Changed oil, better results.

[VirginiaJim]

Glad you're ok, Brian.  Sorry to hear about the bike, though.

[B.D.F.]

This is a great forum, and quite a few of us have been here a long time. It is rare that a thread gets locked at all and often even then they get unlocked after a 'cooling off' period and believe it or not, peace and harmony are regained :-) 

All things should be open to reasonable discussion at all times IMO. Sure we all have opinions and biases but I think we do an OK or better job of overcoming them and rising above that.... mostly.

And there is nothing wrong with an oil thread IMO. The problem stems from wants, desires, beliefs and opinions far outweighing the amount of facts in the thread. What is called a 'high noise- to- content' ratio. But fortunately, there are facts about most things, oil included.

The bike: all cosmetic but unfortunately, it is an '08 and a lot of tupperware was damaged so the costs go up fast. I think it is quite likely it will be totaled. To be honest, I am not really looking forward to the expense of moving to either a new bike or a later model. Not really looking forward to some of the new changes on the Gen. II bikes either and especially not looking forward to farkeling another C-14 to the level this one is at and when all is said and done, I will have the <more or less> identical bike under my butt. There are other bikes of course, and the 1200 VFR caught my attention way back but too much money for too little bike IMO. I would like to kid myself but I am too old and (ahem) 'robust' for any long distance riding on a ZX 14 now. Anyway, adjuster on his / her way today or tomorrow so let the games begin.... :-)  Thanks for the good thoughts!

Brian

Interesting info.  This has really turned into an OIL THREAD, and both info and opinions have been expressed.  So far, it has remained civil, something seldomly seen over on ADV Rider site.  Guess Connie owners are a more civilized lot, who enjoy lively banter and very fast touring motorcycles...

Brian, is the bike damage cosmetic or structural?  Hopefully only cosmetic...

[B.D.F.]

Thanks Jim. Everybody rode away from the scene so not bad at all on a scale of all things.

I thought of you at the 'scene of the crime' too- it was the guy I was riding with who hit me at an intersection. Where have I heard a story like that before? :-)   

Let's see: bike broke, possible insurance tussle beginning. In- laws coming to stay with us. New wood stove on the way with all  the associated shipping difficulties. New house alarm system not working properly (my version of properly, they think it is spiffy and spanky).... billing tussle going to begin there (shhhhhh: it is going to be a surprise to them). But as my oldest son likes to say, great to have first- world problems, ain't it? So I am not complaining 'cause I don't have any real problems actually. But I am in the proverbial funk today to be sure.... :-(

Brian

Glad you're ok, Brian.  Sorry to hear about the bike, though.

[tomp]

Brian, if the bike is structurally sound yet totaled, buy it back for a song from your insurance company, and strip that mama down.  It's next life will be lived as a street fighter.  Reuse the farkles and/or ebay them.  Insurance doesn't normally pay for them if totaled.  I got a great deal on my 08, and don't see the extra expense for the features of a 10+, either.  Hope things work out in your favor.  tomp

http://www.customfighters.com/forums/     Great examples on this site...   

FWIW, lost my job last month, after 46 years of employment.  Locating a position that pays what I was earning has proved next to impossible.  No one wants to hire a man with a world of knowledge, experience, etc, who's 64.  Looks like wallyworld or Home Depot may be my next port o call...

[PH14]

Brain, sorry to hear about the bike, but I am glad you are okay. I understand where you are coming from regarding gen II bikes, I prefer my '09. I have halfway considered getting a different bike so if I do very soon you might want mine. 

Sorry to hear about the job tomp. I may be in the same position soon. I have been an entertainer for the past 29 years and it may be coming to an end. I am tired of the travel too, but finding a job that even comes close to paying what I get now seems impossible, and unfortunately I can't afford a pay cut right now. Sigh...

[tomp]

Sorry to hear about the job tomp. I may be in the same position soon. I have been an entertainer for the past 29 years and it may be coming to an end. I am tired of the travel too, but finding a job that even comes close to paying what I get now seems impossible, and unfortunately I can't afford a pay cut right now. Sigh...

Like I said before, Ain't life Grand....Hope you find what you need.  I have one opportunity, but it is a 240-250 hr a month one.  Feel kinda old for that many stressful hours, doing a job I really don't want to do, but bills are due, right?   

[Daytona_Mike]

Hey Brian-- sorry to hear about your bike but glad you are ok. I  have a 2008 and  I too would be frustrated if I had to start over with all the (way too many) farkles to have to re-do.  Maybe that is a good idea to buy the bike back. On the other hand a 1200 VFR (X)  looks tempting. I keep looking at the new KTM1190 Adventure but I have  too many bikes as it is .
Would you  have any pics of the poor girl?  Again sorry to hear about the bike.

[sherob]

It wasn't Mobil who caused the problem, it was Castrol who was hydrocracking the group III base stocks and calling it "synthetic".

The true Group IV and Group V synthetic oils typically have substantially lower pour points and higher flash points.

[jimmymac]

If you can find a '10, some of them don't have TC or ABS. Mine doesn't.

Just thought I would comment in the "wreck thread."

[tomp]

Just thought I would comment in the "wreck thread."

An easy shifting thread with a little oil, wreck, joblessness, and what ever else that gets tossed in here.  That's what makes threads so cool...They shift and change, but still seem to entertain the senses....

[Daytona_Mike]

Brian is right about Mobil1 not being made from PAO base stock therefore not really synthetic in our book.  Most manufacturers are now doing this to be able to stay competitive price wise. I am told that Mobil1 Extended is PAO  Based though.
Germany has strict rules about non PAO base stock and cannot be called Synthetic.
I am a fan of Motul. My bikes really shift smooth and I ride other bikes with their best choices of oil  and have not found any that come close. My second choice was Amsoil but only the bottles that said 100% Synthetic.  Now they just say 'Synthetic'.

[tomp]

KTM recommends Motul.  Possibly Ducati too?  On that, I am uncertain.  Very popular in Europe...

[datsaxman@hotmail.com]

Unofficial Thread Ombudsman Stuff:


1) Tomp, if you filled the crankcase of a DT1 with any liquid, it was hydrolocked and did not turn over at all, much less run.  How did you fill it anyway?  Did you mean you filled the transmission case?   If oil came out of the transmission case looking milky, stop putting your beer in there with the oil.  Please revise and resubmit. 
(Does nobody else on this forum read these posts?  Or know what a DT1 is??)

2) Brian, Pi is (poorly) approximated as 22/7, not 22/3.  You can call for a Mulligan if you can cite the state and year of the proposed statute.



Better still would be 335/113, of course.  OR EXACTLY THREE. 


There is real precedent for THREE.

Indiana State Legislature, 1897 (but it died in the Senate...and implied several values, including FOUR)

Alabama, 4/1/1998 (but it was a spoof; originally attributed to author "April Holiday") 

Tennessee, 1961 (only a reference in Stranger In A Strange Land, R. A. Heinlein)



saxman

P.S. My ZG14s shift just fine.  Rotella T6. 

[tomp]

Yes, transmission.  It was late a night and, that's the word these feeble fingers typed.  I realized my mistake, but figured who even knows what a DT1 is, any way.  Had two and raced them both.  They were good, but couldn't hold a candle to the Huskys, AJS' CZ's and Maico's I had to compete against. 

As far as Pi goes,  I always heard that "Pi aren't squared, Pi are round; cornbread are square."  Always worked for me...

BTW, you never answered whether you play sax or not... A percussionist/drummer myself.  Did play contrabass clarinet one semester in college, as it was needed for a piece we were performing.  The carrying case looked like I was transporting a boa on Viagra...

[B.D.F.]

Yep, you are exactly right- I misspoke (with my fingers but still....). I meant 22/3.

And now it appears that I made two mistakes in that post: apparently the State is Indiana and in fact, the bill proposing Pi be approximated by 22/7 was never actually passed so it is NOT the law there. I either miss- remembered it or it has become an urban legend.

I apologize and hope no one has to correct any formulas that they may have based on my incorrect and in ever- so- bad- taste posting about this.

 

Unofficial Thread Ombudsman Stuff:

<snip>

2) Brian, Pi is (poorly) approximated as 22/7, not 22/3.  You can call for a Mulligan if you can cite the state and year of the proposed statute.

<snip>

[B.D.F.]

Yeah, this forum is sorta' like real life: we start off talking about something specific like, oh I don't know, fertilizing the lawn for example and the conversation inevitably ends up on the topic of breast enhancement. Funny how that happens.

But notice the distinct lack of science, data, facts (real facts, not "Uncle Harvey used hemmeroidoil in his tractors for years and never had a single swarm of locusts") or much of anything else. Lots of emotion, lots of chest pounding but little substance. And that is why oil threads rule!

Brian

An easy shifting thread with a little oil, wreck, joblessness, and what ever else that gets tossed in here.  That's what makes threads so cool...They shift and change, but still seem to entertain the senses....

[tomp]

Brian, perhaps before one is able to officially join a forum a small qualifying test should be taken.  To insure only the qualified are able to join, I recommend this simple at home test. 

http://www.us.mensa.org/join/testing/

Could I pass it?  I seriously doubt it, but would have fun playing with the crayons for a while.....

[VirginiaJim]

I love Pi, especially blueberry.

[B.D.F.]

That test is over-rated and meaningless (says the guy who failed it). :-)  But I have known a couple of members and one in particular who was scary- smart and very, very knowledgeable. Lucky for us too 'cause those people built a world with cell phones, fuel injection and most important of all, KiPass. (now the thread is officially ruined 'cause I said the K-word)

And I think you missed the point of my post- I was not picking on anyone, merely pointing out the fact that some of the most contentious issues among us humans have the least facts of all. I am as guilty as anyone else and of course have my own biases and prejudices.

And I have no doubt that there ARE forums restricted to Mensa members, high- end fraternities, secret societies and so forth. But probably not so much for motorcycle forums..... 

Brian

Brian, perhaps before one is able to officially join a forum a small qualifying test should be taken.  To insure only the qualified are able to join, I recommend this simple at home test. 

http://www.us.mensa.org/join/testing/

Could I pass it?  I seriously doubt it, but would have fun playing with the crayons for a while.....

[VirginiaJim]

Smartness is not a criteria to post here.  Having a sense of humor is, however, at least on the C14 boards.  I get seriously upset with serious people.  And yes, I've started drinking.