The owners manual already states how long you can safely go between changes, and that includes not changing the filter every time. See........I just saved you all time and money.
When did curiosity and the quest for knowledge, however irrelevent to some, become the object of derision and ridicule? There are many subjects and dicussions here that I have no interest in and I think are somewhat superfluous but that doesn't mean that others aren't interested. Don't get me wrong, I realize that everyone has an opinion and the forums are a vehicle to express them, myself included. For the cost of less than two tanks of fuel I can gain a tidbit of information about the condition of the oil in my engine. Whether this information has any long term value remains to be seen. Just wondering.
Carry on.
When did curiosity and the quest for knowledge, however irrelevent to some, become the object of derision and ridicule?
Carry on.
Nothing wrong with the quest for knowledge at all, or for being curious for that matter. No ridiculing is meant, just those of us that feel some worry and are "over-curious" for nothing. Oil this and oil that is a subject beaten to death, unless dirt and other gunk make it into your engine.......the chances of having problems "before you sell the bike" are slim to none. All oil is pretty much so dang good across the board, that using anything within the specs required is going to serve you more than well. I do feel that synthetics have a slight advantage over high quality dino oils, but the oil companies and "testing companies" want you to be paranoid and spend the extra coin on their products or services. I run Rotella/Castrol in my C14 and Yamalube in my WR250R, and I don't see myself changing how I do things. Dont go cheap on any filtration, get the best out there, but doing anything above what the OEM specifies is typically pointless IMHO. We all gotta do what we feel we gotta do, I for one aint gonna sweat the small stuff.
And after all this, it still completely misses the point of the original post. The original intent was not to start a thread about oil comparisons, quality, or how much dirt and gunk was in the oil after X miles of usage, but if FUEL was getting into the OIL.
As you previously stated, there are only "about 0.001%" with the problem. And yes, no one else *should* have the problem. The original post was just an attempt to see if anyone on this site was interested in the problem enough to check their bike as more of a proof it wasn't happening in lesser degrees to others, hopefully proving there are just a few new bikes with a serious issue, rather than a lot of bikes with varying degrees of the problem.
Perhaps if anyone is curious, the suggestion Jim made about checking the smell of the oil for fuel would be good (OK everyone, pause here and go sniff your crankcase!). I don't know if the smell of fuel would be detectable, but if your bike is having this issue, it might.
I will not be testing mine either, as my oil level does not budge from where it starts after a oil change. It does go through gas pretty fast, but I'm sure it's going out the tail pipe, and not into the oil. I do, however, understand the OP's original post.
Sadly, on this site, if the word OIL and TEST come up in the same post, it turns into a dreaded oil thread.
/rant.
And after all this, it still completely misses the point of the original post. The original intent was not to start a thread about oil comparisons, quality, or how much dirt and gunk was in the oil after X miles of usage, but if FUEL was getting into the OIL.
As you previously stated, there are only "about 0.001%" with the problem. And yes, no one else *should* have the problem. The original post was just an attempt to see if anyone on this site was interested in the problem enough to check their bike as more of a proof it wasn't happening in lesser degrees to others, hopefully proving there are just a few new bikes with a serious issue, rather than a lot of bikes with varying degrees of the problem.
Perhaps if anyone is curious, the suggestion Jim made about checking the smell of the oil for fuel would be good (OK everyone, pause here and go sniff your crankcase!). I don't know if the smell of fuel would be detectable, but if your bike is having this issue, it might.
I will not be testing mine either, as my oil level does not budge from where it starts after a oil change. It does go through gas pretty fast, but I'm sure it's going out the tail pipe, and not into the oil. I do, however, understand the OP's original post.
Sadly, on this site, if the word OIL and TEST come up in the same post, it turns into a dreaded oil thread.
/rant.
It's an interesting thread, on many fronts. It appears most have a preconceived outcome that in an 'oil' thread, you're either an idiot or a moron
Rick
It might be interesting to see what oil analysis had to show over a period of time. If a motor started making iron does this mean the cam shafts are wearing? I think continued regular oil/filter changes along with preventive maintenance make for a long and happy engine life.
-snip-And a coffee filter between drain and catch can.
You may gain some insight by cutting the oil filter open and seeing what's inside.
Rick
And a coffee filter between drain and catch can.
I did it my first and second change, I was amazed at how much silver showed up the first change, second looked great, did changes at 100 and 500 miles.
No and yes.Thank you.