper use of multiple tools.

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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2012, 05:40:07 AM »
Hey Maxtog I bet you spend wayyyyyyy more time telling everyone how to live their lives than you spend riding you bike .... go for a ride .

You apparently don't know me at all.  Let's start with I am a Libertarian...
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2012, 06:01:38 AM »
Proper use of multiple tools.

And she rides with her high beams on too  :D
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2012, 07:40:54 AM »
Not sure how the question is relevant to the thread, but since you asked:

Owned: 
1969   Honda   CB450
1979   Honda   CB750K
1977   Honda   CB400F
1984   Honda   CB700SC
1982   Honda   CBX
2006   Suzuki   SV650N
2008   Kawasaki   ZG1400
2008   Suzuki   TTR110E
2008   Yamaha   TW200
2008   Kawasaki   KLX140L
2008   Lance   Venice
1982   Honda   GL1100
2003   Suzuki   SV1000N
1983   Honda   GL650I
1989   Honda   VTR250
1995   Suzuki   RF900R
1993   Kawasaki   ZX600e
1990   Honda   VTR250

Curious - the SV650, was it you're track bike?
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2012, 08:30:17 AM »
You apparently don't know me at all.  Let's start with I am a Libertarian...


Great....... ::)
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #90 on: June 20, 2012, 08:51:09 AM »
Proper use of multiple tools.



Let's really go off topic and discuss Tool Time girls, everyone seems to like Pamela Anderson as the Tool Time girl best. But I would like to put in a word for Debbe Dunning. I guess I just prefer the less slutty look.


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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #91 on: June 20, 2012, 09:53:52 AM »
It never fails when we have a discussion such as this. Daytime high beam use, ABS vs.non-ABS, highviz gear ect...

Just because I'm using my high beams during the day does NOT mean that I rely on them solely to keep me safe, that's just another tool in my toolbox. Of course situational awareness, judgment, and skill are still at the top of the list in my toolbox. I can use more than one tool at a time you know?
Perhaps we are understanding the discussion differently.  I do not believe that highbeam headlight use is a tool.  It is an error.  The reasoning behind it is fallacious.  It has more likelyhood of annoying others without benefitting the rider.  The logic behind it is the same as the logic behind loud pipes.  It is as effective as a guardian bell, without the benefit of being discrete.

Having said that, I do recognize that there are times when it is appropriate to use highbeams during the day, such as letting others know their high beams are on, and warning of traffic conditions.  But those are almost always temporary uses, not constant.

As I noted earlier, the damage from highbeams in the daytime is probably minimal, and though I it think is is both an annoying and a futile habit, it doesn't mean that I think that everyone who does it is a complete jerk or idiot.  I have a good friend who believes that it is a good idea, just as you seem to.  When we ride together, I ask him to ride in front, or I ask him to dim his lights.  He is courteous enough to do that, and we get along well.
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #92 on: June 20, 2012, 09:55:39 AM »
Curious - the SV650, was it your track bike?
No, I've never had a track bike.  I agree that it would be a good thing.
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #93 on: June 20, 2012, 09:57:57 AM »
That's it?
I appreciate your continued interest and curiousity, but still fail to see the relevance.  As noted it the post, there probably have been more, but I don't recall them at the moment, and don't see that it would matter.
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #94 on: June 20, 2012, 10:11:23 AM »
You don't know the reasons why the accident occured so making comments without knowing the complete details is rather stupid, so you would also be an award guest.
I dont know you but reading your comments I am grateful that you are not a freind of mine, as true friends don't make assumptions based on facts that they don't have.
True friends are few and far between.
You are correct as far as me not having all the details.  On the other hand, from the information you provided, you started using your highbeams during the daytime as a result of having a nighttime crash while using low beams.  Feel free to provide all the details of the crash, including the police report (redacted for privacy, of course), and let's do some post-crash analisys.  Whatever happened, your body paid a pretty serious price.  One would think that you would have a desire to understand what avoidance measures you could have taken, as well as whether there were any decisions before the crash that you could have reasonably made differently to ameliortate the situation.

Wow.  I just had a Sally Fields flashback.  "You like me.  You really like me."  Of course we are not friends.  It is possible to develop friendships over the web, but mostly we just get some insights as to people we would or would not be friends with were we to actually meet.  Fortunately, I do have a few good friends, and I hope you do as well.  Pretty much the same for everyone on the forum and in the world.  Since true friends seem to be few and far between, perhaps we would do well to spend more time being better friends to others rather than looking for others to be better friends to us.
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #95 on: June 20, 2012, 10:30:50 AM »
Lighten up guys, group hug time.  :grouphug:
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #96 on: June 20, 2012, 10:47:15 AM »
Brent's got a good point.....
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #97 on: June 20, 2012, 11:12:46 AM »
I'll go along with a group hug as long as one of those tool time girls get in on it.
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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #98 on: June 20, 2012, 12:11:40 PM »
I'll go along with a group hug as long as one of those tool time girls get in on it.

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Re: I ride with my C14 high-beam on during the day
« Reply #99 on: June 20, 2012, 12:21:07 PM »
Cumbaya.... (where is Joan Baez when you need her)?

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