Don't know if they're still in business. As far as the discussions go, everything is opinion unless there is science to back it up. If we can't kick people around for their opinion what good is the internet?Hahaha...Mr. Pink, you just made me snarf coffee out my nose...lol. Thanks for that;).
The stuff I have read is all with the Guhl ECU reflash. I really should stay out of these discussions, because everybody has their own opinions, and if you try to suggest otherwise, all you get is "Well, that is impossible"...lol.
I don't know if you were specifically addressing what I said, but if you were:
1) I didn't say it WAS impossible, I said "I really don't see how that is possible" and qualified it with my model and which flash. Huge difference. Someone is welcome to speculate as to how it COULD be possible, and I did leave that open. For example, maybe the person never goes over 3K RPM, or never uses more than 1/4 throttle (and in which case, why are they spending so much money to reflash the ECU???), or had some OTHER flash that was not Guhl, or has something else terribly wrong with their bike, or somehow ended up reinstalling an ECU that was never flashed or incorrectly flashed.
2) This is not really an "opinion" I stated. It is more "fact" (or as least a data point) that there is a huge difference on my bike. No different than hearing a noise at a certain RPM, or what gas mileage I get, or what top speed might be. I am not quantifiably relaying it nor is it scientifically verified, but it is not really just an opinion. An opinion would be more like "I think this is the best thing ever" or "silver is the nicest color" or "the sound of this muffler is great".
3) There is absolutely nothing wrong with presenting contrary information, that is the whole point of good discussions. I welcome them. Doesn't offend me in the least.
4) I wasn't calling you a liar or disbelieving you are relaying information that you saw previously. Although I might be questioning the VALIDITY of that information based on personal experience, many other postings to the contrary, and just plain logic about what the flash does.
Relax man...I wasn't directing anything at you personally...lol. Geeez.
You have clearly stated that your opinion is not really an opinion, but more of a fact, so I'm not going to challenge you on that. I'll leave it be. It sounds like you've done lots of internet research to back your opinions, so I won't confuse the matter with further ideas or actual logic. I really don't think there's a benefit in doing so.
Are you trying to be cute or something by further insulting me and hiding behind smiley faces? Or do you just think I am stupid? I really don't appreciate it.
So...did anyone think to answer the original post?
Can he take his flies out without adding a PC?
In reviewing this thread it looks like you can. Some think more gain to be had by an add on Power Commander. Some think that just doing a Guhl reflash is all that's needed without removing the flies. Up to you.
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Power Commanders add power from 2500 RPM-up, with significant gains in the higher range, from 4000 RPM to redline. The ECU reflash is aimed more at the low end, with nice gains in Torque between 2000-4000 RPM, where most sport-touring guys spend the majority of their time.
And the combination of removing the secondaries (the 'flies) and adding a PC adds the most power possible at all RPM ranges.
Brian
Yessir, you're right. This is why I usually don't agree with comparing ECU flashes with Power Commanders....they really are two different options, with completely different results. I know everybody will say which one is 'better', but I think what's actually better depends on each individual C14 owner and their goals. The opinions will always vary of course;).
There's a lot of info for potential buyers to read and sift through....but hey, that's why research is so fun;).
Cheers,
Rem
So...did anyone think to answer the original post?Uh, Posts # 2 and 7 did.
Can he take his flies out without adding a PC?