Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: wendel on March 13, 2012, 11:19:10 AM
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When I bought the 08 C14 I got two Fobs. I thought it changed to one Fob and something the size of a credit card. I only got one yesterday and dealer did not know of the smaller credit card sized one. I know this is a disaster waiting to happen to me. Anyone got any information I could use?
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Your 2012 should have 1 regular fob and 1 credit card fob. Have your dealer call Kawasaki.
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Go here, http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/product-details-features.aspx?autoplay=false&id=573&scid=25 (http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/product-details-features.aspx?autoplay=false&id=573&scid=25)
Scroll down a bit till you see the Advanced KIPASS tab, click it. See what it says? Show your dealer.
• Each Concours 14 comes with one key fob (kept in a pocket) and a small card-type key for emergency/backup use
• The card-type key includes an immobilizer function (but no remote activation) and is highly portable, measuring just 1.2 x 1.6 x 0.25 inch
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I got one fob and a credit card-type with my 2011.
I am going to tailgate on this thread ;D
The card-type key includes an immobilizer function (but no remote activation) and is highly portable, measuring just 1.2 x 1.6 x 0.25 inch.
Does anybody know how the immobilizer function works? Is there a battery in the credit card-type key that needs replaced?
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I got one fob and a credit card-type with my 2011.
I am going to tailgate on this thread ;D
The card-type key includes an immobilizer function (but no remote activation) and is highly portable, measuring just 1.2 x 1.6 x 0.25 inch.
Does anybody know how the immobilizer function works? Is there a battery in the credit card-type key that needs replaced?
The CC fob needs no battery. It doesn't work remotely, you have to place it against the boss above the bike key to make it do it's thing. The full sized fobs work remotely from ~5', if the fob battery goes dead it'll work like the CC fob.
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I got one fob and a credit card-type with my 2011.
I am going to tailgate on this thread ;D
The card-type key includes an immobilizer function (but no remote activation) and is highly portable, measuring just 1.2 x 1.6 x 0.25 inch.
Does anybody know how the immobilizer function works? Is there a battery in the credit card-type key that needs replaced?
No battery. Works exactly like the regular FOB when the battery dies. With the correct orientation you touch to the small extrusion to the front of the stove knob. This allows you to start and drive the bike. It will also allow you to program a new FOB in case you lose yours. One advantage of the credit card FOB is that you can hide it on the bike and it will not allow someone to start the bike. You can obviously do that with a regular FOB by removing the battery but this is smaller and easier to hide.
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you have to place it against the boss above the bike key to make it do it's thing.
I am curious is to how setting it against the boss works though.
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All C-14 come with two fobs and always have. Gen 1 (08, 09) bikes came with two full- function fobs. Gen 2 (2010 and later) come with one full- function fob and one 'credit card' fob. The credit card fob will only work if held against the ignition switch housing but it does fulfill the role of a second fob in the event the first is lost or damaged. As you correctly point out, having one fob is risky because should that fob get lost or damaged, the only to correct the situation is to purchase a new KiPass ECU; that comes with two fobs but it is pretty pricey at something like $700. So the moral of the story is that everyone who owns a C-14 should maintain two working fobs even if the bike only came with one (purchased used)- that person should purchase another and have the bike programmed to recognize that new fob.
Your new bike came with two fobs too but the dealer may have lost one, or perhaps it is in the bike somewhere and the dealer does not know it. In the event the second fob really is lost, the dealer should order and program another one to go with your bike and unless it was specifically stated that the bike was sold with only one fob, they should provide that fob at no cost to you IMO.
Brian
When I bought the 08 C14 I got two Fobs. I thought it changed to one Fob and something the size of a credit card. I only got one yesterday and dealer did not know of the smaller credit card sized one. I know this is a disaster waiting to happen to me. Anyone got any information I could use?
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I am curious is to how setting it against the boss works though.
There's a coded RFID chip inside the fob. When you hold it in just the right place the bike's sensor detects it and tells the bike that it's ok to allow the stove knob key to be pressed down and start the bike.
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That is something of a miss- statement: fobs do not contain an immobilizer function, that is in the bike. The fobs simply allow an override of the immobilizer function.
The way the credit card works is that the ignition switch housing interrogates the card and if the card has the proper code, it unlocks the bike. The thicker fob is different in that it can actually produce radio waves and communicate with the bike from several feet away. The credit card fob has to be close to that housing to work- something like less than one inch away. The credit card fob is less expensive to purchase and that is why Kawasaki started using them on later models.
Brian
I got one fob and a credit card-type with my 2011.
I am going to tailgate on this thread ;D
The card-type key includes an immobilizer function (but no remote activation) and is highly portable, measuring just 1.2 x 1.6 x 0.25 inch.
Does anybody know how the immobilizer function works? Is there a battery in the credit card-type key that needs replaced?
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And here I was going to say it was magic...I've got to be quicker.
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How many fobs.... would a dead rodent chuck if a dead rodent could chuck fobs?
Easier to say than the original- I predict it catches on and becomes the new "How many...." saying before the year is out.
Kirby
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If it were your fobs, possibly two?
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Chuck Fob, I used to party with that dude!
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I am not sure if that is really right Jim. You know when you are really quick and your wife says it is still magic? She is not telling the truth.... Striving to be quicker should not really be your goal.
;D ;D
Brian
And here I was going to say it was magic...I've got to be quicker.
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Just make sure if you do chuck a fob it doesn't land in someone's drink. It won't hurt the fob of course (KiPass is infallible.... mostly) but it puts the person with the drink off for some reason. The good news is that it does tend to clean the collected lint out of the seams of the fob....
Brian
Chuck Fob, I used to party with that dude!
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I am not sure if that is really right Jim. You know when you are really quick and your wife says it is still magic? She is not telling the truth.... Striving to be quicker should not really be your goal.
;D ;D
Brian
But, my back hurts after 2 hours :o
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Just make sure if you do chuck a fob it doesn't land in someone's drink. It won't hurt the fob of course (KiPass is infallible.... mostly) but it puts the person with the drink off for some reason. The good news is that it does tend to clean the collected lint out of the seams of the fob....
Brian
Understandable, one never knows where someone else's fob has been...
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But, my back hurts after 2 hours :o
I thought that your back hurts before you even get started?
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I thought that your back hurts before you even get started?
Mind over matter ;D
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:rotflmao:
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I thought that your back hurts before you even get started?
:rotflmao:
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That is something of a miss- statement: fobs do not contain an immobilizer function, that is in the bike. The fobs simply allow an override of the immobilizer function.
The way the credit card works is that the ignition switch housing interrogates the card and if the card has the proper code, it unlocks the bike. The thicker fob is different in that it can actually produce radio waves and communicate with the bike from several feet away. The credit card fob has to be close to that housing to work- something like less than one inch away. The credit card fob is less expensive to purchase and that is why Kawasaki started using them on later models.
Brian
Thank you
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And here I was going to say it was magic...I've got to be quicker.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :goodpost:
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Where's Steve to tell us about the mad power of KIPASS?
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Thanks for the clarification and where to find it on the website for Kawasaki. We looked at the site while at the dealerhip but, we did not know exactly where to look. I will call in the morning. Just got off duty. Goodnight everyone.
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Called my dealer and they are calling Kawasaki. Seem no one there has heard anything about it before me. The technicians or someone must be throwing them away. I wonder how many C14s they have sold without the cards.
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Called my dealer and they are calling Kawasaki. Seem no one there has heard anything about it before me. The technicians or someone must be throwing them away. I wonder how many C14s they have sold without the cards.
:yikes:
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If that is really happening, it is almost beyond belief. Good thing we are talking about C-14 fobs here because if it was an auto dealership the dumpster would probably be full of dem dare 'extra' (spare) tires and wheels the new cars came with.
To be fair, KiPass is limited to C-14s only and it is a new thing for everyone, including the dealers. Add to that the fact that few dealers sell very many C-14's and so do not really learn much about them. At the rate this seems to be progressing, Kawi dealerships are not going to be familiar with KiPass until sometime in the middle of the century.
Brian
Called my dealer and they are calling Kawasaki. Seem no one there has heard anything about it before me. The technicians or someone must be throwing them away. I wonder how many C14s they have sold without the cards.
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My 2012 came with two things: 1) a fob that only needs to be near the bike to unlock the ignition, and also has a physical key that you can slide out, and 2) a little plastic case with a physical key in it. Is item #2 what everyone's calling the 'credit card' fob? It looks nothing like a credit card. It's about 2.25"long, 1.25" wide, and about the thickness of two quarters.
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I got the same as nico...but armed with the newly acquired knowledge I read in this thread... I took the piece of plastic that houses the spare key...touched it to the small rectangle, block, thingy majig, on the front side of the ignition and holy cow, will wonders never cease, it bypassed the ignition lock out and allowed the the ignition to work.
Thx for the info!
D
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Called my dealer and they are calling Kawasaki. Seem no one there has heard anything about it before me. The technicians or someone must be throwing them away. I wonder how many C14s they have sold without the cards.
OMG, I hope they are not that clueless! They are clearly pictured in all the documentation. If they ARE throwing them away, it is going to cost the dealership a lot of money :) In all fairness, though, if they are a small dealership.... the Concours is an expensive bike and they might not ever see many of them.
Anyway, I would hardly call the passive fob a "card", since it is NOTHING like a credit card (stupid marketing term crap). It's dimensions are 1 1/8" x 2 x 3/16" (30x52x5). A credit card is 2 1/8" x 3 5/16" x 1/32" (54x85x1). So the passive fob is more than 5 times thicker, yet almost 3 times smaller than a credit card.
The 2008-2009 Concours comes with two active fobs.
The 2010-2012 Concours comes with one active fob and one passive fob.
Both contain physical ignition/tank/bag keys. The active fob has a battery and an active RFID that broadcasts a signal that can be picked up by the bike and ALSO has a passive RFID that can be used if the battery goes dead. The passive fob has no battery and just a passive RFID.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rfid#Operation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rfid#Operation)
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I spoke with a fella named Dan and he said to come in with my other fob so they know which card to order. He still thinks all it contains is a spare key and will not do anything else. He asked when I get it in to get with him and show him what it is supposed to do. Ridenow in Ocala, Fl. is not a small dealership. They are being polite and helpful about the situation, so I have not any complaints. I just have to get down there. Right now I am waiting on Ryan to call me so I can order a set of crashbars on the group buy. Probably will be tomorrow before I get down there. I will post my results.
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I spoke with a fella named Dan and he said to come in with my other fob so they know which card to order. He still thinks all it contains is a spare key and will not do anything else. He asked when I get it in to get with him and show him what it is supposed to do. Ridenow in Ocala, Fl. is not a small dealership. They are being polite and helpful about the situation, so I have not any complaints. I just have to get down there. Right now I am waiting on Ryan to call me so I can order a set of crashbars on the group buy. Probably will be tomorrow before I get down there. I will post my results.
Couple of other small details that might be of use to someone else in this thread:
There are two parts to the spare "credit card" fob: The plastic housing with the chip and the key that fits inside. You have to order both. Cost me about $40 for the fob and then when it came without the key, another $15 for the key blank. Then, since my dealer is new to Kaw, it is taking weeks to actually get the fob programmed to the bike. ::) At this time, the best guess is that I have to have the main fob for the dealer to program the small one.
Also, since Kaw, in all their wisdom has A & B key blanks, you actually have to have the key in hand when you call to order the set.
Good luck!
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I spoke with a fella named Dan and he said to come in with my other fob so they know which card to order. He still thinks all it contains is a spare key and will not do anything else. He asked when I get it in to get with him and show him what it is supposed to do. Ridenow in Ocala, Fl. is not a small dealership. They are being polite and helpful about the situation, so I have not any complaints. I just have to get down there. Right now I am waiting on Ryan to call me so I can order a set of crashbars on the group buy. Probably will be tomorrow before I get down there. I will post my results.
You may run into some difficulties with Dan if he thinks that all the 'CC' fob does is hold another key. Dan is going to have to program the bike to recognize the new fob. See the attachment for some detail, you may want to print it out and take it to Dan. The programming for the 'CC' fob is slightly different than the full sized fob, one step is not needed for the 'CC' fob. Again, see the attachment.
Since they seem to be clueless about this you had better tell him NOT to throw away the code numbers that come on the package of the new fob, without that number he can toss the new fob in the dumpster too.
Correction. The 'CC' fob may not need the code numbers since all it does is deactivate the immoblizer. Brian knows more about this.
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FOBs are almighty pow-ah, the 'mo the bettuh!
They can make plastic smile.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/LR%20700/SRW_2726-Edit.jpg)
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I know that some people are literarily challenged but does nobody on here READ THE OWNERS MANUAL? :yikes: :loco: :nuts:
It's all in there in black on white. Admittedly some of it is a bit Jap-lish but its pretty good mostly.
Take some time to read it and you'll be amazed at what you may learn about the object you just paid $$$$ for.
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I know that some people are literarily challenged but does nobody on here READ THE OWNERS MANUAL? :yikes: :loco: :nuts:
It's all in there in black on white. Admittedly some of it is a bit Jap-lish but its pretty good mostly.
Take some time to read it and you'll be amazed at what you may learn about the object you just paid $$$$ for.
I can't speak for the others Boomer, but I read it twice. :o
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Me too.
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Flipping past the pages in the hope of finding some hidden stick figure pornography does NOT constitute 'reading the manual'. And doing the same thing backwards does not mean 'reading it twice'.
<chuckle>
Brian
I can't speak for the others Boomer, but I read it twice. :o
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Maybe the smile if from the little known vibrating function of the fob?
Just goes to show, you simply cannot ruin a KiPass thread- they are pre- ruined to start with.
:P
Brian
FOBs are almighty pow-ah, the 'mo the bettuh!
They can make plastic smile.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/LR%20700/SRW_2726-Edit.jpg)
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I think you do need the code to activate any fob that has not been registered to that bike before. Unless it is specifically possible to register a RFID fob (or RFID portion of an RF fob) without the code but in the presence of an active, correctly registered RF fob? ??? I am not sure about this but at any rate, it would be a great idea to always keep the packaging that any fob comes with just to be sure you have what you need to use that fob.
Brian
You may run into some difficulties with Dan if he thinks that all the 'CC' fob does is hold another key. Dan is going to have to program the bike to recognize the new fob. See the attachment for some detail, you may want to print it out and take it to Dan. The programming for the 'CC' fob is slightly different than the full sized fob, one step is not needed for the 'CC' fob. Again, see the attachment.
Since they seem to be clueless about this you had better tell him NOT to throw away the code numbers that come on the package of the new fob, without that number he can toss the new fob in the dumpster too.
Correction. The 'CC' fob may not need the code numbers since all it does is deactivate the immoblizer. Brian knows more about this.
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Flipping past the pages in the hope of finding some hidden stick figure pornography does NOT constitute 'reading the manual'. And doing the same thing backwards does not mean 'reading it twice'.
<chuckle>
Brian
Says who?
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Says everybody who has seen color pornography.
Brian
Says who?
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Says everybody who has seen color pornography.
Brian
Point taken.
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Er, it sounds like you are looking at the wrong pornography. :o
Brian
Point taken.
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Er, it sounds like you are looking at the wrong pornography. :o
Brian
Hey now! If I'm looking at it, it's the right pornography. ;)
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My 2012 came with two things: 1) a fob that only needs to be near the bike to unlock the ignition, and also has a physical key that you can slide out, and 2) a little plastic case with a physical key in it. Is item #2 what everyone's calling the 'credit card' fob? It looks nothing like a credit card. It's about 2.25"long, 1.25" wide, and about the thickness of two quarters.
Yes that's the "credit card" fob. Besides having the physical key it also has a RFID chip in it and can be used to start the bike by holding it in the correct orientation on the little protrusion in front of the stove knob. As can the regular FOB when the battery dies.
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Says everybody who has seen color pornography.
Brian
???
How old are you Brian? Did it use to be printed in black & white back in the day?? :-\
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Nah, back in the day there were wood carvings and before that, paintings on cave walls. Which is why Neanderthals probably went extinct- sitting around the cave, looking at the pictures while Cro Magnon folk were out hunting and inventing stress related illnesses.
Brian
???
How old are you Brian? Did it use to be printed in black & white back in the day?? :-\
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Nah, back in the day there were wood carvings and before that, paintings on cave walls. Which is why Neanderthals probably went extinct- sitting around the cave, looking at the pictures while Cro Magnon folk were out hunting and inventing stress related illnesses.
Brian
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
And what kind of wood did they use for those carvings?? ;)
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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
And what kind of wood did they use for those carvings?? ;)
For the love of God, don't say it!!!!!!!!
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For the love of God, don't say it!!!!!!!!
Amboina Burl from Southeast Asia... ;D
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This thread should be proof to all nooBs that one can't go wrong with an Oil or KiPass related thread (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
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I can't speak for the others Boomer, but I read it twice. :o
I read it twice too.... had to because the English was so horrible!
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Amboina Amboyna Burl from Southeast Asia... ;D
Who mentions the wood that should never be mentioned? Fixed it for you, BTW. You never know who's going to be summoned when you mention that name.
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And I never even saw this one coming.
I will see your Amboyna Burl and raise you one KiPass....
Brian
Amboina Burl from Southeast Asia... ;D
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And I never even saw this one coming.
I will see your Amboyna Burl and raise you one KiPass....
Brian
Yerboyna KiPass!? :o
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Yerboyna KiPass!? :o
:yikes:
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Amboina Burl from Southeast Asia... ;D
>:( :o :)
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I spoke with a fella named Dan and he said to come in with my other fob so they know which card to order. He still thinks all it contains is a spare key and will not do anything else. He asked when I get it in to get with him and show him what it is supposed to do. Ridenow in Ocala, Fl. is not a small dealership. They are being polite and helpful about the situation, so I have not any complaints. I just have to get down there. Right now I am waiting on Ryan to call me so I can order a set of crashbars on the group buy. Probably will be tomorrow before I get down there. I will post my results.
I just bought my 2011 last November and went through the same thing. It amazes me that we have to tell (convince) dealers of this other credit card type of fob. Long story short, they misplaced the credit card fob and didn't realize that it was a backup key. They ended up finding it and got it to me.
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Talked with the owner Lyle, and he had them order it for me. Talked with him about my issue while in Daytona. He gave me his card with his personal cell number, so he can be contacted if I need something and I am not getting the service I need. So while it is inconvenient, they appear to be doing what it takes to resolve this issue.
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FOB's are good (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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FOB's are good (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
:thumbs: Can't have too many FOB's
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FOB's are good (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Love the FOB! ;D