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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Son of Pappy on May 04, 2012, 07:13:11 AM
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So, in the interest of giving Ryan a semi valid number I suggest we give it to him. I'd also suggest color choice, his powder coater may appreciate some extra buisness. If your not sure or if funding may be an issue I would suggest option #3 for now, I will make it so the poll is changeable, but please start on the low end so Ryan can get fairly accurate numbers.
If SWMBO is on the fence show her #5, a loving, carring partner would never deny such an obvious piece of safety equipment and how many women want to be seen on an unsightly bike? Lets face it, gravity will always be here, she's gonna take a nap, why not provide her with a pillow?
I am at the %1000000000000 ready to order stage. I would like to see a set either in the raw or a light charcoal gray, something to tie in the slow lower black color and the vastly quicker Silverdammit.
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Count me in.
Jon.
(Candy Red 2009)
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I'd be in, the color isn't a big deal to me. Black will be fine. I'd rather have it color matched to my bike but I'm not going to spend any more money or time to make that happen.
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I wanna see how its gonna look. I don't think they can just mod the present one, the fairing vents are in a totally different place.
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I wanna see how its gonna look. I don't think they can just mod the present one, the fairing vents are in a totally different place.
You are correct, sir! We won't be modding the CC we made for the 2010-2012 to fit the 2008-2009 bikes. It doesn't really work that way from a manufacturing standpoint. It's going to be a completely new build but we're planning on using a similar design because we think the CC for the 2010-2012 bikes came out great. Of course we'll tweak the design slightly so it flows with the fairings of the earlier generation bikes though.
Regarding colors, we're going to offer these bars in chrome, black, and raw just like our other bars. For those of you who don't like the black or chrome, I suggest just buying the raw version and getting it painted whatever color your heart desires. I really think this is the best way because too many choices just makes it more difficult for us and more confusing for the buyer.
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I'm interested, it must be powder coated in black!
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I'm interested in seeing how they look on the 2009, but I'm probably not going to order either. I've never been a fan of crash bars.
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I'd like a set, but I'd like to see the final version.
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I put myself at the 25% level. Having dropped my Connie, I could have already used them, but it doesn't mean I wouldn't need them again at some point. :-\
For those of you, like me, that didn't know what SofP was talking about, the link is here:
http://www.mcenterprisesusa.com/products/search/dsp_searchForm.cfm (http://www.mcenterprisesusa.com/products/search/dsp_searchForm.cfm)
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in 100%, and the sooner the better. I'm going for raw on both and my plan will be bed liner or similar textured black like the frame and what I powder coated my wheels.
Can't wait to see hand get my hands on these.
Mike
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I like Canyon Cages, don't ya think that's something I'd like to have...... ;D
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I'm at the 100% will buy. Black, I hate chrome. will get the small saddlebag guards at the same time. If you weren't on the wrong coast I'd drop off the bike for a couple weeks so you could use it as a fitting dummy.....but that's a bit too far even for me and I'm a traveling fool.
Duck.
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The wife said I need a black set !
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I'd be interested in a black set as well.
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Cost? and I vote for a powder-coat black.
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Cost? and I vote for a powder-coat black.
We're not positive on cost yet and won't be until we get the bike in our shop and begin fitting the Canyon Cage up. I'm guessing cost will be similar to the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 though. ~$300. Of course it'll be discounted for those of you who participate in the 2008-2009 Group Buy!
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I'm in for both in black. Make 'em look similar to the 2010-12 please !!
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In there like swim wear. I am buying a set. In fact, I wish I already had a set. I dropped mine today. I slipped on the bike cover that was carelessly thrown on the ground by some mindless fool(read me).
Anyone know the part number for the right hand middle fairing. The one with the turn signal in it. Mine is an '08. I have looked , but holy crap there are a lot of numbers on the fiche. Best I can tell, it's 55028d.
Hurry Ryan, some of us need your cages sooner than others.
Huero
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In there like swim wear. I am buying a set. In fact, I wish I already had a set. I dropped mine today. I slipped on the bike cover that was carelessly thrown on the ground by some mindless fool(read me).
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Sorry bro.
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Anyone know the part number for the right hand middle fairing. The one with the turn signal in it. Mine is an '08. I have looked , but holy crap there are a lot of numbers on the fiche. Best I can tell, it's 55028d.
I think the part you need is 55028A, which is unfortunate since it is a lot more expensive. The link below shows the part. You can blow up the picture if you need to see it more clearly.
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/2008-kawasaki-concours-14-zg1400b/o/m148939#sch549622 (http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/2008-kawasaki-concours-14-zg1400b/o/m148939#sch549622)
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I will get a set.
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Thanks cold streak.
I am gonna start another thread about this so I don't hijack this one.
Point is, I am sure these bars would have saved any damage to my bike in this instance. I was able to set it down gently, but it has scratched the middle side fairing substantially.
Thanks,
Huero
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Bump.
08...need now...please help me....spend....my money!
Gotta be more than 10 folks willing to pony up??
Mike
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Did you see the poll results, Mike?
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WANT....WANT....WANT...Willing to sell blood to make this happen!!
%1,000,000,000 YES
cages and hoops for the saddlebags
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19!!! Please let this be enough for the next build! This thread should be just as active as the gen 3s. Come on y'all, pony up!
Mike
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Count me in, I want the cage in black.
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Dang, there are more of you looking for these than we initially thought for sure! I just wanted to let you guys know that the success of the 2010-2012 Canyon Cages won't stop us from getting the earlier generation bike in our shop and working on a similar design for you guys. We're close to starting a second run of CCs for the newer generation bike but we plan on getting a 2009 bike in our shop within a week or two and it shouldn't take us longer than a week to get something made up. I suppose we can just continue on this thread and I'll post build photos here once we begin the design/prototype phase, no need to make a separate thread about it.
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Ryan, I can be your poster child. I am certain that wih yor bars, I would have done absolutely no damage to mine. As it stands, I am out $250 bones to replace plastic on mine.
Huero
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Dang, there are more of you looking for these than we initially thought for sure! I just wanted to let you guys know that the success of the 2010-2012 Canyon Cages won't stop us from getting the earlier generation bike in our shop and working on a similar design for you guys. We're close to starting a second run of CCs for the newer generation bike but we plan on getting a 2009 bike in our shop within a week or two and it shouldn't take us longer than a week to get something made up. I suppose we can just continue on this thread and I'll post build photos here once we begin the design/prototype phase, no need to make a separate thread about it.
I think that once you get going on the Gen one cages that you'll see a lot of guys coming out of the woodwork wanting them.
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Gottas have 'em... I just gotta have 'em. These and a set of small racks for the bags & Black Betty will feel all protected. 8) Bam-A-Lam
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Wonder if Ryan has got a gen I in yet?
Huero
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Wonder if Ryan has got a gen I in yet?
Huero
Somewhere in all these posts Ryan said that they're not getting a Gen 1 bike in till 5/29, I think...
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I would get somes in black.......
Is shipping to Canada a problem???
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I would get somes in black.......
Is shipping to Canada a problem???
Hey guys! As Conrad stated, we will be getting the 2008-2009 bike in our shop on 5/29 so preliminary design and such will happen at that time. Hopefully it won't take us longer than a week or so to get a design worked up as we're merely going to adapt our current Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 Connie to fit the earlier generation bikes.
Also, shipping to Canada is no problem whatsoever although we don't cover the cost of shipping for international orders like we do for domestic orders.
Oh, I also wanted to ask you, Son of Pappy, if it's okay if we continue to use this thread during the build of the earlier generation Canyon Cages or if you'd prefer that I make a new thread? I think it'd be easier to merely update this thread since it's already established but I figured I'd ask, just in case!
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Bump to the front.
Mike
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Ours will be cheaper since we had to wait longest......right?
:)
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Ours will be cheaper since we had to wait longest......right?
:)
Hahahahaha I wish I could tell you this was the case but we still have to cover production, labor, and material costs! Although, 25% off is a pretty darn good deal!
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Hahahahaha I wish I could tell you this was the case but we still have to cover production, labor, and material costs! Although, 25% off is a pretty darn good deal!
I'm really disappointed that you as a private business has to make a profit. All this should be done for the good of the many (that's us) rather than the good of the few (that's you). :rotflmao:
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Hey guys! As Conrad stated, we will be getting the 2008-2009 bike in our shop on 5/29 so preliminary design and such will happen at that time. Hopefully it won't take us longer than a week or so to get a design worked up as we're merely going to adapt our current Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 Connie to fit the earlier generation bikes.
Also, shipping to Canada is no problem whatsoever although we don't cover the cost of shipping for international orders like we do for domestic orders.
Oh, I also wanted to ask you, Son of Pappy, if it's okay if we continue to use this thread during the build of the earlier generation Canyon Cages or if you'd prefer that I make a new thread? I think it'd be easier to merely update this thread since it's already established but I figured I'd ask, just in case!
By all means, continue the thread, makes it easy to keep track of whats what. I'll change the thread title when the time gets here.
At the Fort Lewis Safety day today I couldnt help but think how cool it would be to drag a peg one handed at 3 miles an hour ;D We had a coupla Lakewood Motors ther, their budget is shrinking so they are being stuck with their old Harleys, they had a chance to use the Idaho C14s, the ONLY complaint they had was the hard as sin Corbin, they want something a bit plusher, so if you have any input along them lines I'd suggest a differant choice of seats. They loved the bike, called it a bullet. I'm always hearing reports that the WSP is having issues with high speed wobbles, seems the radio/electronics is enough to really screw with the suspension.
So, 5/6 days and the fun begins, looking at the poll results they should sell pretty good.
Ryan, what would it take to get a set made up fo an 05 KLR?
And thanks for asking and everything else you've done.
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Well since I'm always a day late and a dollar short... Ryan... Are they done yet? I want 'em in black. As to your surprise as to how many of us want them... I'll wager that if these had been offered earlier on, you would have probably found yourself consistantly running out of stock. Your police style crash guards just aren't "sporting" enough... Granted the work well, but the local po-po frowned on me putting flashing red/blue leds on my bike. These Canyon Cages on the other hand are just yummie. I already have the small saddlebag guards... Now get to work and get these built (and powdercoated) YESTERDAY ... ;D
So add me to the list of gotta have it!
Are they ready yet?
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By all means, continue the thread, makes it easy to keep track of whats what. I'll change the thread title when the time gets here.
At the Fort Lewis Safety day today I couldnt help but think how cool it would be to drag a peg one handed at 3 miles an hour ;D We had a coupla Lakewood Motors ther, their budget is shrinking so they are being stuck with their old Harleys, they had a chance to use the Idaho C14s, the ONLY complaint they had was the hard as sin Corbin, they want something a bit plusher, so if you have any input along them lines I'd suggest a differant choice of seats. They loved the bike, called it a bullet. I'm always hearing reports that the WSP is having issues with high speed wobbles, seems the radio/electronics is enough to really screw with the suspension.
So, 5/6 days and the fun begins, looking at the poll results they should sell pretty good.
Ryan, what would it take to get a set made up fo an 05 KLR?
And thanks for asking and everything else you've done.
KAS stopped using Corbin and now use a local guy. They have a few photos on their facebook site.
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So, 5/6 days and the fun begins, looking at the poll results they should sell pretty good.
Ryan, what would it take to get a set made up fo an 05 KLR?
Today is the day! We're getting the '08/'09 in our facility today to begin getting this Canyon Cage made up!
Regarding the KLR, if we were to end up making a set for that bike, it'd be quite a ways down the line. I believe the owner is planning on making these Canyon Cages for a few other bikes first although I'm not sure what bikes he has in mind. Is that KLR650 that popular of a bike? I rarely see them on the streets around here but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Well since I'm always a day late and a dollar short... Ryan... Are they done yet? I want 'em in black. As to your surprise as to how many of us want them... I'll wager that if these had been offered earlier on, you would have probably found yourself consistantly running out of stock. Your police style crash guards just aren't "sporting" enough... Granted the work well, but the local po-po frowned on me putting flashing red/blue leds on my bike. These Canyon Cages on the other hand are just yummie. I already have the small saddlebag guards... Now get to work and get these built (and powdercoated) YESTERDAY ... ;D
So add me to the list of gotta have it!
Are they ready yet?
Hahahahaha they're not quite ready yet! We're getting the bike in our shop today to begin getting it fit up though! Hopefully it'll only take a week or so to get the bar fit up and then it'll be another 4-6 weeks of production until they're ready to be shipped out. I know it's a bit of a wait but hopefully it'll be worth the wait!
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Good to hear! The '10+ cages look perfect to protect against low-speed drops and as a mount-point for highway pegs, so I'm definitely looking forward to seeing these done! Now I just need to convince SWMBO...
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Today is the day! We're getting the '08/'09 in our facility today to begin getting this Canyon Cage made up!
Whoot! :thumbs: :thumbs:
Mike
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Today is the day! We're getting the '08/'09 in our facility today to begin getting this Canyon Cage made.
Great news!!!!!
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Today is the day! We're getting the '08/'09 in our facility today to begin getting this Canyon Cage made up!
Regarding the KLR, if we were to end up making a set for that bike, it'd be quite a ways down the line. I believe the owner is planning on making these Canyon Cages for a few other bikes first although I'm not sure what bikes he has in mind. Is that KLR650 that popular of a bike? I rarely see them on the streets around here but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Hahahahaha they're not quite ready yet! We're getting the bike in our shop today to begin getting it fit up though! Hopefully it'll only take a week or so to get the bar fit up and then it'll be another 4-6 weeks of production until they're ready to be shipped out. I know it's a bit of a wait but hopefully it'll be worth the wait!
Yipppppppppyyyyyyyyy!!!!!! As to the KLR? I would hazard it is twice as popular as the C10 or 14. The ADV camp is growing by leaps and bounds, to be perfectly honest, you would sell more bars for the GS 650/800/1200 then you would for the KLR. A bonus? The DS/ADV crowd tends to have money and likes to spend it.
I sure am looking forward to seeing the Gen 1 bars, I can promise some nice action shots from Pacific Raceways this year ;D
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Yipppppppppyyyyyyyyy!!!!!! As to the KLR? I would hazard it is twice as popular as the C10 or 14. The ADV camp is growing by leaps and bounds, to be perfectly honest, you would sell more bars for the GS 650/800/1200 then you would for the KLR. A bonus? The DS/ADV crowd tends to have money and likes to spend it.
I sure am looking forward to seeing the Gen 1 bars, I can promise some nice action shots from Pacific Raceways this year ;D
Hmmm, that is interesting. I'll have to look into those bikes once we're done getting the Connies fit up.
I have to say, though: The 2008-2009 bike is quite a bit different than the 2010-2012 than I had initially thought. Interestingly enough, the mounting points are nearly identical but the fairings and lines on the fairings are vastly different which is making this build more difficult than I had initially anticipated. It looks as though we're going to have to go with a different design than we used for the 2010-2012 Connie. I don't have any photos for you guys yet because we keep making changes to the bar but as soon as we get a design that I think you guys will like I'll be sure to share it with you. Due to the flow of the fairings, it was initially looking like the 2008/2009 Canyon Cage would have required drilling but I'm really trying to avoid that. Anyhow, I'll upload some photos as soon as I have a design worth sharing!
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8) :popcorn:
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I have to say, though: The 2008-2009 bike is quite a bit different than the 2010-2012 than I had initially thought. Interestingly enough, the mounting points are nearly identical but the fairings and lines on the fairings are vastly different which is making this build more difficult than I had initially anticipated. It looks as though we're going to have to go with a different design than we used for the 2010-2012 Connie.
I was wondering why you kept saying it was going to be quicker, or implied it would be a similar design, or just adapt the existing one to it. You can't do that. The fairings are radically different.... But you are seeing that now ;) VERY curious as to how this will play out.
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I was wondering why you kept saying it was going to be quicker, or implied it would be a similar design, or just adapt the existing one to it. You can't do that. The fairings are radically different.... But you are seeing that now ;) VERY curious as to how this will play out.
Yea, I didn't mean we'd be able to use the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 and simply make it work on the older generation bike. I moreso meant we were going to use a similar type of design with the rectangle part and modify the mounting so it would fit on the earlier generation bike. I thought this build would be a bit quicker because we already had a good design in mind but I'm quickly coming to the realization that that's not really the case. You can see what I mean in the photos posted below, we used a similar design and merely changed how it mounted up. This bike has a BUNCH of competing angles though which is making it extremely difficult to create a part that flows with the bike. To me, this part doesn't really look like it belongs on the bike like the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 bike.
Anyhow, we need your guys' help! For some reason this design doesn't look like it GOES with the bike although I believe it would protect it well in a tip over. Do any of you guys have any opinions or recommendations? I believe we could probably get a bit cleaner design if we were to drill into the fairing for one of the mounting points but I'm really trying to avoid that. If it came down to it though, would you guys mind drilling if it meant a cleaner looking application? I'd love to hear all of your comments and opinions! Keep in mind: The bar must extend that low on the fairing (extending that low seems to make the "rectangle" a bit large though) in order to protect the bike properly in a tip over and the only acceptable mounting points are higher up on the bike inside those vents. Something needs to be done to make this bar a bit more appealing to the eye but I can't quite put my finger on what!
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0292.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0293.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0294.jpg)
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My advice would be to rotate the rectangle section forward and make it (the top line of the rectangle) run parallel with the line that separates the lower and middle fairing. JMHO
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I've got an '08. I've got an extended extended warranty. I plan on keeping the bike. That said, where would you have to drill the fairing? Can you do a mock-up with out having to actually drill the nice mans fairing? Work the design and stub the end at the hidden mount so we could see. Drilling the fairing would not be a deal breaker for me if done right.
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Go figure... I'm not too keen about the hole in the fairing. Been there, done that and it made plastic removal a royal PITA. Jeremy's comment makes sense, but IMO the mockup looks pretty damned good to me. I have the GSG sliders and they're always getting in my way when I need to move my feet/legs around. And if you could possibly incorporate some touring pegs as an option they would be even more awesome...
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So, my photo shops is beyond sucking. I'll try to do it with words. Starting from the upper mounting point follow the fairing line to the lower cowling, then follow lines to rear mounting point. Take inner bar to follow rear fairing line. Lower portion could be lower then cowling, but I would say not more then say an inch or so.
BTW, impressive work Ryan, tell your crew they be doin one heck of a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same for you :)
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Ryan,
Looks like you got the faster bike color in for surgery ;D ;D
If at all possible can the bar be mounted without drilling a hole?
As someone else has stated it can be a PITA to remove the plastic for service items.
Jon.
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Here is a variation. Lower part of cage is the hardest part trying to get the cage low enough to hit first with not much room to bend radii. Other wise the cage follows similar front line as MCE crash bars, everything else relates to the lines of the fairing and flows well.
Gordon
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5671/08conniecanyonbarsgm.jpg)
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I was thinking that bars parallel to the lines would be better on the eyes. This is rough but just my thought:
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Here is a variation. Lower part of cage is the hardest part trying to get the cage low enough to hit first with not much room to bend radii. Other wise the cage follows similar front line as MCE crash bars, everything else relates to the lines of the fairing and flows well.
That is quite interesting. Although the 2d/3d aspect is really strange, probably due to the shading from the photo editing. Seems to extend low enough on the back part, when we have been told is the key contact point.
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I told you so!
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Here is a variation. Lower part of cage is the hardest part trying to get the cage low enough to hit first with not much room to bend radii. Other wise the cage follows similar front line as MCE crash bars, everything else relates to the lines of the fairing and flows well.
Gordon
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5671/08conniecanyonbarsgm.jpg)
Interesting!........How did you do that?
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Interesting!........How did you do that?
Photo editing. You can copy and move sections, "heal" other sections/etc.
Here you go, I made a totally silly one in GIMP under Linux in about 5 minutes...... I don't suggest this as a valid design, however :)
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I was thinking that bars parallel to the lines would be better on the eyes. This is rough but just my thought:
Exactly what I would like to see. Just extend the bottom bar to account for the initial contact point if the bike is dropped.
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(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0293.jpg)
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Here is my design.
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6610/canyoncage1.jpg)
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I like that one!
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Here is my design.
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6610/canyoncage1.jpg)
Nice, but shouldn't the vertical bars be wider apart to spread the load?
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I wouldn't mind having to drill a hole in the plastic if the aesthetics are right. Function first, but would like it to follow the body lines a bit more than the mock shows.
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My advice would be to rotate the rectangle section forward and make it (the top line of the rectangle) run parallel with the line that separates the lower and middle fairing. JMHO
+1
The parallel lines of the rectangle should match the lines created by the air fins...
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Is there any way to get the front vertical bar to go further forward? Possibly curling the top bar forward as it exits the fairing or... use the top mount only to exit the fairing, then let the top bar go past that point and bend down 4 or 5 inches forward with the top mount welded to top bar from behind. I agree the horizontal bars need to follow the lines of the lower fairing. Good luck...looks like a real head scratcher.
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Ryan, you guys are doing good work!
If we had to cut a hole would it be in the bottom(black) part of the fairing? Just wondering.
Thanks,
Huero
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I'm liking all these comments! Definitely some good ideas being tossed around. Since there were so many of you to comment, It'd take me a long time to answer everyone individually so I'll just address some of the main concerns that have been brought up. Firstly, I definitely think the horizontal bars need to be tweaked to flow a bit better with the fairings. As it is currently there is no drilling necessary but we're a bit limited by the mounting points we have available. If we were to drill for one of the mounting points that would open us up to quite a few more design options. With that said, we're not sure where the hole would be yet, that would really depend on what design we came up with. I think it'd be easier to create a design that's easier on the eyes if we were to drill because then we can pretty much make the bar however we want without having to work around the vents and the externally available mounting points. Also, if we were to drill, I'd prefer it to be into the black subfairing part but most of the strong mounting points are slightly higher on the bike behind the colored portion so we have to keep that in mind. Furthermore, when recommending a certain design, keep in mind that the bar must cover the portion of the bike where the lower rearmost portion of the "rectangle" is currently because that's where the bike first comes in contact with the ground in a tip over.
I'm going to go talk with Armando and see if we can apply some of these changes. I'll post more pics when we have something mocked up for you guys! Thanks again for all of the recommendations and support! You guys are part of the reason we ended up with such a great design for the 2010-2012 Connie and hopefully we can get something similar made up for this bike.
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Ryan,
When you post the next pictures can you also post one of the 2012 model to compare it too. The close up picture makes it hard to visualize the overall design. The 2012 bars are right on in my opinion. This would let us flip from one to the other. Thanks
JP
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Ryan,
When you post the next pictures can you also post one of the 2012 model to compare it too. The close up picture makes it hard to visualize the overall design. The 2012 bars are right on in my opinion. This would let us flip from one to the other. Thanks
JP
Sure, I can definitely do that! Unfortunately I think we'll have to go with a different design than we used for the 2010-2012 because of the vast differences in fairing angles and accessible mounting points but I can definitely post both photos so you guys can compare them side to side.
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I am curious what is the clearance for the oil filler cap with any of these designs. Will it still be accessible to take it off, put a funnel, etc. I assume so - but thought I ask anyway.
As for me, I am willing to drill a hole if the lines flow very nice.
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I am curious what is the clearance for the oil filler cap with any of these designs. Will it still be accessible to take it off, put a funnel, etc. I assume so - but thought I ask anyway.
As for me, I am willing to drill a hole if the lines flow very nice.
We definitely keep that in mind when designing and making these parts. It'd be a total pain in the butt if you had to remove the Canyon Cage just to change the oil. The oil cap can definitely be taken off and a funnel used with the Canyon Cage installed though!
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We definitely keep that in mind when designing and making these parts. It'd be a total pain in the butt if you had to remove the Canyon Cage just to change the oil. The oil cap can definitely be taken off and a funnel used with the Canyon Cage installed though!
And it truly can't be any worse that adding oil with the sliders! :(
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Hey guys! We tweaked some of the lines to make them flow with the lines of the bike a bit better. Check out the latest design and let me know what you think! Keep in mind, the lower horizontal part of the rectangle doesn't look perfectly parallel to the top horizontal bar of the rectangle because the top is a straight bar and the bottom bar is bent to curve around the fairings. It looks a tad awkward in the photo but looks better in person.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0295.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0297.jpg)
And here's the 2010-2012 Canyon Cage as requested for side by side comparison:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/CONCOURS1400-410002.jpg)
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Ryan, will you do a mock up of a drilled cage?
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I'm liking all these comments! Definitely some good ideas being tossed around. Since there were so many of you to comment, It'd take me a long time to answer everyone individually so I'll just address some of the main concerns that have been brought up. Firstly, I definitely think the horizontal bars need to be tweaked to flow a bit better with the fairings. As it is currently there is no drilling necessary but we're a bit limited by the mounting points we have available. If we were to drill for one of the mounting points that would open us up to quite a few more design options. With that said, we're not sure where the hole would be yet, that would really depend on what design we came up with. I think it'd be easier to create a design that's easier on the eyes if we were to drill because then we can pretty much make the bar however we want without having to work around the vents and the externally available mounting points. Also, if we were to drill, I'd prefer it to be into the black subfairing part but most of the strong mounting points are slightly higher on the bike behind the colored portion so we have to keep that in mind. Furthermore, when recommending a certain design, keep in mind that the bar must cover the portion of the bike where the lower rearmost portion of the "rectangle" is currently because that's where the bike first comes in contact with the ground in a tip over.
I'm going to go talk with Armando and see if we can apply some of these changes. I'll post more pics when we have something mocked up for you guys! Thanks again for all of the recommendations and support! You guys are part of the reason we ended up with such a great design for the 2010-2012 Connie and hopefully we can get something similar made up for this bike.
Ryan,
You have all done such fantastic work but I for one will not like to drill into the body work due to several reasons.
Other folk will not mind so I will see what comes about.
Jon.
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Ryan,
It's really looking good. Especially considering all the constraints!
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I would prefer not to drill unless the drill design made the current design look HORRIBLE. In my opinion the current design without drilling looks NICE to me. If you are able to show a design with drilling (but simulated) on the demo bike that would help. Good job.
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These look Nice I vote for the no drill if at all possible and would not a a problem installing the current design
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Hey guys! We tweaked some of the lines to make them flow with the lines of the bike a bit better. Check out the latest design and let me know what you think! Keep in mind, the lower horizontal part of the rectangle doesn't look perfectly parallel to the top horizontal bar of the rectangle because the top is a straight bar and the bottom bar is bent to curve around the fairings. It looks a tad awkward in the photo but looks better in person.
Wow! That is really impressive! Lots of bends in that sucker (whole lot more complex than gen2). Matches pretty good indeed. I am actually kind of blown away. I notice you jumped up one vent on the top, which probably makes more sense. My main question is- is there enough support? It looks like the mockup has no lower front support yet, and when you add it from through the bottom vent, it doesn't look like all that bar below it will be strong enough.
Also, could the front go straight further before twisting back for the mount point? It looks like someone had that idea originally, since it is in blue marker on the tape...
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I'm kinda liking it better than the gen 2
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2 options, either shorten the inner vertical or add a middle horizontal to fill the void.
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You do realize that there is an optional slider attached to the fairing on the bike you are using, don't you? If that was removed would you then be able to tuck the structure closer into the fairing or would the tighter spacing not be enough to protect the bike from rolling over? Just curious as I do not have the sliders on my '08 fairing and there doesn't appear to be a need for them anyway once the cage is put in place.
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You do realize that there is an optional slider attached to the fairing on the bike you are using, don't you? If that was removed would you then be able to tuck the structure closer into the fairing or would the tighter spacing not be enough to protect the bike from rolling over? Just curious as I do not have the sliders on my '08 fairing and there doesn't appear to be a need for them anyway once the cage is put in place.
Where is the slider you are referring to? I don't see anything that is out of place.
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I like the length of the inner piece the way it is. As far as the slider, are you talking about the un-taped section of the lower fairing?
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I am very interested in seeing the final product. A third point of contact on the frame would give me a little more confidence in the strength but I really like what I see so far. For $225 (I am sure the group buy will easily surpass the minimum needed) I would love to have decent looking protection that also gives me a spot for highway pegs on loooooong rides.
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Where is the slider you are referring to? I don't see anything that is out of place.
It's the wedge shape black piece running parallel to the floor at the mid-point of the cage. It's either that, or the tape is making it an illusion in the photo.
.................edit- Ok, I thought it kind of looked like the shape of the Top Block sliders, but the more I look at it, the more it's probably the tape making it look that way.
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A third point of contact on the frame would give me a little more confidence in the strength
I think this is just a hold-in-place mockup. I am quite sure it will require a front-lower mounting to be "real". But that is a lot of work for them while just in the "tinkering with the initial design" phase...
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This new design looks pretty good to me. Good balance of looks and functionality. I do not want the design to get too intricate thereby defeating the price point. Now put it in production already ! ;D
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It looks too massive to me. I don't like it.
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It looks too massive to me. I don't like it.
I'm with you. The rectangle is too large. Look at the gen 2, the rectangle is smaller and looks better.
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Well I have no dog in this fight but if that's the final design I guess Top Block will continue to be the best looking option for the Gen 1... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/sdskja.gif) (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/hiding.gif) (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/sniwoue.gif) :)
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Ryan, I will buy it right now. I like it. I think it's a trade off to have bars at all. But, for me, the trade is way worth it.
Great work. Again, I think it looks great and if this is it, I will send you my money now. Just tell me when.
Huero
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(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0297.jpg)
Thoughts: if the bar by the case is straightened out or follows the lines of the body work better, it would help.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee259/bugnut_bucket/ConcClose3.jpg)
Other thought, bring the lower hoop up and line the bar up with the same angle as the top bar near the vents. Although this looks like it might not protect the lower body work as well.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee259/bugnut_bucket/ConcClose2.jpg)
As others mentioned, I'd rather not drill either!!
Otherwise, looking good!
Mike
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Other thought, bring the lower hoop up and line the bar up with the same angle as the top bar near the vents. Although this looks like it might not protect the lower body work as well.
It won't protect at all. It was pretty clear with the testing of the Gen-2 bars, that at least part of the bar must remain as low as he has in the sample setup.
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Since we are offering opinions I like to copy the 2nd gen as much as possible. The first version offered but canted to match the vent lines looks best to me. Curling the top mount forward from the bottom hole and bending down keeps the vertical bar forward for best protection.
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Since we are offering opinions I like to copy the 2nd gen as much as possible. The first version offered but canted to match the vent lines looks best to me. Curling the top mount forward from the bottom hole and bending down keeps the vertical bar forward for best protection.
That's the ticket, as long as it is strong enough (which is still my concern, with the center mount point being so different from the gen-2).
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Even though that looks good, the farther you get away from the mounting points the weaker the bar will get and be able to bend.
JMO
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I bet I have checked this thread 5 times today. Geez, I'm pathetic.
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I'm with you. The rectangle is too large. Look at the gen 2, the rectangle is smaller and looks better.
I agree with you guys, it needs to be smaller!!!
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Let's not take this one out of context, please.
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I agree with you guys, it needs to be smaller!!!
Let's not take this one out of context, please.
Whatever do you mean Jim? ;)
Besides, you'd be surprised at how often I hear that.
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Whatever do you mean Jim? ;)
Besides, you'd be surprised at how often I hear that.
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You guys are picky !! Maybe we should have them hang a fluffy pink ninja while they are at it?! :D
Honestly though, even if the rectangle is bigger than the gen 2, I think it still looks good. We really should consider the functionality while getting as best as we can to the looks. If a smaller rectangle is not possible for the gen 1 bikes, so be it. I personally would not want this design to take eons and cost a kidney.
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I don't like the way it looks at all right now. They took the one thing I liked the least on the other one, and made it bigger on this one.
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I personally would not want this design to take eons and cost a kidney.
I'll give you my liver.... I'm almost done with it. (http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/emoticons/gulp.gif)
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That's the spirits!
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Hey guys! I apologize for my absence the last few days, I came down with something wicked and had to call out of work. I was really feeling lousy! :'(
Anyhow, Armando and the crew working on this bike have made some other very minor changes. I'll snap some pictures shortly and upload them for you guys. I may be a bit biased but I think the bar actually looks pretty damn good on the bike as it is. Yes, the rectangle is slightly larger but it doesn't seem awkwardly large when viewed in person or anything. I'll be sure to get some "full bike" photos while standing back a bit to help put things in perspective. It seems like the biggest issue is the size of the rectangle, though. Unfortunately we're really limited with how we can shape that rectangle due to the available mounting points. As one of you guys stated, the farther away from the mounting points you get, the weaker the bar becomes. So you have to remember to keep mounting point proximity in mind.
It's a bit hard to see but as it is, there are currently three mounting points on either side. One is where the bar goes into the fairing vent at the top of the guard, then there's the obvious rear mount, and the last mount actually comes off the top of the rectangle and goes in the lowest fairing vent. This is partially whats limiting us from changing the shape of that rectangle. The rectangle must extend that high so we can use it to secure that mounting point in the lowest vent and it must extend that low because it won't protect the bike properly if it didn't. I'll get some newer photos taken though and see what you guys think. We tinkered with the shape of the guard a tad and I think it really goes with the bike well. Stay tuned for pictures!
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Ryan, are you only going to look at a no-drill option? Even if it would allow different (better?) design/strength parameters?
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I'll give you my liver.... It's almost done with me. (http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/emoticons/gulp.gif)
FIFY
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Ryan, are you only going to look at a no-drill option? Even if it would allow different (better?) design/strength parameters?
We were initially considering many designs, including some that would have required drilling. However, we're pretty happy with the basic design we've got now and believe it only needs minor tweaking until it'll be ready to go. We wanted to avoid drilling if possible because of the amount of people that stated they would rather not drill unless it was absolutely necessary. We were considering using a design that would have required drilling but only if it boosted strength and aesthetics enough to make it worth it. We believe the current design is strong enough to protect the bike the way it should and also looks pretty good. We're just working on making some final tweaks.
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I'm glad to hear that Ryan!
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Alrighty, I got some updated photos for you guys. A lot of you were saying the rectangle portion looked a bit big so we minimized it as much as possible. I've previously stated that we're a bit limited on how we can shape the rectangle due to the available mounting points but we did what we could with what we got! Let me know if you guys think this design is a step in the right direction or if you have any other comments or opinions, please share!
Taken from a step or two back:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0308.jpg)
Closer:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0310.jpg)
View from above showing the "hidden" mounting point:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0312.jpg)
Here's a cool shot I took with part of the fairing removed so you guys could actually see the mounting/bracket work:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0305.jpg)
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I'll take that set right there, as they are!!! Need I say anymore? And a small set for the rear, in the raw :)
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Much better Ryan!
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That 'hidden' mount point is really slick! I was a bit worried about the mount points being a bit too co-linear for good deflection strength on the lowest part of the rectangle, but seeing the 'behind the curtain' shot with the fairing out of the way makes me feel a lot better about it. It also looks like there should be a couple of good options for places to mount highway pegs. Strong work gentlemen!
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You folks certainly know Your tubing work. Nice job.
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Great! This looks good, looks like it would provide great protection, and as Galexieman points out, could work nicely with some additional pegs for us giraffes.
Me likey! ;D
Mike
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Is there a reason the bottom horizontal bar needs to be so low? Raising it to follow the lines would make it look better and stronger it would seem. Looks better and I like the three mounts. Glad you're back with the living.
JP
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Is there a reason the bottom horizontal bar needs to be so low? Raising it to follow the lines would make it look better and stronger it would seem. Looks better and I like the three mounts. Glad you're back with the living.
JP
Does appear it could raise up a bit, if you use the bottom of the Gen 2 cage as a reference. Unless there's something throwing the photo off.
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Thank you guys for your kind words! Regarding some of the points that you guys brought up: There is definitely room to mount highway pegs, it's just a matter of where on the bar you want them. The only concern is that we went with 7/8" tubing on this set to match the rear guards we've been making for this bike for years so you'll need to find 7/8" clamps (I believe RivCo sells them). Regarding the placement of the lower horizontal bar, it does need to be that low on the bike in order to protect it properly. I think the bar would look better if we could raise that lower bar a bit but unfortunately we've raised it as far as we can. If we were to raise that lower horizontal bar even 1/4" more, the lower subfairing would actually hit the ground before the bar would during a tip over which isn't acceptable.
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Tip over pics? Cage only and cage w/small rears?
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I am very impressed. From the other pictures I couldn't even see the third mounting point (lower one on the vent) but that looks like the best option for good protection without looking like bathroom bars and being able to add highway pegs.
If When the group buy reaches the proper number for the 25% discount will that include black powdercoat or is it the raw bars?
[running to dig through the couch for loose change!]
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Wow, that looks a lot better than the first mock-up. Now all you need to do is get them painted so I can see exactly how they look on my bike. :)
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Tip over pics? Cage only and cage w/small rears?
Next time we lay the bike over I'll get some tip-over pics for you. As it is though, the Cage and the rear guards touch down right at the same time which will help distribute the force of a hit. However, I'm pretty sure the saddle bags would take a slight hit if you were to install just the Canyon Cage without the rear set of guards. I'll try and get some photos of the bike tipped over with just the Canyon Cage on it, though.
I am very impressed. From the other pictures I couldn't even see the third mounting point (lower one on the vent) but that looks like the best option for good protection without looking like bathroom bars and being able to add highway pegs. If When the group buy reaches the proper number for the 25% discount will that include black powdercoat or is it the raw bars?
[running to dig through the couch for loose change!]
Thanks! The listed price is for finished bars in either chrome plate or black powder coat. However, the price is the same for those of you looking for raw bars.
Wow, that looks a lot better than the first mock-up. Now all you need to do is get them painted so I can see exactly how they look on my bike. :)
That'll be coming once we get the design finalized! We'll send this set out to our finishers and have them make it all pretty. Once we receive the bar back I'll be sure to get some photos posted of the finished product! It should look really good once it's done!
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I am impressed, Ryan! I didn't even know there was a mounting plate behind the fairing... that changes my thinking a lot (is there one on the gen2 bars also?). I do like the design, And the more angular parallelogram works better with the gen 1 fairing. However I would like to have seen the front vertical bar go up the bike much further before turning to go into the top vent. There is even already writing on your green tape showing what I mean. You didn't address that concern in the previous postings. There might be some perfectly valid reason you can't do it/try it, but I would love to know what it is :)
Of course, I have a gen2 Concours 1400, but I am looking out for all my gen1 friends on this forum, who need bars that look just as good!
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Alrighty, I got some updated photos for you guys. A lot of you were saying the rectangle portion looked a bit big so we minimized it as much as possible. I've previously stated that we're a bit limited on how we can shape the rectangle due to the available mounting points but we did what we could with what we got! Let me know if you guys think this design is a step in the right direction or if you have any other comments or opinions, please share!
Taken from a step or two back:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0308.jpg)
Closer:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0310.jpg)
View from above showing the "hidden" mounting point:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0312.jpg)
Here's a cool shot I took with part of the fairing removed so you guys could actually see the mounting/bracket work:
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0305.jpg)
Ryan,
That is some fine work you guys have accomplished :thumbs: Please put me down for a black powder coated set as soon as you are able ;D
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Ryan... Sign me up for a set in black... To match my rear guards...
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Im in........... :)
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The third mounting point makes the rectangle make sense. Can we see a pic from direct front and rear to see how far they stick out? Are they tucked in as far as is safe?
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Wow, I think they look great!
Great job,
Huero
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Haven't been able to get online due to terrible WIFI while on vacation. All can say is that the look great. I love the shape of them. Has an aggressive look about them.
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Alrighty, I got some updated photos for you guys. A lot of you were saying the rectangle portion looked a bit big so we minimized it as much as possible. I've previously stated that we're a bit limited on how we can shape the rectangle due to the available mounting points but we did what we could with what we got! Let me know if you guys think this design is a step in the right direction or if you have any other comments or opinions, please share!
:thumbs:
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I am impressed, Ryan! I didn't even know there was a mounting plate behind the fairing... that changes my thinking a lot (is there one on the gen2 bars also?). I do like the design, And the more angular parallelogram works better with the gen 1 fairing. However I would like to have seen the front vertical bar go up the bike much further before turning to go into the top vent. There is even already writing on your green tape showing what I mean. You didn't address that concern in the previous postings. There might be some perfectly valid reason you can't do it/try it, but I would love to know what it is :)
Of course, I have a gen2 Concours 1400, but I am looking out for all my gen1 friends on this forum, who need bars that look just as good!
You're the man, maxtog! We seriously appreciate all of your input throughout both builds, you've been a tremendous help! Anyhow, the reason we didn't extend the front vertical bar further up the bike before turning it in the higher vent is strength. Extending the bar in that fashion would put it farther away from the mounting points which, as you know, would make it weaker. Also, I think extending the bar in this fashion would make it look a tad goofy because the rectangle portion has to be so low on the bike. I think it'd be funky to have the rectangle that low with a single bar extending that high up.
Ryan,
That is some fine work you guys have accomplished :thumbs: Please put me down for a black powder coated set as soon as you are able ;D
We'll most likely be making a new Group Buy thread for the Generation 1 bikes once the Canyon Cages are ready to go into production so keep an eye out for that. Once we start that thread and begin taking orders, I'll be sure to get you on the list!
The third mounting point makes the rectangle make sense. Can we see a pic from direct front and rear to see how far they stick out? Are they tucked in as far as is safe?
They're definitely tucked as far in as is safe, just like the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 Connie. We wanted these guards to be as close to the body of the bike as possible to allow for extreme lean angles and to eliminate worry when lining through traffic. Below are a few photos to show you just how close they are!
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0317.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0316.jpg)
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They tuck in very nice. It appears the mirrors are still the widest point on the bike.
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OK Ryan... Where's my UPS waybill number and when are mine gonna get here? So they're gonna be black and ???
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They tuck in very nice. It appears the mirrors are still the widest point on the bike.
Not if you fold the mirrors back ;D ;D
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Not if you fold the mirrors back ;D ;D
I disagree. If you look at the front picture the right side mirror is folded back and it looks like that is still wider than the cage.
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I disagree. If you look at the front picture the right side mirror is folded back and it looks like that is still wider than the cage.
It's the saddlebags that make it's ass look fat! :rotflmao: Having had the pleasure (and pucker factor) of splitting lanes in L.A. I found that the saddlebags that made it challenging. The mirrors weren't a problem.
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I keep looking for "buy it now" button. I am in.
Huero
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It's the saddlebags that make it's ass look fat! :rotflmao: Having had the pleasure (and pucker factor) of splitting lanes in L.A. I found that the saddlebags that made it challenging. The mirrors weren't a problem.
If the mirrors fit, the bags will too. It's just like a cat's whiskers.
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I disagree. If you look at the front picture the right side mirror is folded back and it looks like that is still wider than the cage.
Jonathan you are indeed correct, you eagle eyed person you ;D ;D I didn't see the mirror turned back. In fact I was thinking about my C14 and why I cannot get out of the garage with the SUV parked inside. Shows that I must be getting old ;D ;D
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Curious if any further updates on this.
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Curious if any further updates on this.
The prototype is actually completed and we're waiting to pick it up from our powder coaters right now. I'll be taking some pictures as soon as we get it back and I'll be sure to upload them later on this afternoon for you guys so you can check out the final, finished product.
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The prototype is actually completed and we're waiting to pick it up from our powder coaters right now. I'll be taking some pictures as soon as we get it back and I'll be sure to upload them later on this afternoon for you guys so you can check out the final, finished product.
You gonna lay the bike down Ryan?
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I can't wait.
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You gonna lay the bike down Ryan?
I sure hope so, from the pics I've seen they are more function than looks... :doublepuke:
Sorry Ryan, just my opinion on the looks of these 1st gen ones, I guess I was expecting more after the 2nd gen design you did, I am still impressed with how you guys do business, at least on this forum. :thumbs: :chugbeer:
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I sure hope so, from the pics I've seen they are more function than looks... :doublepuke:
Sorry Ryan, just my opinion on the looks of these 1st gen ones, I guess I was expecting more after the 2nd gen design you did, I am still impressed with how you guys do business, at least on this forum. :thumbs: :chugbeer:
Well, you do like slow black bikes, therefore, your opinion is baseless ;) ;D :chugbeer:
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Well, you do like slow black bikes, therefore, your opinion is baseless ;) ;D :chugbeer:
Sorry Chet, I'm only comparing them to the Top Block, which I know first hand work and actually look good... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/hiding.gif)
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Sorry Chet, I'm only comparing them to the Top Block, which I know first hand work and actually look good... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/hiding.gif)
Beauty is in the eye of the BEERholder ;) :chugbeer: :chugbeer: :rotflmao:
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Beauty is in the eye of the BEERholder ;) :chugbeer: :chugbeer: :rotflmao:
;D ;D ;D True! :goodpost:
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Beauty is in the eye of the BEERholder ;) :chugbeer: :chugbeer: :rotflmao:
Trudat!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7yydNuJ2P8Y/TdyBGdOgp-I/AAAAAAAAATI/Ri1Cpq7r30w/s1600/Barmaid_beer_1110644c.jpg)
(http://epicwinftw.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/63fba68f-587b-4fac-b0ef-67907d1d723a.jpg)
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HOLY CRAP!!! That's a LOT of beers... Hey Lady, watch out for that banana peel... Oops, a little more to the left woulda done it!! ;D
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Morning guys! Welp, we finally received the bars back from our powder coaters and I personally think they look pretty damn good! I think I favor the 2010-2012 Canyon Cage slightly but this is also a great looking, sturdy application that doesn't require any cutting or drilling which is very nice. Below are some photos of the finished product!
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/Concours08-091400-400007.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/DSC00001.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/Concours08-091400-400004.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/Concours08-091400-400002.jpg)
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That looks pretty darn nice!
What about laying that baby down for some pics?
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That looks pretty darn nice!
What about laying that baby down for some pics?
We did lay the bike down a few different times and I thought I had uploaded pics but I guess not. ??? I'll dig through my files and find the pics of the bike laid over for you.
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Throw some small rears on it for the laydown pics.
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We did lay the bike down a few different times and I thought I had uploaded pics but I guess not. ??? I'll dig through my files and find the pics of the bike laid over for you.
And one from the front and rear?
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And one from the front and rear?
See post #138 of this thread for a couple frontal shots, none laying down though.
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NICE ;)
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Sorry Chet, I'm only comparing them to the Top Block, which I know first hand work
Tipover/crash bars are not black-and-white "work" or "don't work" accessories. Based on the design of both in question, I can think of many situations where the Canyon Cage is very likely to offer more (or MUCH more) protection than the Top Blocks. And many where the hideous "bathroom bars" offer more (or MUCH more) than the Canyons.
No matter how much effort goes into the design, there are always going to be compromises between form and function. For example: flip flops "work", don't they? But so do tennis shoes, wing tips, and heavy boots. They all offer different levels of foot "protection", but also different levels of comfort, ventilation, and style. I wouldn't want to wear any of those but boots when riding, or anything but wingtips to a wedding, or anything but flip flops to the beach. Some footwear can meet multiple needs reasonably but excel at only some situations.
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I think I'm a likin' em.
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It takes a lot to get Me to divert money from the firearm fund. This may do just that.
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Better than bathroom bars, but I am uninspired. I saw more interaction with the first set, and not so much here. To each their own though......
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Better than bathroom bars, but I am uninspired. I saw more interaction with the first set, and not so much here. To each their own though......
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I agree with the cheesehead, the 2nd gen bars had multiple tweeks based on member feedback, not so much on the 1st gen set, it looks like you tried to morph the 2nd gen look to fit the 1st gen, which in my opinion was the wrong direction given the 1st gen body lines... :-\
They might protect (but we haven't seen the pics of one layed over) but I do think you missed the mark for those of us that actually care about how they make the bike look... :(
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I agree with the cheesehead, the 2nd gen bars had multiple tweeks based on member feedback, not so much on the 1st gen set, it looks like you tried to morph the 2nd gen look to fit the 1st gen, which in my opinion was the wrong direction given the 1st gen body lines... :-\
They might protect (but we haven't seen the pics of one layed over) but I do think you missed the mark for those of us that actually care about how they make the bike look... :(
Jay, some good points although Ryan was asked to provide a set of bars that required "no drilling" thus the finished product. The 2nd Gen bikes have more latitude for "anchor" points compared with the 1st Gen bikes.
Life is a trade off between form and function ;D ;D
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Jay, some good points although Ryan was asked to provide a set of bars that required "no drilling" thus the finished product. The 2nd Gen bikes have more latitude for "anchor" points compared with the 1st Gen bikes.
Life is a trade off between form and function ;D ;D
Well I have no horse in this race, but I do know good looks from bad, but maybe I'm speaking for others out of turn... :-\
I never saw a poll that said would you like something that looked better if you had to drill a hole (like on the Top Block) vs a design that required no drilling... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif)
I've heard alot of possitive feedback from others on here that love the 1st gen Top Block but just didn't like the cost and that they were in France, I thought this would be an awesome opportunity for Ryan to take advantage of that market and I even tried to point him in that direction for the sake of the members on here, but I guess not... :(
No worries, all good for folks that buy em, but I think sales on the 1st gen set's could have been much higher with a better looking product...
:chugbeer: :grouphug:
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As a note, I set the poll to allow for a change in vote. I for one am still in for a set, although I may skip the rear bars, my main concern is the front end, most of what I will be wanting them for doesn't involve the bags.
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Well I have no horse in this race, but I do know good looks from bad, but maybe I'm speaking for others out of turn... :-\
I never saw a poll that said would you like something that looked better if you had to drill a hole (like on the Top Block) vs a design that required no drilling...
No worries, all good for folks that buy em, but I think sales on the 1st gen set's could have been much higher with a better looking product...
ZG, right on. It seems they got stuck on the no drill option without even a look at the other possibilities. I for one would have liked to see other possible designs. I see a lack of development effort here that wasn't apparent on the gen 2 thread. Disappointed but I can't run another man's business for him.
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I'm not quite getting it. Someone who doesn't own a Gen 1 is disliking the the bars that were made for it while others who do own the gen 1 bikes do like them. If you don't like them then don't buy them. If you own a gen 2 then what does it matter whether you like them or not. Give Ryan a break here. He came up with a viable option for the gen 1 bikes that I personally think looks better than a block of rubber coated steel attached to the side of my fairing. I'm still in.
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Well I have no horse in this race, but I do know good looks from bad, but maybe I'm speaking for others out of turn... :-\
I never saw a poll that said would you like something that looked better if you had to drill a hole (like on the Top Block) vs a design that required no drilling... (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/smiley_dunno.gif)
I've heard alot of possitive feedback from others on here that love the 1st gen Top Block but just didn't like the cost and that they were in France, I thought this would be an awesome opportunity for Ryan to take advantage of that market and I even tried to point him in that direction for the sake of the members on here, but I guess not... :(
No worries, all good for folks that buy em, but I think sales on the 1st gen set's could have been much higher with a better looking product...
:chugbeer: :grouphug:
Jay, there was only the original poll that was asking for peoples interest in these bars. You did comment to Ryan in the Gen 2 thread about the Top Block design, so it seemed to me that those who own the 2nd Gen bikes didn't want to take on that design as witnessed by the amount of responses on the thread that went with the final design.
Having the no drill option for the crash bars is easier for maintenance without having to remove more items, such as the crash bars, to get to serviceable items. It is quite possible that the form factor on the 1st Gen bikes may have put people off purchasing them but again this is a trade off between bling and function.
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(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/DSC00001.jpg)(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/CONCOURS1400-410002.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/Concours08-091400-400002.jpg)(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/CONCOURS1400-410001.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/Concours08-091400-400004.jpg)(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/CONCOURS1400-410004.jpg)
It must be the black that makes 'em look better :chugbeer:
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Maybe I'm the only one but I really like the look of the gen1 bars.....maybe even better than the gen2 bars I have coming for my 2011.
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Maybe I'm the only one but I really like the look of the gen1 bars.....maybe even better than the gen2 bars I have coming for my 2011.
Yup! I like the extra bend at the top, adds a touch of class IMO. I am a function over form kinda guy, but even at that I could not wrap my mind around the BR bars. I don't think these are better looking, but IMO they look just as good. I'd be willing to bet there was a conversation alongs these lines "Ryan, these are what we're selling, no more changes" Ryan's reply was a sheepish, "Yes boss".
Ryan, ya did one heck of a job and the MC crew has performed beyond my, and I would wager, most, expectations. Outstanding product :)
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I'm not quite getting it. Someone who doesn't own a Gen 1 is disliking the the bars that were made for it while others who do own the gen 1 bikes do like them. If you don't like them then don't buy them. If you own a gen 2 then what does it matter whether you like them or not. Give Ryan a break here. He came up with a viable option for the gen 1 bikes that I personally think looks better than a block of rubber coated steel attached to the side of my fairing. I'm still in.
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Not sure if this was directed at me MJ, but I do own a Gen 1...
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Me still likey... And there were quite a few of us that were adverse to drilling holes in the fairing... Chomping at the bit... Wanting to order a set.
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SOP wrote:
I am a function over form kinda guy, but even at that I could not wrap my mind around the BR bars. I don't think these are better looking, but IMO they look just as good. I'd be willing to bet there was a conversation alongs these lines "Ryan, these are what we're selling, no more changes" Ryan's reply was a sheepish, "Yes boss".
Ryan, ya did one heck of a job and the MC crew has performed beyond my, and I would wager, most, expectations.
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The bars are growing on me but in the idea of strength, why use a smaller bar? I agree that it appears the gen1 were rushed more than the others. That is not to their advantage since the input of the users adds to the final product which equals the best advertizing possible...satisfied customers. The main reason I want these bars is for highway pegs as many have wanted and the choices for those are limited that look good.
Ryan, if you do this in the future, labeling the bars A,B,C would make changes easier to understand for all concerned and speed the process. Thanks JP
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Maybe I'm the only one but I really like the look of the gen1 bars.....maybe even better than the gen2 bars I have coming for my 2011.
I agree, I like these bars a bit better than the bars for the gen2. Great job.
Ryan, when can we order?
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While I like the Top Blocks, I do not like them 500.00 more than these Gen 1 bars. There are differences in the two Gen designs but after having them on the bike for a few weeks I will never notice them anyway. Look forward to a great group buy.
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Not sure if this was directed at me MJ, but I do own a Gen 1...
No it wasn't directed at you. I wrote that right after I woke up and after re-reading it, I can see where it comes off quite harsh. My apologies for that.
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Maybe I'm the only one but I really like the look of the gen1 bars.....maybe even better than the gen2 bars I have coming for my 2011.
You are not alone. I like the gen1 bars too. I don't think I like them worse or better than the gen2, they are just different. I also agree that it seemed important to have a no-drill product, and that did greatly narrow down some of the design options because the gen1 bikes have vents that are so far back.
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My .02
Top blocks= sexy and functional
gen 1 bars= good looking and I can add Lights, horns, PA system, strobes, espresso machine... etc
Bars win ;) ;)
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I like bars.
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I like bars.
+1
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I like bars.
I wrestled one once.
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I wrestled one once.
jamiemaccrockett?
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jamiemaccrockett?
;D
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Soooo??? when do I send Ryan my Money???
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When he pushes the button and gives the details on pricing, length of buy, etc... So far, not yet.
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Hey everyone! Wow, it sure seems like there are quite a few unsatisfied people. :-[ Since there were quite a few of you that voiced concerns, I'll reply to all of you in a general sense but I sure hope you guys can see things from our point of view. Firstly, the group buy will be beginning sometime this week when we get the pricing and timeline all figured out. I'll probably make a new thread that will hopefully be stickied for the Generation 1 Group Buy so look for that sometime this week.
Anyhow, regarding the dissatisfaction: There absolutely was less "customer interaction" when building these bars for a very simple reason; Time. The gentleman whose bike we used, uses his Connie as a daily commuter vehicle. At first we were only supposed to have it for a single week but he was kind enough to allow us a few extra days. That alone was enough to limit the amount of "customer modifications" we could toy around with. You guys have to keep in mind that we had the later generation Connie in our facility for nearly a month. We had the earlier generation Connie for less than half the time which is obviously going to limit how many iterations of a bar we can test. Also, there was a bit less interaction because I was out with the flu for a few of those days unfortunately.
Regarding the design, we felt that the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 Connie was so popular that our best route would be to modify the bar to fit on the 2008-2009 Connie. Of course the fairings and lines of the bike are drastically different but that was taken into account and the lines of the bar itself were changed quite a bit. I honestly believe the Canyon Cage for the earlier generation bike is cooler looking in person than the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012. It's far more aggressive looking to me although both bars go with each bike really well, I believe. Also, the reason we went with a smaller diameter bar was to match with the rear guards that we've already been making for the earlier generation Connie for years now. So, those of you who buy the Canyon Cage that already have the saddlebag guards or want the saddlebag guards, you'll be able to get a set that matches! This does not take away from the strength of the bar though as the wall thickness for both sets is the same. It's merely the overall diameter that's different by 1/8".
Now, for the option of drilling, we were again limited by time and the fact that we didn't have a spare fairing for a 2008-2009 Connie that we could drill into to actually make the prototype. I'm sure some of you are thinking: "Well, why not just mock up where the hole WOULD be and not actually drill into the guys fairing?" If we were to do that, there'd be no way to actually test the bar which we really weren't comfortable with. Also, when doing it that way, there'd be no way to verify that the bar fit properly without actually drilling through the fairing and mounting the part completely. Perhaps if we had more time, this would be an option we could explore but it seemed as though the majority did not want to deal with drilling anyway.
Based on the very positive reaction we had from the gentleman whose bike we borrowed, we feel confident that most of you will be pleased with the bars. The guy even went as far as to tell us he thought the bike looked better with the bars on there than without! I do wish that we had the bike for a longer period of time so we could have explored a few more options but I truly think we did very well given the time constraint.
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Ryan, I myself am ready to buy once these are available.
I sure would like to see a pic of a Gen 1 bike laid down with the Canyon Cage and the rear bars installed!
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Ryan, Thanks for explaining the circumstances. The bars are growing on me. It would have been good to tweak them like the gen 2 but overall a win. So now let's get em shipped in you SPARE time. ;D JP
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Ryan, I think they look great. I am ready to order as soon you are. Thank you for a job well done.
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You guys are all welcome and thank you for the kind words! I'll definitely post some pictures of the bike laid over for you once I get a minute to locate, resize, and post them! I apologize for the delay in getting these photos up because I know a few of you are eager to see them, I've just been super busy so far this morning. However, it is Monday after all. ;)
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Hey everyone! Wow, it sure seems like there are quite a few unsatisfied people. :-[ Since there were quite a few of you that voiced concerns, I'll reply to all of you in a general sense but I sure hope you guys can see things from our point of view. Firstly, the group buy will be beginning sometime this week when we get the pricing and timeline all figured out. I'll probably make a new thread that will hopefully be stickied for the Generation 1 Group Buy so look for that sometime this week.
Anyhow, regarding the dissatisfaction: There absolutely was less "customer interaction" when building these bars for a very simple reason; Time. The gentleman whose bike we used, uses his Connie as a daily commuter vehicle. At first we were only supposed to have it for a single week but he was kind enough to allow us a few extra days. That alone was enough to limit the amount of "customer modifications" we could toy around with. You guys have to keep in mind that we had the later generation Connie in our facility for nearly a month. We had the earlier generation Connie for less than half the time which is obviously going to limit how many iterations of a bar we can test. Also, there was a bit less interaction because I was out with the flu for a few of those days unfortunately.
Regarding the design, we felt that the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 Connie was so popular that our best route would be to modify the bar to fit on the 2008-2009 Connie. Of course the fairings and lines of the bike are drastically different but that was taken into account and the lines of the bar itself were changed quite a bit. I honestly believe the Canyon Cage for the earlier generation bike is cooler looking in person than the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012. It's far more aggressive looking to me although both bars go with each bike really well, I believe. Also, the reason we went with a smaller diameter bar was to match with the rear guards that we've already been making for the earlier generation Connie for years now. So, those of you who buy the Canyon Cage that already have the saddlebag guards or want the saddlebag guards, you'll be able to get a set that matches! This does not take away from the strength of the bar though as the wall thickness for both sets is the same. It's merely the overall diameter that's different by 1/8".
Now, for the option of drilling, we were again limited by time and the fact that we didn't have a spare fairing for a 2008-2009 Connie that we could drill into to actually make the prototype. I'm sure some of you are thinking: "Well, why not just mock up where the hole WOULD be and not actually drill into the guys fairing?" If we were to do that, there'd be no way to actually test the bar which we really weren't comfortable with. Also, when doing it that way, there'd be no way to verify that the bar fit properly without actually drilling through the fairing and mounting the part completely. Perhaps if we had more time, this would be an option we could explore but it seemed as though the majority did not want to deal with drilling anyway.
Based on the very positive reaction we had from the gentleman whose bike we borrowed, we feel confident that most of you will be pleased with the bars. The guy even went as far as to tell us he thought the bike looked better with the bars on there than without! I do wish that we had the bike for a longer period of time so we could have explored a few more options but I truly think we did very well given the time constraint.
Ryan,
Great job considering the time constraint ;D
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Alrighty guys, here are just a few photos of the bike laid over on its side. A few of the other ones I was planning on uploading came out a bit dark (another downside of only having the bike for a short period of time; not enough time for pictures!). The first photo shows the Canyon Cage hitting the ground and protecting the peg/brake lever.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/concoursgen1layingonrtside3.jpg)
The second photo shows the Canyon Cage along with the rear guards on the bike. Unfortunately the guy whose bike we borrowed rarely ever rides with saddle bags on but based on measurements and previous experience, we already know the rear guards protect the saddle bags well. However, you'll probably notice that even though the Canyon Cage is touching, the rear guards are off the ground by about 1/4". Based on our testing we found that this discrepancy will not make a difference when the bike is actually dropped due to the flexing of the bike when it hits the ground. I only mention this because the Canyon Cage for our 2010-2012 Connie hits the ground at precisely the same time as the rear guards. I just wanted to make it clear that this small difference doesn't change the level of protection offered by the Canyon Cage for the 2008-2009 Connie.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/concoursgen1layingonrtside5.jpg)
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Excellent! Thanks for the pictures!
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Was there an approximate price range for these so I can get....ahem....the finance approved (read as go buy a necklace, ring or earing) in time?
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Was there an approximate price range for these so I can get....ahem....the finance approved (read as go buy a necklace, ring or earing) in time?
You guys will be pleasantly surprised that the Canyon Cages for the 2008-2009 are actually $25 cheaper than the ones for the 2010-2012 coming in at an MSRP of $275. We'll be doing a group buy for these over the next few weeks, though, and hopefully you guys will hit the mark for 25% off. I'm not quite sure how many sets will need to be sold to get the 25% off but that's something I'll get figured out within the next day or so. Chances are it'll be on par with the 2010-2012 Group Buy, though.
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So Ryan... Where's my UPS number??? My rear bag guards are screaming for some company... I'll take mine in black...
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So Ryan... Where's my UPS number??? My rear bag guards are screaming for some company... I'll take mine in black...
Hey - wait a minute.... we gen2 owners still don't even have a UPS number.... wait your turn!
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Ryan, Great job on the Gen1 bars, I am in the group that thinks they look better than the Gen2 bars. I have never seen any motorcycle product developed with as much input and concern for the needs of actual owners as you have done with both designs. As they used to say, "some people would complain if they worked in a ice cream factory"!. Thanks for your efforts. Jim
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The first photo shows the Canyon Cage hitting the ground and protecting the peg/brake lever.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/concoursgen1layingonrtside3.jpg)
What is touching the ground on the front part? Is that the cage? Looks like a round black thing of some sort, I'm not talking about the rear point of the cage in this pic, I'm talking about that front/middle part? ??? :-\
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Ryan, Great job on the Gen1 bars, I am in the group that thinks they look better than the Gen2 bars. I have never seen any motorcycle product developed with as much input and concern for the needs of actual owners as you have done with both designs. As they used to say, "some people would complain if they worked in a ice cream factory"!. Thanks for your efforts. Jim
I hate ice cream.
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What is touching the ground on the front part? Is that the cage? Looks like a round black thing of some sort, I'm not talking about the rear point of the cage in this pic, I'm talking about that front/middle part? ??? :-\
I don't see it in the second pic.
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What is touching the ground on the front part? Is that the cage? Looks like a round black thing of some sort, I'm not talking about the rear point of the cage in this pic, I'm talking about that front/middle part? ??? :-\
I think it is the fork light that was added.
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I think it is the fork light that was added.
You are correct sir
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0316.jpg)
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Looks great!!!!!
I am ready. Cant wait.
Huero
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I think it is the fork light that was added.
I think it is the fork light that was added.
You are correct sir
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g43/rnvanquish/IMG_0316.jpg)
Ahhh, got it, thanks! That makes alot more sense! :hail: :thumbs:
Sorry for the distraction, carry on... :)
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I hate ice cream.
:o
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:o
I kick crutches too.
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I kick crutches too.
You ain't right boy!
Lactose intolerant?
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I like puppies!
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I like puppies!
In BBQ sauce or soy?
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In BBQ sauce or soy?
Teriyaki is the only way to go with puppies...
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Teriyaki is the only way to go with puppies...
That ain't right.
But, it's funny!
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Teriyaki is the only way to go with puppies...
Spent some time in Korea?
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That ain't right.
But, it's funny!
Hahahahaha thanks, Huero!
Spent some time in Korea?
Naw. I have done some traveling abroad but never been to Korea. I'm just a fan of teriyaki!
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Sooo....are you going to have an open house and invite us all over for a puppyQ?
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"dog is a fine meal"