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What is the chance you will order a set of Canyon Cages for your Gen 1 C14?

Yes, %100
31 (37.8%)
Probably, %75
19 (23.2%)
Depends on SWMBO %50
12 (14.6%)
Not sure %25
18 (22%)
It's a safety device, why wouldnt I?  %100000000 chance, why can't I pay now?
2 (2.4%)

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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #180 on: June 15, 2012, 11:47:54 AM »
Me still likey... And there were quite a few of us that were adverse to drilling holes in the fairing... Chomping at the bit... Wanting to order a set.
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #181 on: June 15, 2012, 11:59:17 AM »
SOP wrote:
 I am a function over form kinda guy, but even at that I could not wrap my mind around the BR bars.  I don't think these are better looking, but IMO they look just as good.  I'd be willing to bet there was a conversation alongs these lines "Ryan, these are what we're selling, no more changes"  Ryan's reply was a sheepish, "Yes boss".
Ryan, ya did one heck of a job and the MC crew has performed beyond my, and I would wager, most, expectations. 
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The bars are growing on me but in the idea of strength, why use a smaller bar? I agree that it appears the gen1 were rushed more than the others. That is not to their advantage since the input of the users adds to the final product which equals the best advertizing possible...satisfied customers. The main reason I want these bars is for highway pegs as many have wanted and the choices for those are limited that look good.

Ryan, if you do this in the future, labeling the bars A,B,C would make changes easier to understand for all concerned and speed the process.  Thanks  JP
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #182 on: June 15, 2012, 12:42:28 PM »
Maybe I'm the only one but I really like the look of the gen1 bars.....maybe even better than the gen2 bars I have coming for my 2011.

I agree, I like these bars a bit better than the bars for the gen2. Great job. 

Ryan, when can we order?

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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #183 on: June 15, 2012, 01:27:54 PM »
While I like the Top Blocks, I do not like them 500.00 more than these Gen 1 bars. There are differences in the two Gen designs but after having them on the bike for a few weeks I will never notice them anyway.  Look forward to a great group buy.

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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #184 on: June 15, 2012, 02:58:51 PM »

 ???
 
Not sure if this was directed at me MJ, but I do own a Gen 1...

No it wasn't directed at you. I wrote that right after I woke up and after re-reading it, I can see where it comes off quite harsh. My apologies for that.

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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #185 on: June 15, 2012, 03:12:09 PM »
Maybe I'm the only one but I really like the look of the gen1 bars.....maybe even better than the gen2 bars I have coming for my 2011.

You are not alone.  I like the gen1 bars too.  I don't think I like them worse or better than the gen2, they are just different.  I also agree that it seemed important to have a no-drill product, and that did greatly narrow down some of the design options because the gen1 bikes have vents that are so far back.
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #186 on: June 15, 2012, 03:46:16 PM »
My .02

Top blocks= sexy and functional

gen 1 bars= good looking and I can add Lights, horns, PA system, strobes, espresso machine... etc

Bars win  ;) ;)
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #187 on: June 16, 2012, 12:23:23 PM »
I like bars.
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #188 on: June 17, 2012, 06:35:01 AM »
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #189 on: June 17, 2012, 10:21:30 AM »
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #190 on: June 17, 2012, 10:55:53 AM »
I wrestled one once.
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #191 on: June 17, 2012, 11:35:59 AM »
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #192 on: June 17, 2012, 05:59:57 PM »
Soooo??? when do I send Ryan my Money???
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #193 on: June 18, 2012, 04:03:35 AM »
When he pushes the button and gives the details on pricing, length of buy, etc...  So far, not yet.
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #194 on: June 18, 2012, 11:11:38 AM »
Hey everyone! Wow, it sure seems like there are quite a few unsatisfied people.  :-[ Since there were quite a few of you that voiced concerns, I'll reply to all of you in a general sense but I sure hope you guys can see things from our point of view. Firstly, the group buy will be beginning sometime this week when we get the pricing and timeline all figured out. I'll probably make a new thread that will hopefully be stickied for the Generation 1 Group Buy so look for that sometime this week.

Anyhow, regarding the dissatisfaction: There absolutely was less "customer interaction" when building these bars for a very simple reason; Time. The gentleman whose bike we used, uses his Connie as a daily commuter vehicle. At first we were only supposed to have it for a single week but he was kind enough to allow us a few extra days. That alone was enough to limit the amount of "customer modifications" we could toy around with. You guys have to keep in mind that we had the later generation Connie in our facility for nearly a month. We had the earlier generation Connie for less than half the time which is obviously going to limit how many iterations of a bar we can test. Also, there was a bit less interaction because I was out with the flu for a few of those days unfortunately.

Regarding the design, we felt that the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 Connie was so popular that our best route would be to modify the bar to fit on the 2008-2009 Connie. Of course the fairings and lines of the bike are drastically different but that was taken into account and the lines of the bar itself were changed quite a bit. I honestly believe the Canyon Cage for the earlier generation bike is cooler looking in person than the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012. It's far more aggressive looking to me although both bars go with each bike really well, I believe. Also, the reason we went with a smaller diameter bar was to match with the rear guards that we've already been making for the earlier generation Connie for years now. So, those of you who buy the Canyon Cage that already have the saddlebag guards or want the saddlebag guards, you'll be able to get a set that matches! This does not take away from the strength of the bar though as the wall thickness for both sets is the same. It's merely the overall diameter that's different by 1/8".

Now, for the option of drilling, we were again limited by time and the fact that we didn't have a spare fairing for a 2008-2009 Connie that we could drill into to actually make the prototype. I'm sure some of you are thinking: "Well, why not just mock up where the hole WOULD be and not actually drill into the guys fairing?" If we were to do that, there'd be no way to actually test the bar which we really weren't comfortable with. Also, when doing it that way, there'd be no way to verify that the bar fit properly without actually drilling through the fairing and mounting the part completely. Perhaps if we had more time, this would be an option we could explore but it seemed as though the majority did not want to deal with drilling anyway.

Based on the very positive reaction we had from the gentleman whose bike we borrowed, we feel confident that most of you will be pleased with the bars. The guy even went as far as to tell us he thought the bike looked better with the bars on there than without! I do wish that we had the bike for a longer period of time so we could have explored a few more options but I truly think we did very well given the time constraint.

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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #195 on: June 18, 2012, 11:20:07 AM »
Ryan, I myself am ready to buy once these are available.

I sure would like to see a pic of a Gen 1 bike laid down with the Canyon Cage and the rear bars installed!
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #196 on: June 18, 2012, 11:27:06 AM »
Ryan, Thanks for explaining the circumstances. The bars are growing on me. It would have been good to tweak them like the gen 2 but overall a win.  So now let's get em shipped in you SPARE time.  ;D JP
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #197 on: June 18, 2012, 11:54:58 AM »
Ryan, I think they look great. I am ready to order as soon you are. Thank you for a job well done.
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #198 on: June 18, 2012, 11:58:35 AM »
You guys are all welcome and thank you for the kind words! I'll definitely post some pictures of the bike laid over for you once I get a minute to locate, resize, and post them! I apologize for the delay in getting these photos up because I know a few of you are eager to see them, I've just been super busy so far this morning. However, it is Monday after all.  ;)
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Re: Gen one C14 Canyon Cage
« Reply #199 on: June 18, 2012, 12:38:47 PM »
Hey everyone! Wow, it sure seems like there are quite a few unsatisfied people.  :-[ Since there were quite a few of you that voiced concerns, I'll reply to all of you in a general sense but I sure hope you guys can see things from our point of view. Firstly, the group buy will be beginning sometime this week when we get the pricing and timeline all figured out. I'll probably make a new thread that will hopefully be stickied for the Generation 1 Group Buy so look for that sometime this week.

Anyhow, regarding the dissatisfaction: There absolutely was less "customer interaction" when building these bars for a very simple reason; Time. The gentleman whose bike we used, uses his Connie as a daily commuter vehicle. At first we were only supposed to have it for a single week but he was kind enough to allow us a few extra days. That alone was enough to limit the amount of "customer modifications" we could toy around with. You guys have to keep in mind that we had the later generation Connie in our facility for nearly a month. We had the earlier generation Connie for less than half the time which is obviously going to limit how many iterations of a bar we can test. Also, there was a bit less interaction because I was out with the flu for a few of those days unfortunately.

Regarding the design, we felt that the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012 Connie was so popular that our best route would be to modify the bar to fit on the 2008-2009 Connie. Of course the fairings and lines of the bike are drastically different but that was taken into account and the lines of the bar itself were changed quite a bit. I honestly believe the Canyon Cage for the earlier generation bike is cooler looking in person than the Canyon Cage for the 2010-2012. It's far more aggressive looking to me although both bars go with each bike really well, I believe. Also, the reason we went with a smaller diameter bar was to match with the rear guards that we've already been making for the earlier generation Connie for years now. So, those of you who buy the Canyon Cage that already have the saddlebag guards or want the saddlebag guards, you'll be able to get a set that matches! This does not take away from the strength of the bar though as the wall thickness for both sets is the same. It's merely the overall diameter that's different by 1/8".

Now, for the option of drilling, we were again limited by time and the fact that we didn't have a spare fairing for a 2008-2009 Connie that we could drill into to actually make the prototype. I'm sure some of you are thinking: "Well, why not just mock up where the hole WOULD be and not actually drill into the guys fairing?" If we were to do that, there'd be no way to actually test the bar which we really weren't comfortable with. Also, when doing it that way, there'd be no way to verify that the bar fit properly without actually drilling through the fairing and mounting the part completely. Perhaps if we had more time, this would be an option we could explore but it seemed as though the majority did not want to deal with drilling anyway.

Based on the very positive reaction we had from the gentleman whose bike we borrowed, we feel confident that most of you will be pleased with the bars. The guy even went as far as to tell us he thought the bike looked better with the bars on there than without! I do wish that we had the bike for a longer period of time so we could have explored a few more options but I truly think we did very well given the time constraint.

Ryan,
Great job considering the time constraint  ;D