Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Rhino on September 23, 2013, 10:44:25 AM
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Throttle snatch, no big deal is what I used to think. But then I started paying attention to what I was doing coming out of a corner and I was taking a long time to come up on the throttle if I wanted smooth delivery. Installed a Throttle Tamer from G2ergo.com and what a difference. Coming up on the throttle very smooth is MUCH easier. I highly recommend this farkle.
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+1 One of my first additions.
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- can the OE heated grips work with this setup ?
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- can the OE heated grips work with this setup ?
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Yes!
I've had the G2 on my 2011 for well over a year now with no issues. ;)
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+3 After I installed mine, way back when, I said that the bike should come from the factory this way.
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- thanks for the info there. Have always had trouble with fine throttle control at lower throttle openings ,
- ie its jerky at low throttle openings.
- does this alleviate it ?
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The tamer and properly adjusted cables is as good as it gets.
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- thanks for the info there. Have always had trouble with fine throttle control at lower throttle openings ,
- ie its jerky at low throttle openings.
- does this alleviate it ?
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YES
And as others have said, no problem with the OE heated grips. Took me about 20 min to install.
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[And as others have said, no problem with the OE heated grips. Took me about 20 min to install.
Question for you on the OEM heated grips....is the element molded into the rubber or is there an inner sleeve?
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[And as others have said, no problem with the OE heated grips. Took me about 20 min to install.
Question for you on the OEM heated grips....is the element molded into the rubber or is there an inner sleeve?
Molded in. You just have to carefully separate the rubber from the OE plastic throttle tube. Some have had good success with an air needle. I use a garage door opener visor clip, straightened and slightly curved (see below). Lub it with WD40 and slide it in between the grip and the throttle tube and work it all the way around..
(http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/sreinschmidt/gripremovetool.jpg)
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Thanks for the information..
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It's now been on the bike almost a week and I'm loving it. I forget sometimes and it surprises me. I'm slowly opening the throttle expecting the snatch and it is smooth as silk. Then I remember...
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It's now been on the bike almost a week and I'm loving it. I forget sometimes and it surprises me. I'm slowly opening the throttle expecting the snatch and it is smooth as silk. Then I remember...
I want it!!!
I am just unwilling to mess with the grips. Too afraid I will ruin it. :(
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Will this work with the Helibars st's I am gonna order??
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Should be no problem.
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Will this work with the Helibars st's I am gonna order??
Yep, I have Horizon ST bars from Helibars. Makes no difference to the throttle tube.
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I want it!!!
I am just unwilling to mess with the grips. Too afraid I will ruin it. :(
It's really not a problem. Just get a long thin piece of metal and some WD40. Take your time and work it between the rubber and the throttle tube. In a few minutes the grip will be off. I use silicon goop to glue it back on to the new tube. I put it inside the grip, not the outside of the tube. That way none ends up inside the assembly to gum it up. Then remove any excess at the end before reinstalling the end weight. Seriously, I spent about 20 min installing it.
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I see on there web site multiple cam profile choices for the tamer....did you just go with what comes as standard or did you use a different one? Want to make sure I am ordering the right one. Thanks
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alright then,, thanks guys!!
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I see on there web site multiple cam profile choices for the tamer....did you just go with what comes as standard or did you use a different one? Want to make sure I am ordering the right one. Thanks
I thought that they only had one for our bikes? I just tried to check their website but it seems to be down right now.
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I see on there web site multiple cam profile choices for the tamer....did you just go with what comes as standard or did you use a different one? Want to make sure I am ordering the right one. Thanks
My understanding is that the multi cam system is for racing and some of the cams are actually more aggressive. The "tamer" is a different product and only one model for our bike. As Conrad said the site seems to be down or I would post the link to the exact product I bought.
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My understanding is that the multi cam system is for racing and some of the cams are actually more aggressive. The "tamer" is a different product and only one model for our bike. As Conrad said the site seems to be down or I would post the link to the exact product I bought.
Yep, they only make one 'Tamer' that works on our bikes.
http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/ (http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/)
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Thanks guy's.
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Yep, they only make one 'Tamer' that works on our bikes.
http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/ (http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/)
I'm finally set in getting this thing. So after yesterday's glitch with their site, I finally got to it and they seem to offer yet another option called Quick Turn Throttle Tube. Anybody knows something about it?
I'm intersted in decreasing the angle of rotation of the grip that is necessary to achieve full throttle, but I think that increasing the cam radius will also increase the effort that has to be applied. Thoughts?
Besides, does this Quick Turn variant include the "taming" function?
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I'm finally set in getting this thing. So after yesterday's glitch with their site, I finally got to it and they seem to offer yet another option called Quick Turn Throttle Tube. Anybody knows something about it?
I'm intersted in decreasing the angle of rotation of the grip that is necessary to achieve full throttle, but I think that increasing the cam radius will also increase the effort that has to be applied. Thoughts?
Besides, does this Quick Turn variant include the "taming" function?
Where did you see this on their site Martin?
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I'm finally set in getting this thing
Damnit. OK, I ordered one now too. Maybe my friend can help install it one day.
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It's easy, just use an X-acto knife to cut the heated grips off and yer done. I can be down there to help in short order. ::)
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It's easy, just use an X-acto knife to cut the heated grips off and yer done. I can be down there to help in short order. ::)
:yikes:
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I take it that's a no, eh? :rotflmao:
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It's easy, just use an X-acto knife to cut the heated grips off and yer done. I can be down there to help in short order. ::)
Take your Canyon Cages with you Jim, mayhaps Max can help you install em? :stirpot:
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:rotflmao:
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Take your Canyon Cages with you Jim, mayhaps Max can help you install em? :stirpot:
LOL!
Yeah, that was "fun"
You know he won't install them until AFTER he drops the bike...
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That really is on the slate for this fall. With all the work I've been doing, everything is being pushed back, although I did adjust my suspension and put my heavier bar ends back on this past weekend.
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That really is on the slate for this fall. With all the work I've been doing, everything is being pushed back, although I did adjust my suspension and put my heavier bar ends back on this past weekend.
why's that, Jim? and what's the effect?
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For the vibration I've been getting on the right side. I don't know if it has helped or not as I haven't been out on the bike since I put them back on. I'll know this week as I may have some clients that I'll ride out to if the weather cooperates.
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My Throttle Tamer arrived yesterday. The packaging had the wrong bike listed (some 650 thing) so I had to call, but they said it was just a labeling mistake- that 650 uses the same end cam as the Concours, although the tube is different (and would be red).
Maybe I will attempt to install it after Jim installs his Canyons.....
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In other words...ain't gonna happen?
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:rotflmao:
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Darn this site telling me about products I didn't even know I needed! Just placed an order, I have noticed the jerkiness of the throttle before but was just living with it. BTW, you can order it off Amazon for $64 shipped in the US: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031742QC/ref=ox_ya_os_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031742QC/ref=ox_ya_os_product) but only a few left in stock.
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Darn this site telling me about products I didn't even know I needed! Just placed an order, I have noticed the jerkiness of the throttle before but was just living with it. BTW, you can order it off Amazon for $64 shipped in the US: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031742QC/ref=ox_ya_os_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031742QC/ref=ox_ya_os_product) but only a few left in stock.
Please note that listing does not show the correct cam for the Concours application, which is SF4. Of course, it looks like there are many listings on there, all with the same photo and "400" Cam with just the "Application" changed. Rather confusing.
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Where did you see this on their site Martin?
Conrad, sorry, I missed your question at the bottom of the page. I found the answer to my question anyway :)
That part is not for the C14 :battle:
Oh! and I just ordered the right one ;D
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Ordered my throttle tamer and installed it last weekend. Went for a short ride and the improvement on throttle control was felt immediately. Can't go wrong with this farkle. Highly recommended. Also ordered a pair of their Domino grips, and turned out to be really nice.
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Darn this site telling me about products I didn't even know I needed! Just placed an order, I have noticed the jerkiness of the throttle before but was just living with it. BTW, you can order it off Amazon for $64 shipped in the US: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031742QC/ref=ox_ya_os_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031742QC/ref=ox_ya_os_product) but only a few left in stock.
Was this the correct tamer for the Concours that you got off of Amazon? I would rather order from Amazon cause it's free shipping, and $16 cheaper.
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Was this the correct tamer for the Concours that you got off of Amazon? I would rather order from Amazon cause it's free shipping, and $16 cheaper.
I haven't installed mine yet, but the packaging is labeled correctly and stamped F4 on the cam and the instructions say for application for various Kawasaki motorcycles so I'm 99% its the right one.
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I did not know this was something that I needed, but after reading some reviews and all of the your comments here I had to go ahead and order one up.
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That really is on the slate for this fall. With all the work I've been doing, everything is being pushed back, although I did adjust my suspension and put my heavier bar ends back on this past weekend.
Your virtual guilt trip ;)
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I did not know this was something that I needed, but after reading some reviews and all of the your comments here I had to go ahead and order one up.
Keep me posted on this Gumby... :popcorn: :chugbeer:
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I did not know this was something that I needed, but after reading some reviews and all of the your comments here I had to go ahead and order one up.
Yeah, mine is still sitting in the garage waiting for the right time to be installed. I have heard nothing but positive stuff about it.
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Max, Do you feel the throttle tamer is still needed with the Guhl flash? or needed more due to the engine response?
I had one on my 2011 and it seemed to help. I don't seem to be having the same throttle snatchy-ness on my 2012.
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Max, Do you feel the throttle tamer is still needed with the Guhl flash? or needed more due to the engine response?
I had one on my 2011 and it seemed to help. I don't seem to be having the same throttle snatchy-ness on my 2012.
I have a Guhl flash and still found the tamer made a big difference.
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Max, Do you feel the throttle tamer is still needed with the Guhl flash? or needed more due to the engine response?
You know, that is an excellent question and I was wondering the same thing at first. Theoretically, they do two entirely different things. Ironically, it seems like the Ghul flash *does* help a little with the throttle control, for reasons I can't quite explain. But it doesn't get rid of most of the "snatchiness".
I had one on my 2011 and it seemed to help. I don't seem to be having the same throttle snatchy-ness on my 2012.
I suspect that is just your getting used to it, not that there is any difference. Your throttle cables might be adjusted a bit differently between the two, but the 2010/2011/12/13/14 are absolutely identical in every way that matters. It is funny, even after having the bike for almost 3 years, I still have some issues with the throttle. I always feel very unsure and timid in low gears and when pulling off because it seems so unpredictable and hypersensitive (compared to all other older bikes I have ridden). And that is what I hope the throttle tamer will correct.
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I suspect that is just your getting used to it, not that there is any difference. Your throttle cables might be adjusted a bit differently between the two, but the 2010/2011/12/13/14 are absolutely identical in every way that matters. It is funny, even after having the bike for almost 3 years, I still have some issues with the throttle. I always feel very unsure and timid in low gears and when pulling off because it seems so unpredictable and hypersensitive (compared to all other older bikes I have ridden). And that is what I hope the throttle tamer will correct.
I adjusted my 2011 all the time trying to get it to smooth out. No dice...and even with the Tamer it was better, but not great. Factory cable setting at the engine end and maintenance on the cables may play a part.
One thing that helped was when I added the Heli Horizon bars, and all pressure was taken off my hands. My 2012 does not have the Horizons, but does have a Laam seat that gets the pressure off my hands.
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I'm finally set in getting this thing. So after yesterday's glitch with their site, I finally got to it and they seem to offer yet another option called Quick Turn Throttle Tube. Anybody knows something about it?
I'm intersted in decreasing the angle of rotation of the grip that is necessary to achieve full throttle, but I think that increasing the cam radius will also increase the effort that has to be applied. Thoughts?
Besides, does this Quick Turn variant include the "taming" function?
I called The G2 tech support and talked to Gary about decreasing the angle of the rotation. He said there were options available so he sent (had to buy it, same price as the tamer) me the k100 cam which is 20 degrees less turn than stock. Put it on and everything fits ok, no clearance issues. I can go full throttle without having to re grip! I'm absolutely loving this thing. This is whole new bike now! It's much more aggressive feeling. So when I blip it the same amount as before to pass a car I'm going faster and getting there quicker than before. I was afraid it was too much when I first started riding with it but I was able to get used to it pretty quickly. Worried that I'd give it too much too fast while in traffic. No worries at all. I've got 300 miles on it and I'm still grinning. Called Gary again 815-535-3236 to see if I could try even steeper versions. They're going to send an 050 cam (10% less turn than the 100) and an 025 (20% less turn than the 100). I'll let you know how they work.
Once you have the Tamer you can play around with the different cams. The cams are $25 a piece and you'll want to call Gary to make sure you're getting the correct one.
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I called The G2 tech support and talked to Gary about decreasing the angle of the rotation. He said there were options available so he sent (had to buy it, same price as the tamer) me the k100 cam which is 20 degrees less turn than stock. Put it on and everything fits ok, no clearance issues. I can go full throttle without having to re grip! I'm absolutely loving this thing. This is whole new bike now! It's much more aggressive feeling. So when I blip it the same amount as before to pass a car I'm going faster and getting there quicker than before. I was afraid it was too much when I first started riding with it but I was able to get used to it pretty quickly. Worried that I'd give it too much too fast while in traffic. No worries at all. I've got 300 miles on it and I'm still grinning. Called Gary again 815-535-3236 to see if I could try even steeper versions. They're going to send an 050 cam (10% less turn than the 100) and an 025 (20% less turn than the 100). I'll let you know how they work.
Once you have the Tamer you can play around with the different cams. The cams are $25 a piece and you'll want to call Gary to make sure you're getting the correct one.
Can you change the cam without taking the grip off again?
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You have to remove the grip. There's really nothing to that. I'll take some pics next time.
You DO NOT have to remove the grip to change the cams. Loosen the throttle cables, remove 4 screws and replace the cam. Couldn't be easier.
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Can you change the cam without taking the grip off again?
That was exactly my question...
You have to remove the grip. There's really nothing to that. I'll take some pics next time.
cr@p... :-\
but ever since I toyed with an HP4 I love the small angle you have to rotate the grip to access the power. The C14 is a big girl but nothing to be ashamed of, even compared to the beemer. But having to re-grip to get her really moving has started to bother me... I think I'll get that K100 cam.
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cr@p... :-\
but ever since I toyed with an HP4 I love the small angle you have to rotate the grip to access the power. The C14 is a big girl but nothing to be ashamed of, even compared to the beemer. But having to re-grip to get her really moving has started to bother me... I think I'll get that K100 cam.
You won't regret it. Get ready because it really wakes the bike up.
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You won't regret it. Get ready because it really wakes the bike up.
do this other cams (100 and 050 and so on) have the "tamer" function too?
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I finally got around to installing my tamer (normal cam - not one of the special ones others have mentioed) and wow what a difference. It really does do a great job smoothing out the throttle and installation was very easy.
Putting a new grip on the new tube took seconds since it was off the bike so I could take it inside and put the grip in boiling water to loosen it up and then slip it on with no resistance. Installing the cam itself was just removing the two screws holding the throttle together and loosening the throttle cables to get enough free play to unhook the stock and hook up the new one and then re-tighenting them. For some reason I thought this would be more involved, but it was super easy and super quick.
As a side bonus (well maybe not bonus, but one less thing to mess with) is the throttle tamer lined up perfectly with my throttlemeister so I no longer needed the shim that was required on the stock throttle tube.
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do this other cams (100 and 050 and so on) have the "tamer" function too?
No they dont have that function but I dont think its needed with those cams.
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No they dont have that function but I dont think its needed with those cams.
really? :o you don't feel that off/on jerkiness with those cams? why?
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really? :o you don't feel that off/on jerkiness with those cams? why?
It's like it's just on now. The shorter rotation means more throttle than the same position as before. It's more aggressive feeling and it's just GO! Maybe somebody else can describe it better.
A lot of the jerkiness went away when I had it dyno tuned.
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The 025 cam works but might be too aggressive for me. I'll throw on the 050 tonight and take a little ride.
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Replaced the 025 with the 050 and took about 5 minutes. There are 4 screws and the 6mm bolt for the bar end. The last two pictures are throttle closed and wide open.
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more pics
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even more
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I don't understand so many people feeling the throttle is jerky as decribed. My biggest issue from first riding this bike (as I only have a few hundred miles so far on this one) was the clutch release came on very late and a bit abrupt and jumping from one bike to another kind of highlighted this point. However the more I get used to riding the Connie the more I have become familar with the clutch and now I have adjusted my technique and it seems to pull smoothly with no jerkiness, hesitation, or jumping off the line.
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Most of the 'jerkiness is is fixed by properly adjusting the throttle cables. The Tamer is the icing on the cake for me.
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Well my bike does have some miles on it (30K) so possibly if it ever had that issue might have been addressed by previous owner.
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I don't understand so many people feeling the throttle is jerky as decribed. My biggest issue from first riding this bike (as I only have a few hundred miles so far on this one) was the clutch release came on very late and a bit abrupt and jumping from one bike to another kind of highlighted this point. However the more I get used to riding the Connie the more I have become familar with the clutch and now I have adjusted my technique and it seems to pull smoothly with no jerkiness, hesitation, or jumping off the line.
I have adjusted my cables and it has been three years and I still don't like the throttle. No problem at all with the clutch.
I think the stock throttle comes on too "much/hot and fast", making it very difficult to control this powerful and heavy bike at very low speeds when I need fine throttle control. Especially true in contrast to any other bike I have ridden. I have gotten more used to it, but never fully OK with it. I bought a Throttle Tamer several months ago and I am STILL waiting for the correct opportunity to install it...
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I don't understand so many people feeling the throttle is jerky as decribed. My biggest issue from first riding this bike (as I only have a few hundred miles so far on this one) was the clutch release came on very late and a bit abrupt and jumping from one bike to another kind of highlighted this point. However the more I get used to riding the Connie the more I have become familar with the clutch and now I have adjusted my technique and it seems to pull smoothly with no jerkiness, hesitation, or jumping off the line.
Well my bike does have some miles on it (30K) so possibly if it ever had that issue might have been addressed by previous owner.
So you bought your bike used and have no problems with throttle snatch? Are you sure that the previous owner didn't install a Throttle Tamer?
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I did not know this was something that I needed, but after reading some reviews and all of the your comments here I had to go ahead and order one up.
Like I said, I did not know this was something I needed, but after all the raving about it I went ahead and spent the $65.
I'm not impressed, I can't tell any difference. My advice, unless you are having a problem with your throttle save your money.
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Like I said, I did not know this was something I needed, but after all the raving about it I went ahead and spent the $65.
I'm not impressed, I can't tell any difference. My advice, unless you are having a problem with your throttle save your money.
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agreed. If it ain't broken, don't touch it. Unfortunately, that off/on transition drives me mad... :-\
I don't understand so many people feeling the throttle is jerky as decribed. My biggest issue from first riding this bike (as I only have a few hundred miles so far on this one) was the clutch release came on very late and a bit abrupt and jumping from one bike to another kind of highlighted this point. However the more I get used to riding the Connie the more I have become familar with the clutch and now I have adjusted my technique and it seems to pull smoothly with no jerkiness, hesitation, or jumping off the line.
there's nothing wrong with off-the-line nor the clutch in my bike. Drive 50 mph on a straight road, 5th gear, steady. Close and open the gas, nothing crazy but quick. Bike will "cough". Not seen on other (properly done) FI bikes.
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Like I said, I did not know this was something I needed, but after all the raving about it I went ahead and spent the $65.
I'm not impressed, I can't tell any difference. My advice, unless you are having a problem with your throttle save your money.
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I did notice a difference in my bike and it was money very well spent for me.
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I bought a Throttle Tamer several months ago and I am STILL waiting for the correct opportunity to install it...
Hell must have frozen over.... I have it installed! My friend did most of the work (he is a mechanic)... the Grip Puppy was hard to get off. The stock grip was not terribly easy, we used the air compressor method and a screwdriver. It is e kinda glued on. Getting the stock grip back on was a lot harder than getting it off, since the Tamer has a textured surface. But the whole thing probably took us (mostly him) about 20 minutes, tops.
Got on and rode around the neighborhood with stops and tight turns- wow what a difference! SO much easier to control now at low throttle/speed. Very much worth it.
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Bike will "cough". Not seen on other (properly done) FI bikes.
I experience this "cough" at low RPM, mainly when the engine isnt fully warmed up, but sometimes when its warm too.
I honestly think my issue could be more related to TB sync... Yeah its a new bike, but people are human and make mistakes. Couldnt hurt to check... That or theres actually an error in the fuel mapping in the ECU. (Be it for EPA purposes or just an un-fixed mistake at the factory)
What leads me to believe its a TB sync issue, is my ninja 650 did the same thing ALL the time. If you held it between 2500 and 3000 RPMs it would surge like a mofo. I did a well documented modification to the TBs to connect them with a vacuum line to the pulse sensor (from the factory only one cylinder was connected to the pulse sensor), and that solved it. (In 2012 they did this from the factory)
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I wish I knew what a pulse sensor is :-[
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Hell must have frozen over.... I have it installed! My friend did most of the work (he is a mechanic)... the Grip Puppy was hard to get off. The stock grip was not terribly easy, we used the air compressor method and a screwdriver. It is e kinda glued on. Getting the stock grip back on was a lot harder than getting it off, since the Tamer has a textured surface. But the whole thing probably took us (mostly him) about 20 minutes, tops.
Got on and rode around the neighborhood with stops and tight turns- wow what a difference! SO much easier to control now at low throttle/speed. Very much worth it.
When putting rubber grip back on spray hair spray or corm starch for lube.
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When putting rubber grip back on spray hair spray or corm starch for lube.
Hopefully won't be doing THAT again for a very long time, if ever!
One thing I forgot to mention, the throttle action feels much smoother now, too. I can only attribute that to the higher quality throttle tube instead of that OEM plastic one.
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When putting rubber grip back on spray hair spray or corm starch for lube.
I used the air from my compressor and it worked like a charm.
Corn starch?
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Good OLD corn starch, they use to use corn starch spray on clothes when they iron them, If I'm going to sand fiberglass , I cover up ( of course) then spray corn starch around my neck and wrists the area that is exposed to prevent those little sharp particals from getting into my pores. Hair spray has better stick ;)
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I'm new to the bike, have never seen the bars under the grips, am interested in putting these on but terrified that I'd screw up the grip heater.
How did you guys get around that?
Also, the BEST way to get rubber grips on (or grip puppies on over the grips) is gel shaving cream. Put a little in the inside of the grip and it slides right on (maybe a ten second install if you're slow), when it dries it serves as a cement as well. (I worked as a bicycle mechanic for years)
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I'm new to the bike, have never seen the bars under the grips, am interested in putting these on but terrified that I'd screw up the grip heater.
How did you guys get around that?
I was scared too. As it turns out, the heating element is 100% encased in the the rubber grip. It is not a separate sleeve or exposed wires or element or anything. I wish I had taken some photos, sorry.
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Do the throttle cables have to be adjusted after installing the throttle tamer? Also, has anybody tried to file the stock throttle tube say with a Dremel, to mimic the initial reduced radius of the throttle tamer cam?
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You will have to loosen the throttle cables to get the old one out, then tighten it back up when you're done.
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Do the throttle cables have to be adjusted after installing the throttle tamer?
As mentioned, you have to adjust them to get the old tube off and new one on. No big whoop
Also, has anybody tried to file the stock throttle tube say with a Dremel, to mimic the initial reduced radius of the throttle tamer cam?
It is soft, thin-walled plastic. I don't think it is possible.
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I guesstimated from pics of the 400 cam on the Throttle Tamer how much to shave from the stock throttle tube. The first pic shows a line drawn with a Sharpie to guide the reduction. The second pic shows (in an unfortunate autofocus) the end result. The throttle tube is about 7 mm thick at max radius and 4.9mm thick at min radius. The cam lobes were not affected in any way, so the structural integrity should be uncompromised.
In my opinion this was a simple and very effective mod. BTW, I had picked up a used throttle tube with grip attached, from eBay, just in case things went south. :)
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'In my opinion this was a simple and very effective mod'
Have you tried it to confirm?
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I guesstimated from pics of the 400 cam on the Throttle Tamer how much to shave from the stock throttle tube. The first pic shows a line drawn with a Sharpie to guide the reduction. The second pic shows (in an unfortunate autofocus) the end result. The throttle tube is about 7 mm thick at max radius and 4.9mm thick at min radius. The cam lobes were not affected in any way, so the structural integrity should be uncompromised.
In my opinion this was a simple and very effective mod. BTW, I had picked up a used throttle tube with grip attached, from eBay, just in case things went south. :)
Here's the stocker and the Throttle Tamer side by side. I don't think that you can make the stocker do what the TT does.
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'In my opinion this was a simple and very effective mod'
Have you tried it to confirm?
Yes. Couldn't call it effective unless it worked. :)
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Here's the stocker and the Throttle Tamer side by side. I don't think that you can make the stocker do what the TT does.
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Interesting. The cam on your Tamer seems to have a channel? I went with the pics of the 400 cam on the 40-4F-36K tamer listed as appropriate for the Connie 14. And it works.
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Interesting. The cam on your Tamer seems to have a channel? I went with the pics of the 400 cam on the 40-4F-36K tamer listed as appropriate for the Connie 14. And it works.
Yes, it has a channel and this is the TT listed as fitting my bike, works great!
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Yes, it has a channel and this is the TT listed as fitting my bike, works great!
I'm really glad that we were both able to arrive at satisfactory solutions. I'm also relieved about not having to deal with the grips, corn starch, hairspray, etc. :chugbeer:
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I guesstimated from pics of the 400 cam on the Throttle Tamer how much to shave from the stock throttle tube. The first pic shows a line drawn with a Sharpie to guide the reduction. The second pic shows (in an unfortunate autofocus) the end result. The throttle tube is about 7 mm thick at max radius and 4.9mm thick at min radius. The cam lobes were not affected in any way, so the structural integrity should be uncompromised.
I did the "sanmo" mod today, easy pezy.
I used your pics for my guide, sharpie and all, thanks for sharing.
I only did a couple miles test ride, it started to rain.
I could not feel any difference in throttle response on my short ride.
I guess the jury is still out on how effective a mod this is? (at least the price was right :D)
We'll know better tomorrow after a couple hour ride. :thumbs:
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On the other Forum, SilverConnieRider did something similar to Sanmo.
But, instead of removing a section of the cam lobe, he cut a groove.
Ride safe, Ted
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Yup I just joined this forum so I will post the images that I posted on the other forum
so you will know what connie_rider is referring to.
I choose to go this route as it cost me nothing (FREE :chugbeer:) other then about an hour worth of work.
I wanted to sneak up on it AND I knew that I could always come back and do more.
After about a month of using it this way I feel it really helped to tame the throttle so as of right now
I haven't done any more to it.
I used a small round file. It creates a fair amount of plastic dust so I vacuumed often
to keep the shavings/dust from falling onto the cable or throttle housing etc.
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Readytakephotos/Grove%20Filed%20Throttle%20_zpsnrjj3bvf.jpg) (http://s1100.photobucket.com/user/Readytakephotos/media/Grove%20Filed%20Throttle%20_zpsnrjj3bvf.jpg.html)
Here you can see the cable sits in the groove and not on top of what was there stock.
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Readytakephotos/Grove%20with%20cable%20in%20it_zpsgmwmsgpj.jpg) (http://s1100.photobucket.com/user/Readytakephotos/media/Grove%20with%20cable%20in%20it_zpsgmwmsgpj.jpg.html)
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Nice job SCR, I may do this to the trike.
I assume you cut a grove both sides, so the run equally?
Richard
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Nice job SCR, I may do this to the trike.
It is interesting....
I assume you cut a grove both sides, so the run equally?
Now THAT is a good question...
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I do not know what the other poster did nor am I answering for him / her but.... there is no need to grove the other side as that is not the actuating or pulling side of the cable set. The return cable will go slightly slack while the throttle tube is rotated such that the cable is actually in that groove but it does not matter; all the slack will be on the return side that is not actually used unless the throttle were to stick and need to be manually closed. Put another way, unless the throttle malfunctions or binds, there is no need or use for the second (return) cable- it is there as a fail safe mechanism only. Way back in the olden days, motorcycles only had the number of cables they actually used- one. ;D
Brian
It is interesting....
Now THAT is a good question...
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I do not know what the other poster did nor am I answering for him / her but.... there is no need to grove the other side as that is not the actuating or pulling side of the cable set. The return cable will go slightly slack while the throttle tube is rotated such that the cable is actually in that groove but it does not matter; all the slack will be on the return side that is not actually used unless the throttle were to stick and need to be manually closed. Put another way, unless the throttle malfunctions or binds, there is no need or use for the second (return) cable- it is there as a fail safe mechanism only. Way back in the olden days, motorcycles only had the number of cables they actually used- one. ;D
Brian
^^^ Exactly.
No work done except what you see in the images.
I was only concerned with the pull (throttle opening less quickly at the beginning) and not about the return.
If you rode my bike and I didn't tell you that I did anything to the throttle unit, you would never know.
That is unless you noticed it was less abrupt - which is what I was going for.
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I just modified my throttle today as "Silver Connie Rider" did. Yes, it works!!! Saves money from buying a throttle tamer. It works fantastic!!!!! Thanks!
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Got on and rode around the neighborhood with stops and tight turns- wow what a difference! SO much easier to control now at low throttle/speed. Very much worth it.
One thing I forgot to mention, the throttle action feels much smoother now, too. I can only attribute that to the higher quality throttle tube instead of that OEM plastic one.
Just a post to say I am still very happy with this aftermarket product. It is still very smooth after almost two years and no issues. In another thread I recommended it as something to install if your tube is old and you need to take it apart to clean or mess with it. It is nice to have a metal tube and whatever they used for the wear surface (a white slippery area inside the tube) is still holding up nicely.
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Max... if the bike fueled properly from the beginning there would be no need for the throttle tamer. Steve
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Max... if the bike fueled properly from the beginning there would be no need for the throttle tamer. Steve
That is partially correct. But half the niceness of having the Tamer is that you get a high-quality metal tube to replace the stock plastic one and the metal one is so much smoother and less binding. It also has the advantage of being able to change out the cam for customizing different behavior quickly, easily, and inexpensively.
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That is partially correct. But half the niceness of having the Tamer is that you get a high-quality metal tube to replace the stock plastic one and the metal one is so much smoother and less binding. It also has the advantage of being able to change out the cam for customizing different behavior quickly, easily, and inexpensively.
The standard Throttle Tamer for our bikes does not have interchangeable cams, at least mine doesn't.
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The standard Throttle Tamer for our bikes does not have interchangeable cams, at least mine doesn't.
I am only aware of one Tamer model made by G2 and that is what I purchased. Did you get something different?? Just checked their site again to verify.
http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/ (http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/)
G2 Key Points:
* Machined from 6061 aluminum in the USA!
* Self-lubricating Delrin bushings at each end of tube eliminate aluminum-to-aluminum contact and provide an ultra-smooth feel.
* Included cam is removable and can be replaced with alternate cams (sold separately) to fine tune control.
* Fits inside the stock throttle housing to stock cables.
* Works with all known aftermarket cruise controls.
* Slide one of our Domino grips or your grip unto the Throttle Tamer.
* Installs in minutes!
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Max, did you look around the site? I saw at least three models.
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Yeah - 3 models, but only 1 of them smooths the throttle activation like what Maxtog describes - one of the others is just a "stock" tube made out of better materials, and the other does the opposite - shorter turn for snappier acceleration.
I'd have to check mine to be sure, but I think the actual cam part of the Tamer is a separate piece held onto the throttle tube with a set screw, and could probably be removed/replaced if desired. The photo on the site seems to confirm this...
On the site, there are different cams available : http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-cams/ (http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-cams/)
The write-up says that the one that comes with the "street tamer" model (the one I got and the one I thing Maxtog is referring to) comes with a 400 CAM – Approximately 20% smaller for first 1/2 of throttle rotation, then ramps to stock size.
Jamie
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I am only aware of one Tamer model made by G2 and that is what I purchased. Did you get something different?? Just checked their site again to verify.
http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/ (http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/)
G2 Key Points:
* Machined from 6061 aluminum in the USA!
* Self-lubricating Delrin bushings at each end of tube eliminate aluminum-to-aluminum contact and provide an ultra-smooth feel.
* Included cam is removable and can be replaced with alternate cams (sold separately) to fine tune control.
* Fits inside the stock throttle housing to stock cables.
* Works with all known aftermarket cruise controls.
* Slide one of our Domino grips or your grip unto the Throttle Tamer.
* Installs in minutes!
I purchased mine back in 11/2009 and at that time they did offer Tamers with replaceable cams but not for the C14. Here's a couple of pics of mine right after I installed it. Nothing replaceable there.
Click to zoom, go to details for a major zoom. You'll have to click it again and then for a MAJOR zoom click the lower right corner.
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Wouldn't that be a Lt. Colonel zoom? I mean, that's bigger than Major.
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Wouldn't that be a Lt. Colonel zoom? I mean, that's bigger than Major.
If you manage to find your way to the last and largest zoom level, that would be General Zoom.
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Max, did you look around the site? I saw at least three models.
Like Classvino said, there are three models, but only one is a "Tamer". The other two are the same tube but with a like-OEM cam and a more aggressive cam. The cams are are all interchangeable so it is just which cam is it coming with when you order it. There is no non-adjustable model (at least not in the past several years).
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I purchased mine back in 11/2009 and at that time they did offer Tamers with replaceable cams but not for the C14. Here's a couple of pics of mine right after I installed it. Nothing replaceable there.
Yeah, maybe they decided to offer only a single model several years ago. Makes sense, it is not like it costs more to make, and it means they stock less parts now and open another market for people buying additional cams. Everyone wins :)
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It also has the advantage of being able to change out the cam for customizing different behavior quickly, easily, and inexpensively.
I think I might need to modify the above. Looking at the design, it looks like replacing the cam requires complete disassembly again- With heated grips, I think that means grip removal, not just tube removal, since I don't think the cord is long enough to just remove the whole tube/grip assembly. So that wouldn't be "quickly" nor "easily" just "possible" and still reasonably cheap ($24 or something) :)
I was thinking about this if you had a G2 Tamer model already installed and later wanted to switch to the more "OEM/Stock" (non-Tamer) cam because you were going to flash with something like the newer "evolution" version of [Steve's] Shoodaben's ECU flash, which has more snatch control built-in. Using that flash WITH the Tamer cam would probably retard throttle response too much.
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I think I might need to modify the above. Looking at the design, it looks like replacing the cam requires complete disassembly again- With heated grips, I think that means grip removal, not just tube removal, since I don't think the cord is long enough to just remove the whole tube/grip assembly. So that wouldn't be "quickly" nor "easily" just "possible" and still reasonably cheap ($24 or something) :)
I was thinking about this if you had a G2 Tamer model already installed and later wanted to switch to the more "OEM/Stock" (non-Tamer) cam because you were going to flash with something like the newer "evolution" version of [Steve's] Shoodaben's ECU flash, which has more snatch control built-in. Using that flash WITH the Tamer cam would probably retard throttle response too much.
I'd like to know what Steve's take is on the use of a TT with his flash?
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I saw that from Steve. My question is how will the flash behave if I get it and already have a TT installed?
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I'd like to know what Steve's take is on the use of a TT with his flash?
I've released a new flash, the Evolution, which specifically addresses the need for mo betta' finite throttle control. In effect, no need for a throttle tamer because the ECU lets you get what you wanted from the throttle, not the off / on jolt of power when you are trying to feather in just a little power. Due to Kawasaki's mapping and general setup of the eCU that wasn't easy to accomplish, but it's done, and very effective. I haven't tried a throttle tamer with the Evolution flash, but I would be interested to do so for learning purposes. Over time I've had several folks report using a throttle tamer on the decel flash (same deal, they already had the TT) and they were very happy with the results. Steve
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I have one of the home made throttle tamers on my bike.
For some reason, my bike seems to have more drive line slack that others.
With the Decell Flash I noticed it the most in 5th and 6th gear when going from off throttle to on throttle.
Bugged me.... So, I installed my modded throttle.
The Tamer did away with about 50% of the thump I felt when rolling on the throttle.
I also talked to Steve about it and asked if he could do anything to help.
(Didn't know at the time that he was in-work on his new Evo Flash)
Recently he came out with the Evo Flash and I was fortunate enough to be one of his beta testers.
While designing the new flash, he had done as I asked and improved the initial surge when the injectors begin to fire...
Wow, what an improvement!!!
NOTE: I left the Tamer on as I was too lazy to take it off...
I'm keeping the Tamer as I think it helps control the power in low throttle openings.
I'll end with,,,
The Tamer works well with the Decell Flash.
If you have the tamer already, (and get the Evo Flash) keep it..
If you don't have a tamer already,,, spend your $$ on his new Flash!
I don't think the tamer is necessary with his new Flash. I'm too tight to spend the $$ for the little bit of improvement you will get.
I do think, the "free" Mod is worth doing to get that little bit of improved control over the first 25% of rotation.
Ride safe, Ted
PS: I've talked to Kawasaki about the slack in my drive line..
They seem to think it's within limits.
And now,, (with the Evo and the Tamer) they can't feel it...
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Ted, just to be clear, you did adjust almost all the slack out of your cables?
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Yes, adjusted for minimal slack.
I'm pretty particular about slack in my cables.
(That's another thing that bugs me).
Yea, I know,,, I'm too particular.
Ride safe, Ted
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Thanks Steve and Ted, that answers my questions.
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I saw that from Steve. My question is how will the flash behave if I get it and already have a TT installed?
I have a 'TT' (easy boys) and Steve's flash with no undo bad effects. In fact all I can say is that it was worth the money. Gas mileage went up a few mpg. More perceived power.
If you manage to find your way to the last and largest zoom level, that would be General Zoom.
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