Center Stand and Side Stand Damaging Garage Floor

[sailor_chic]

I going to go out on limb here and defend the Rust Oleum 2 part epoxy. My guesstimate is that the vast majority of people applying it are men. Therefore, the application directions weren't read. Resulting in a product that produced lower expectations. Just saying!

[VirginiaJim]

 

[T Cro ®]

If that were not so dam true I'd ban this girl.......   

[maxtog]

I going to go out on limb here and defend the Rust Oleum 2 part epoxy. My guesstimate is that the vast majority of people applying it are men. Therefore, the application directions weren't read. Resulting in a product that produced lower expectations. Just saying!

I am not sure if the kit I used was Rust Oleum or not.  But I am a man, and I did read and follow the instructions carefully.  But it just didn't work all that well... whatever it was.

But the stereotype you portray might not be all that uncommon

[KaTieM505]

My wife told me that I was a guy so I'm sticking with that. I read and followed the instructions precisely. I contacted the factory after the Rustolium started coming up. They told me that I needed two coats on the floor.  So my wallet is thinner, the epoxy finish on the floor is thicker, and the crap is still coming up.

[Conniesaki]

How about moisture content in the concrete? Doesn't that need to be measured, and be within a certain range? ... or maybe a 'no greater than' type of number?

[tomp]

Hey Guys, Thanks for the kind words about my garage. I have spent a lot of time getting it that way, but it was well worth the effort. I grew up with a father that was a complete slob, and I think that has forced me in the neat freak direction. Plus those awesome bikes deserve a nice home to live in.

Brian, speaking of living room, heres a pic of my Max in my condo right after I first bought him. Certainly couldnt consider leaving him outside. Gotta take care of my boys!

Back in 73, kept my Maico 250 MX'er in my appt living room, but couldn't find the pic of it, that I know I have somewhere.  My new wife, at the time, didn't mind.  Should have kept her. . . Live and learn, I guess. . . tp

[maxtog]

How about moisture content in the concrete? Doesn't that need to be measured, and be within a certain range? ... or maybe a 'no greater than' type of number?

I am guessing there are probably a whole lot of factors that can contribute to it not working well (or working fine).  How old the concrete is, the type of concrete, the humidity, how it was cleaned, what chemicals were used, how long the etching was left on, moisture content of the slab, application temperature, the age of the kit, the formulation the factory used, what previous contaminates might have soaked into the surface before it was cleaned, etc, etc.

[tomp]

I am guessing there are probably a whole lot of factors that can contribute to it not working well (or working fine).  How old the concrete is, the type of concrete, the humidity, how it was cleaned, what chemicals were used, how long the etching was left on, moisture content of the slab, application temperature, the age of the kit, the formulation the factory used, what previous contaminates might have soaked into the surface before it was cleaned, etc, etc.

I do get that.  In my den, I have hard wood laminate flooring over a concrete slab.  Placed a rubber based rug over it for a chair to roll around.  After a while, the moisture from under the foundation seeped upwards through the concrete and destroyed the hard wood flooring, covered by the rubber base. Probably a thousand dollars worth of damage.  Concrete, as an unsealed base is a b!tch, for sure. 

[T Cro ®]

I do get that.  In my den, I have hard wood laminate flooring over a concrete slab.  Placed a rubber based rug over it for a chair to roll around.  After a while, the moisture from under the foundation seeped upwards through the concrete and destroyed the hard wood flooring, covered by the rubber base. Probably a thousand dollars worth of damage.  Concrete, as an unsealed base is a b!tch, for sure.

Not to side track the thread any more than it already has been.... But I've got to ask was the flooring laminate or was it hardwood ? Generally it can't be both. While hardwood can be bonded to a substrate that's usually called engineered flooring and laminate generally has a photo finish over compressed fiber and requires a plastic moisture barrier. I used Wilsonart laminate flooring over an unfinished basement floor with both rubber backed rugs and plastic roller chair mat without issue for years. I don't speak for hardwoods as I've never installed them.

[jimmymac]

Are you guys still talking about this?  Really?
Must be cold out.

[tomp]

The flooring is made by Anderson.  Constructed of layers of hard wood, similar to plywood construction.  Nothing man made involved. (Not a Pergo style product)  The installer didn't seal the concrete before trowling the cement and laying the flooring. Guess the cement didn't form a good enough moisture barrier.  The rubber mat sealed off the top of the wood, not allowing it to breathe, and the trapped moisture rotted the wood layers.  At least that's what another flooring guy told me happened.   

FWIW, here's why I used both hard wood and laminate in my description.

laminated
[lam-uh-ney-tid]  Spell  Syllables
Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
formed of or set in thin layers or laminae.
2.
constructed of layers of material bonded together:
laminated wood.

Now, back to the garage floor problem...tp

[T Cro ®]

Are you guys still talking about this?  Really?
Must be cold out.

Yes 13 in Milwaukee....

[T Cro ®]

At least that's what another flooring guy told me happened.   
Now, back to the garage floor problem...tp

And he was spot on I would say; too bad the first flooring guy didn't know that.

I'm going to prolly cover my painted garage floors with some sort of rubber floor matting; will be costly but easy to do....

[Stephen.G.Fiddes]

To the guys having issues with Epoxy:   

That is why I'm not going with an epoxy based system, but rather a penetrating sealer.  The concrete looks and feels 100% natural/ bare, but when you spill something, it doesn't actually soak into the concrete. Generally good for over 20 years. No peeling, no moisture buildup, no hot tire issues.


EDIT:   Here's a good article. http://allgaragefloors.com/concrete-floor-sealers/

[maxtog]

To the guys having issues with Epoxy:   

That is why I'm not going with an epoxy based system, but rather a penetrating sealer.  The concrete looks and feels 100% natural/ bare, but when you spill something, it doesn't actually soak into the concrete. Generally good for over 20 years. No peeling, no moisture buildup, no hot tire issues.


EDIT:   Here's a good article. http://allgaragefloors.com/concrete-floor-sealers/

That is great for new concrete that already looks good and you want to keep it that way.  Not so great for concrete that already has stains and such.  People wanting to use the epoxy 2-part paint are usually doing so because the house they bought already had a not-great-looking slab.

[Stephen.G.Fiddes]

That is great for new concrete that already looks good and you want to keep it that way.  Not so great for concrete that already has stains and such.  People wanting to use the epoxy 2-part paint are usually doing so because the house they bought already had a not-great-looking slab.

Ahhh, gotcha.   Well I will also be doing some thorough cleaning and possibly acid etching before I apply my coating, but I'm not too worried about old stains per-se, just want to make sure oil, chemicals, and other fun stuff doesn't get soaked into the concrete and cause a new ugly mess that's really hard to clean up.  Especially with my history of bumping into an oil pan while changing oil or other general clumsiness lol

[sailor_chic]

Yes 13 in Milwaukee....

I'm sorry! It was only 83 here yesterday

[gPink]

Here is an option from a floor mat company I've done business with......

http://www.americanfloormats.com/garage-flooring/

[Cold Streak]

That is what I got!  I ordered it through Menards.  I bought two 5x10 rolls and butted them up next to each other and held them down with double sided tape.  So far so good, except they contract a bit when cold, so there is now a 1/4" gap between them.     I might get another roll when I get my next bike.  Gotta keep expanding.  It's good for the economy, which needs all the help it can get.