Failed Fly_ectomy

[Patrick1]

After successfully finishing the Rostra CC installation, I went after the Flyectomy in preparation for the PCV-5 installation, however
the screws seemed to be made of soft copper. I used the instructions at:  http://www.zxforums.com/forums/zx-14-forum/7500-flies-out-picture-guide.html
but stopped after 2 screws unsuccessfully.
Does anyone have a PLAN B to get them out....or am I screwed     

[jamiemac]

It seems Your plan B might Be to leave them in, return the PCV, & get a reflash on Your computer module.

I encountered trouble on My last butterfly, so I drilled the head off. I used heavy grease on the drill bit to catch the chips, & did a thorough shop vac on the air valve with a piece of clear tubing and some duct tape. It is possible to drill them all, but if you have never done anything like that before, I wouldn't recommend it.

[OregonLAN]

I really like the color of that bike in the tutorial.

For me, the key to successful removal was using a JIS screwdriver. I didn't strip a single screw and applied no heat...

[gPink]

After successfully finishing the Rostra CC installation, I went after the Flyectomy in preparation for the PCV-5 installation, however
the screws seemed to be made of soft copper. I used the instructions at:  http://www.zxforums.com/forums/zx-14-forum/7500-flies-out-picture-guide.html
but stopped after 2 screws unsuccessfully.
Does anyone have a PLAN B to get them out....or am I screwed     

Did you break the screws or strip the heads? This will determine your next course of action.

[Gearhead82]

I had trouble with a couple of my fly screws (I didn't get the JIS screwdriver like I should have) and ended up using a dremel to grind slots in them to use a flat blade screwdriver.  I think I had some success kinda hammering a Torx driver into one which gripped enough to pop it loose.  I think I had trouble with about 3 of the 8 screws. 

[Son of Pappy]

Word of caution, dont hit it too hard, wouldn't want a bent shaft to add to your woes.  Is the risk worth it?  Yes, get them flys on the wall where they belong.

I do have a stock set of throttle bodies should that happen.

[Jeremy Mitchell]

It is definitely worth the effort to get the flies out, hopefully you can remove them without much more pain and suffering. 

[Pokey]

 

[jimmymac]

It's not too tough to remove the thottle bodies from the bike and get them on the bench. Much easier to work on, and you can make all the metal shavings you want.

[Patrick1]

To answer one question: I just stripped the heads on two screws...and stopped.
This is the first I have heard of a "JIS" screwdriver. Arey the available at Ace Hardware or
else where?
I suspect for the two b-stards I will stuff some cotton balls oiled between the flys and
get the dremmel tool and drill a bit..... and apply the shopvac.

[gonzosc1]

  seems like theres not many screws on the C14 that can't be striped. I pretty much can't take the wind screen off because of those damn useless soft allen screws,,,striped...

[gPink]

To answer one question: I just stripped the heads on two screws...and stopped.
This is the first I have heard of a "JIS" screwdriver. Arey the available at Ace Hardware or
else where?
I suspect for the two b-stards I will stuff some cotton balls oiled between the flys and
get the dremmel tool and drill a bit..... and apply the shopvac.

JIS=Japanese Industrial Standard

http://www.ikaswebshop.com/hojisscset4d.html

The inside radius profile of the slots are more square cut than a Phillips. Folks here have used both successfully..and unsuccessfully. The main trick is to heat an old screw driver with a torch then holding it against the screw to soften the threadlocker before trying to loosen the screw.

[B.D.F.]

Some information about JIS drivers and the secondary 'flies on a C-14 here:

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=384.0

Brian

To answer one question: I just stripped the heads on two screws...and stopped.
This is the first I have heard of a "JIS" screwdriver. Arey the available at Ace Hardware or
else where?
I suspect for the two b-stards I will stuff some cotton balls oiled between the flys and
get the dremmel tool and drill a bit..... and apply the shopvac.

[fmwhit]

Patrick, just curious if you applied heat to the screws before attempting to remove them,  as many of the guys had reported in the past that they applied heat directly to the screw head from a soldering iron to loosen the compound that Kawi used to secure the screws.

Another method to get the flies open without removing them is to use a GiPro TRE.

Good Luck,
Fred

[Cuda]

It's not too tough to remove the thottle bodies from the bike and get them on the bench. Much easier to work on, and you can make all the metal shavings you want.

IF........I was going to do remove the flys this  sounds like the way to go $$$$$$$$$
I'm going with the reflash of the ECU,  Traction control is one of the reasons I bought this bike and I would not want to hamper its use.

[Jeremy Mitchell]

IF........I was going to do remove the flys this  sounds like the way to go $$$$$$$$$
I'm going with the reflash of the ECU,  Traction control is one of the reasons I bought this bike and I would not want to hamper its use.

There are several people that have removed the flies from KTRAC equipped bikes with no noticeable changes in the TC operation. 


disclaimer: I am not saying that there are no changes and I do not advocate any modifications that could make the slower 2010-2012 bikes almost as fast as the 2008.   

[Gearhead82]

There are several people that have removed the flies from KTRAC equipped bikes with no noticeable changes in the TC operation. 


disclaimer: I am not saying that there are no changes and I do not advocate any modifications that could make the slower 2010-2012 bikes almost as fast as the 2008 2009.   

Fixed

[OregonLAN]

IF........I was going to do remove the flys this  sounds like the way to go $$$$$$$$$
I'm going with the reflash of the ECU,  Traction control is one of the reasons I bought this bike and I would not want to hamper its use.

Really? Traction control and linked brakes were the reasons I bought a 2009 instead...

[Cuda]

Really? Traction control and linked brakes were the reasons I bought a 2009 instead...

If you lived in Naple Fl. the heat of the 09 would not be that much fun, I was going to get a ST1300 till I learned about their heat Issues  SATAN'S CHARIOT as one owner called it . I really don't have any back roads to have fun on , there was nothing here 30's ago it's all new and flat and square, with greasy hot roads that get rained on at any time, Tropical.

[VirginiaJim]

Really? Traction control and linked brakes were the reasons I bought a 2009 instead...

Hmmm, you got sold a bill of goods then.  Those bikes don't have traction control and linked brakes.  How long did it take to find out it didn't have those options?