Throttle Tamer, didn't know what I was missing

[kzkid]

I just modified my throttle today as "Silver Connie Rider" did.  Yes, it works!!!  Saves money from buying a throttle tamer.  It works fantastic!!!!!  Thanks!

[maxtog]

Got on and rode around the neighborhood with stops and tight turns- wow what a difference!  SO much easier to control now at low throttle/speed.  Very much worth it.

One thing I forgot to mention, the throttle action feels much smoother now, too.  I can only attribute that to the higher quality throttle tube instead of that OEM plastic one.

Just a post to say I am still very happy with this aftermarket product.  It is still very smooth after almost two years and no issues.  In another thread I recommended it as something to install if your tube is old and you need to take it apart to clean or mess with it.   It is nice to have a metal tube and whatever they used for the wear surface (a white slippery area inside the tube) is still holding up nicely.

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

Max... if the bike fueled properly from the beginning there would be no need for the throttle tamer. Steve

[maxtog]

Max... if the bike fueled properly from the beginning there would be no need for the throttle tamer. Steve

That is partially correct.  But half the niceness of having the Tamer is that you get a high-quality metal  tube to replace the stock plastic one and the metal one is so much smoother and less binding.  It also has the advantage of being able to change out the cam for customizing different behavior quickly, easily, and inexpensively.

[Conrad]

That is partially correct.  But half the niceness of having the Tamer is that you get a high-quality metal  tube to replace the stock plastic one and the metal one is so much smoother and less binding.  It also has the advantage of being able to change out the cam for customizing different behavior quickly, easily, and inexpensively.

The standard Throttle Tamer for our bikes does not have interchangeable cams, at least mine doesn't.

[maxtog]

The standard Throttle Tamer for our bikes does not have interchangeable cams, at least mine doesn't.

I am only aware of one Tamer model made by G2 and that is what I purchased.  Did you get something different??  Just checked their site again to verify.

http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/

G2 Key Points: 

* Machined from 6061 aluminum in the USA!
* Self-lubricating Delrin bushings at each end of tube eliminate aluminum-to-aluminum contact and provide an ultra-smooth feel.
* Included cam is removable and can be replaced with alternate cams (sold separately) to fine tune control.
* Fits inside the stock throttle housing to stock cables.
* Works with all known aftermarket cruise controls.
* Slide one of our Domino grips or your grip unto the Throttle Tamer.
* Installs in minutes!

[gPink]

Max, did you look around the site? I saw at least three models.

[Classvino]

Yeah - 3 models, but only 1 of them smooths the throttle activation like what Maxtog describes - one of the others is just a "stock" tube made out of better materials, and the other does the opposite - shorter turn for snappier acceleration.

I'd have to check mine to be sure, but I think the actual cam part of the Tamer is a separate piece held onto the throttle tube with a set screw, and could probably be removed/replaced if desired.  The photo on the site seems to confirm this...

On the site, there are different cams available : http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-cams/

The write-up says that the one that comes with the "street tamer" model (the one I got and the one I thing Maxtog is referring to) comes with a 400 CAM – Approximately 20% smaller for first 1/2 of throttle rotation, then ramps to stock size.

Jamie

[Conrad]

I am only aware of one Tamer model made by G2 and that is what I purchased.  Did you get something different??  Just checked their site again to verify.

http://www.g2ergo.com/store/g2-street-tamer-throttle-tube/

G2 Key Points: 

* Machined from 6061 aluminum in the USA!
* Self-lubricating Delrin bushings at each end of tube eliminate aluminum-to-aluminum contact and provide an ultra-smooth feel.
* Included cam is removable and can be replaced with alternate cams (sold separately) to fine tune control.
* Fits inside the stock throttle housing to stock cables.
* Works with all known aftermarket cruise controls.
* Slide one of our Domino grips or your grip unto the Throttle Tamer.
* Installs in minutes!

I purchased mine back in 11/2009 and at that time they did offer Tamers with replaceable cams but not for the C14. Here's a couple of pics of mine right after I installed it. Nothing replaceable there.

Click to zoom, go to details for a major zoom. You'll have to click it again and then for a MAJOR zoom click the lower right corner.

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[VirginiaJim]

Wouldn't that be a Lt. Colonel zoom?  I mean, that's bigger than Major.

[Conrad]

Wouldn't that be a Lt. Colonel zoom?  I mean, that's bigger than Major.

If you manage to find your way to the last and largest zoom level, that would be General Zoom.

[maxtog]

Max, did you look around the site? I saw at least three models.

Like Classvino said, there are three models, but only one is a "Tamer".  The other two are the same tube but with a like-OEM cam and a more aggressive cam.  The cams are are all interchangeable so it is just which cam is it coming with when you order it.  There is no non-adjustable model (at least not in the past several years).

[maxtog]

I purchased mine back in 11/2009 and at that time they did offer Tamers with replaceable cams but not for the C14. Here's a couple of pics of mine right after I installed it. Nothing replaceable there.

Yeah, maybe they decided to offer only a single model several years ago.  Makes sense, it is not like it costs more to make, and it means they stock less parts now and open another market for people buying additional cams.  Everyone wins

[maxtog]

It also has the advantage of being able to change out the cam for customizing different behavior quickly, easily, and inexpensively.

I think I might need to modify the above.  Looking at the design, it looks like replacing the cam requires complete disassembly again-  With heated grips, I think that means grip removal, not just tube removal, since I don't think the cord is long enough to just remove the whole tube/grip assembly.  So that wouldn't be "quickly" nor "easily" just "possible" and still reasonably cheap ($24 or something)     

I was thinking about this if you had a G2 Tamer model already installed and later wanted to switch to the more "OEM/Stock" (non-Tamer) cam because you were going to flash with something like the newer "evolution" version of [Steve's] Shoodaben's ECU flash,  which has more snatch control built-in.  Using that flash WITH the Tamer cam would probably retard throttle response too much.

[Conrad]

I think I might need to modify the above.  Looking at the design, it looks like replacing the cam requires complete disassembly again-  With heated grips, I think that means grip removal, not just tube removal, since I don't think the cord is long enough to just remove the whole tube/grip assembly.  So that wouldn't be "quickly" nor "easily" just "possible" and still reasonably cheap ($24 or something)     

I was thinking about this if you had a G2 Tamer model already installed and later wanted to switch to the more "OEM/Stock" (non-Tamer) cam because you were going to flash with something like the newer "evolution" version of [Steve's] Shoodaben's ECU flash,  which has more snatch control built-in.  Using that flash WITH the Tamer cam would probably retard throttle response too much.

I'd like to know what Steve's take is on the use of a TT with his flash?

[gPink]

see reply 102

[Conrad]

see reply 102

I saw that from Steve. My question is how will the flash behave if I get it and already have a TT installed?

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

I'd like to know what Steve's take is on the use of a TT with his flash?

   I've released a new flash, the Evolution, which specifically addresses the need for mo betta' finite throttle control. In effect, no need for a throttle tamer because the ECU lets you get what you wanted from the throttle, not the off / on jolt of power when you are trying to feather in just a little power. Due to Kawasaki's mapping and general setup of the eCU that wasn't easy to accomplish, but it's done, and very effective.  I haven't tried a throttle tamer with the Evolution flash, but I would be interested to do so for learning purposes. Over time I've had several folks report using a throttle tamer on the decel flash (same deal, they already had the TT) and they were very happy with the results. Steve

[connie_rider]

I have one of the home made throttle tamers on my bike.
  For some reason, my bike seems to have more drive line slack that others.
  With the Decell Flash I noticed it the most in 5th and 6th gear when going from off throttle to on throttle.
  Bugged me.... So, I installed my modded throttle.
  The Tamer did away with about 50% of the thump I felt when rolling on the throttle.
I also talked to Steve about it and asked if he could do anything to help.
(Didn't know at the time that he was in-work on his new Evo Flash)

Recently he came out with the Evo Flash and I was fortunate enough to be one of his beta testers.
While designing the new flash, he had done as I asked and improved the initial surge when the injectors begin to fire...
Wow, what an improvement!!!

NOTE: I left the Tamer on as I was too lazy to take it off...
          I'm keeping the Tamer as I think it helps control the power in low throttle openings.

I'll end with,,,
The Tamer works well with the Decell Flash.
If you have the tamer already, (and get the Evo Flash) keep it..
If you don't have a tamer already,,,  spend your $$ on his new Flash!

I don't think the tamer is necessary with his new Flash. I'm too tight to spend the $$ for the little bit of improvement you will get.
I do think, the "free" Mod is worth doing to get that little bit of improved control over the first 25% of rotation.

Ride safe, Ted

PS: I've talked to Kawasaki about the slack in my drive line..
     They seem to think it's within limits.
      And now,, (with the Evo and the Tamer)  they can't feel it...

[gPink]

Ted, just to be clear, you did adjust almost all the slack out of your cables?