How many Fobs

[VirginiaJim]

 

[ZG]

I thought that your back hurts before you even get started?

 

[Gumby]

That is something of a miss- statement: fobs do not contain an immobilizer function, that is in the bike. The fobs simply allow an override of the immobilizer function.

The way the credit card works is that the ignition switch housing interrogates the card and if the card has the proper code, it unlocks the bike. The thicker fob is different in that it can actually produce radio waves and communicate with the bike from several feet away. The credit card fob has to be close to that housing to work- something like less than one inch away. The credit card fob is less expensive to purchase and that is why Kawasaki started using them on later models.

Brian

Thank you

[Axxman]

And here I was going to say it was magic...I've got to be quicker.

 

[Rhino]

Where's Steve to tell us about the mad power of KIPASS?

[wendel]

Thanks for the clarification and where to find it on the website for Kawasaki. We looked at the site while at the dealerhip but, we did not know exactly where to look. I will call in the morning. Just got off duty. Goodnight everyone.

[wendel]

Called my dealer and they are calling Kawasaki. Seem no one there has heard anything about it before me. The technicians or someone must be throwing them away. I wonder how many C14s they have sold without the cards.

[Conrad]

Called my dealer and they are calling Kawasaki. Seem no one there has heard anything about it before me. The technicians or someone must be throwing them away. I wonder how many C14s they have sold without the cards.

 

[B.D.F.]

If that is really happening, it is almost beyond belief. Good thing we are talking about C-14 fobs here because if it was an auto dealership the dumpster would probably be full of dem dare 'extra' (spare) tires and wheels the new cars came with.

To be fair, KiPass is limited to C-14s only and it is a new thing for everyone, including the dealers. Add to that the fact that few dealers sell very many C-14's and so do not really learn much about them. At the rate this seems to be progressing, Kawi dealerships are not going to be familiar with KiPass until sometime in the middle of the century.

Brian

Called my dealer and they are calling Kawasaki. Seem no one there has heard anything about it before me. The technicians or someone must be throwing them away. I wonder how many C14s they have sold without the cards.

[nico]

My 2012 came with two things: 1) a fob that only needs to be near the bike to unlock the ignition, and also has a physical key that you can slide out, and 2) a little plastic case with a physical key in it. Is item #2 what everyone's calling the 'credit card' fob? It looks nothing like a credit card. It's about 2.25"long, 1.25" wide, and about the thickness of two quarters.

[Ddfee]

I got the same as nico...but armed with the newly acquired knowledge I read in this thread... I took the piece of plastic that houses the spare key...touched it to the small rectangle, block, thingy majig, on the front side of the ignition and holy cow, will wonders never cease, it bypassed the ignition lock out and allowed the the ignition to work.

Thx for the info!

D

[maxtog]

Called my dealer and they are calling Kawasaki. Seem no one there has heard anything about it before me. The technicians or someone must be throwing them away. I wonder how many C14s they have sold without the cards.

OMG, I hope they are not that clueless!  They are clearly pictured in all the documentation.  If they ARE throwing them away, it is going to cost the dealership a lot of money    In all fairness, though, if they are a small dealership.... the Concours is an expensive bike and they might not ever see many of them.

Anyway, I would hardly call the passive fob a "card", since it is NOTHING like a credit card (stupid marketing term crap).  It's dimensions are 1 1/8" x 2 x 3/16"  (30x52x5).  A credit card is 2 1/8" x 3 5/16" x 1/32" (54x85x1).  So the passive fob is more than 5 times thicker, yet almost 3 times smaller than a credit card.

The 2008-2009 Concours comes with two active fobs.
The 2010-2012 Concours comes with one active fob and one passive fob.

Both contain physical ignition/tank/bag keys.  The active fob has a battery and an active RFID that broadcasts a signal that can be picked up by the bike and ALSO has a passive RFID that can be used if the battery goes dead.  The passive fob has no battery and just a passive RFID.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rfid#Operation

[wendel]

I spoke with a fella named Dan and he said to come in with my other fob so they know which card to order. He still thinks all it contains is a spare key and will not do anything else. He asked when I get it in to get with him and show him what it is supposed to do. Ridenow in Ocala, Fl. is not a small dealership. They are being polite and helpful about the situation, so I have not any complaints. I just have to get down there. Right now I am waiting on Ryan to call me so I can order a set of crashbars on the group buy. Probably will be tomorrow before I get down there. I will post my results.

[backoutonthehighway]

I spoke with a fella named Dan and he said to come in with my other fob so they know which card to order. He still thinks all it contains is a spare key and will not do anything else. He asked when I get it in to get with him and show him what it is supposed to do. Ridenow in Ocala, Fl. is not a small dealership. They are being polite and helpful about the situation, so I have not any complaints. I just have to get down there. Right now I am waiting on Ryan to call me so I can order a set of crashbars on the group buy. Probably will be tomorrow before I get down there. I will post my results.

Couple of other small details that might be of use to someone else in this thread:

There are two parts to the spare "credit card" fob: The plastic housing with the chip and the key that fits inside. You have to order both. Cost me about $40 for the fob and then when it came without the key, another $15 for the key blank. Then, since my dealer is new to Kaw, it is taking weeks to actually get the fob programmed to the bike.  At this time, the best guess is that I have to have the main fob for the dealer to program the small one.

Also, since Kaw, in all their wisdom has A & B key blanks, you actually have to have the key in hand when you call to order the set.

Good luck!

[Conrad]

I spoke with a fella named Dan and he said to come in with my other fob so they know which card to order. He still thinks all it contains is a spare key and will not do anything else. He asked when I get it in to get with him and show him what it is supposed to do. Ridenow in Ocala, Fl. is not a small dealership. They are being polite and helpful about the situation, so I have not any complaints. I just have to get down there. Right now I am waiting on Ryan to call me so I can order a set of crashbars on the group buy. Probably will be tomorrow before I get down there. I will post my results.

You may run into some difficulties with Dan if he thinks that all the 'CC' fob does is hold another key. Dan is going to have to program the bike to recognize the new fob. See the attachment for some detail, you may want to print it out and take it to Dan. The programming for the 'CC' fob is slightly different than the full sized fob, one step is not needed for the 'CC' fob. Again, see the attachment.

Since they seem to be clueless about this you had better tell him NOT to throw away the code numbers that come on the package of the new fob, without that number he can toss the new fob in the dumpster too.

Correction. The 'CC' fob may not need the code numbers since all it does is deactivate the immoblizer. Brian knows more about this.

[stevewfl]

FOBs are almighty pow-ah, the 'mo the bettuh!

They can make plastic smile.

[Boomer]

I know that some people are literarily challenged but does nobody on here READ THE OWNERS MANUAL? 
It's all in there in black on white. Admittedly some of it is a bit Jap-lish but its pretty good mostly.
Take some time to read it and you'll be amazed at what you may learn about the object you just paid $$$$ for.

[Conrad]

I know that some people are literarily challenged but does nobody on here READ THE OWNERS MANUAL? 
It's all in there in black on white. Admittedly some of it is a bit Jap-lish but its pretty good mostly.
Take some time to read it and you'll be amazed at what you may learn about the object you just paid $$$$ for.

I can't speak for the others Boomer, but I read it twice.   

[VirginiaJim]

Me too.

[B.D.F.]

Flipping past the pages in the hope of finding some hidden stick figure pornography does NOT constitute 'reading the manual'. And doing the same thing backwards does not mean 'reading it twice'.

<chuckle>

Brian

I can't speak for the others Boomer, but I read it twice.