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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2012, 02:18:00 PM »
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overdrive

It is the first definition :-)

The term used correctly describes a very specific condition as C1xRider said- if the output shaft of the transmission is turning faster than the input shaft, it is in fact an overdrive. Most transmissions (I speak generally here and it applies more to older autos then current transmissions in all vehicles) simply locked the output shaft to the input shaft in the highest gear. So if you had a four- speed transmission, you really only had three gears and a 'pass through' coupling that was called fourth gear. The vehicle's overall gearing in high 'gear' was controlled by the rear end ratio exclusively. The along came a manufacturer who actual did use a gear ratio for high gear which gave the drive train designer more flexibility in the vehicle's ratios (a lower rear end ratio for better low gear acceleration but still relatively low engine speeds for highway cruising). The marketing people called it an 'overdrive'.

More recently the term has become used to describe what a manufacturer wants to point out as a high overall gear ratio but they are using the term incorrectly, technically speaking. When the term is used that way it also becomes meaningless because it has no definition and can be whatever the manufacturer wants it to be.

So strictly and correctly speaking, the C-14 does NOT have overdrive. It does have a high gear ratio in sixth gear resulting in low engine RPMs for given highway speeds and that is what they are probably trying to convey from a practical point of view.

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No.  Totally serious.  Do you have a link to something or can refer to a book that has the 'proper' definition of overdrive?  I'm willing to listen to alternate theories but I need solid references before I change my mind.  So far, I haven't seen them.
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2012, 02:21:08 PM »
I don't know, if I win the race, I think it would be funnier to tell the loser it was in overdrive....or stuck in first gear.
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2012, 02:26:57 PM »
Just saw this post.

Again, just my opinion, and it is certainly not a big deal but Kawasaki is still using the term incorrectly in my opinion. I understand why they are doing it, and it does convey the idea that they are trying to make the engine turn more slowly than it might without the 'overdrive' but again, the word has a definition that cannot be redefined just because some entity would like to use it incorrectly in advertising.

The English word 'several' was clearly defined as a number between 3 and 60. I guess 62.95678 would be close enough to fudge that but in reality, anything over 60 is not 'a few'. More recently the definition has been broadened to mean more than two but less than 'many', which is not a defintion at all. As a side note, consider that our constitution has defined the max. number of states by referring to them collectively as 'the several states'. That's right folks, only 10 more max.  ;D

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Thanks, Wally.  So it's really personal opinion on which one you subscribe to.  In the 2008 C14 Design Factoid from Kwak which every C14 owner should read:

Q: Why is sixth gear called Overdrive?

A: The C14 has an extra-tall “Overdrive” sixth gear that lets the engine run
slower when cruising, producing less vibration and noise thus raising comfort
levels and lowering fuel consumption – by approximately five percent. It also
permits for a closer gear ratio from 1st to 5th for better sport performance.

http://www.kawasaki.com/Content/pdfs/products/concours_QandA.pdf

So, if it's good enough for Kwak, it's good enough for me.  I'm going to still call it an overdrive (OD) but that's me.  Whomever is welcome to call it anything they want or not.  It's all good......I think.
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2012, 02:30:26 PM »
 ;D
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2012, 03:20:21 PM »
we all know there are 57 states

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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2012, 04:13:50 PM »
I think you are confusing 'varieties' with 'states'. A common mistake.

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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2012, 06:58:51 PM »
No.  Totally serious.  Do you have a link to something or can refer to a book that has the 'proper' definition of overdrive?  I'm willing to listen to alternate theories but I need solid references before I change my mind.  So far, I haven't seen them.

Hmm, okay, I thought it was common knowledge, but perhaps it's tribal knowledge.

There are many, many books that define the terms, like this one just for motorcycles :

Title   Modern Motorcycle Technology
Author   Edward Abdo
Edition   2, illustrated
Publisher   Cengage Learning, 2012
ISBN   1111640645, 9781111640644
Length   560 pages

You can see the definitions on page 198 : (http://books.google.com/books?id=iQxsme0owiMC&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=motorcycle+transmission+gear+ratio+definition+%22under+drive%22+%22direct+drive%22+%22over+drive%22&source=bl&ots=zsJ9XA8vA1&sig=kE2vGdSyA3Vi_kPXRKlyIwDsPzU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yJQtUMCIIqa_ygGs4oGAAQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=motorcycle%20transmission%20gear%20ratio%20definition%20%22under%20drive%22%20%22direct%20drive%22%20%22over%20drive%22&f=false)
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2012, 03:59:52 AM »
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #68 on: August 18, 2012, 12:38:27 AM »
Almost  8) regretting I started this thread!
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #69 on: August 18, 2012, 04:14:00 AM »
Why?
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2012, 04:31:26 AM »
- personally , would have much much preferred just "6" on the gear display and not that odd OD symbol thing which looks crazy.
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2012, 11:29:43 AM »
- personally , would have much much preferred just "6" on the gear display and not that odd OD symbol thing which looks crazy.
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That's so you won't mistake the 6 for a 5 and try to upshift again.  ;)
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2012, 12:00:03 PM »
That's so you won't mistake the 6 for a 5 and try to upshift again.  ;)

That's right, at 150mph that 5 and 6 might look the same.
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2012, 04:16:45 PM »
- personally , would have much much preferred just "6" on the gear display and not that odd OD symbol thing which looks crazy.

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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2012, 04:41:20 PM »
Nope.  OD is fine with me, but then I'm a wild and crazy guy!
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2012, 07:11:08 PM »
Nope.  OD is fine with me, but then I'm a wild and crazy guy!


Why not have the word "DONE" displayed instead? And boy do some of you old grumpy farts nitpick.
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #76 on: August 21, 2012, 07:16:30 PM »
Could of had this instead... $

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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #77 on: August 21, 2012, 07:20:29 PM »
Down Cap'n Pokey, DOWN.

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Now we know why Fudgers only have 5 speeds- saves on a lot o' fighting.

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Why not have the word "DONE" displayed instead? And boy do some of you old grumpy farts nitpick.
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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #78 on: August 21, 2012, 08:17:29 PM »
I think instead of "OD" or "6" there should be a  ;D or a  8).

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Re: Max speed for each gear?
« Reply #79 on: August 21, 2012, 08:48:17 PM »
At least "OD" has so many more possibilities

OnDashboard
ObedientlyDrab
OverDose
OverDone
ObligatorilyDreadful
ObscenelyDire
ObsessivelyDumb
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