Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: connie14boy on July 20, 2013, 10:57:09 PM
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When changing a blown fuse, I came across a 15 amp fuse labeled "O2 sensor". Me thinks this very curious as I have been told no open or closed loop O2 sensors were installed on the American delivery bikes. This is a California delivery bike, if that matters. As you can see from the fuse holder, my bike is also very 'smart' and can even 'answer back' when necessary, and it sings a lovely tune at about 7,000 RPM with the V&H CS-1 pipe I installed. I must have a special one...
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I have wondered why most of our bikes didn't get o2 sensors. It seems logical to think that with an o2 sensor the bike would be more fuel efficient vs running strictly speed density with no feedback to afr's.
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When changing a blown fuse, I came across a 15 amp fuse labeled "O2 sensor". Me thinks this very curious as I have been told no open or closed loop O2 sensors were installed on the American delivery bikes.
Keep in mind that the Concours is available world-wide. And in some markets, it does have an O2 sensor (because it is required there, for emissions control).
I have wondered why most of our bikes didn't get o2 sensors. It seems logical to think that with an o2 sensor the bike would be more fuel efficient vs running strictly speed density with no feedback to afr's.
The reason is probably cost. O2 sensors are (or used to be) expensive... in the $50 range. Now, to me that seems like a crazy low price to omit something on a high-end bike (kinda like cruise control, although that would cost even more).
With an O2 sensor, it would, indeed, have even better emissions and tuning control. Might even get a tad bit better fuel economy.
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When changing a blown fuse, I came across a 15 amp fuse labeled "O2 sensor". Me thinks this very curious as I have been told no open or closed loop O2 sensors were installed on the American delivery bikes. This is a California delivery bike, if that matters. As you can see from the fuse holder, my bike is also very 'smart' and can even 'answer back' when necessary, and it sings a lovely tune at about 7,000 RPM with the V&H CS-1 pipe I installed. I must have a special one...
Is there actually a 15a fuse in that position?
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Yup, I checked that first thing when I saw it, thinking it would be an empty space- but a red 15 amp is in there. Must be the California bikes have sensors and I would like to hear from other Ca. owners.
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Nope, no sensors in my 2011 California bike, at least not yet.
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No O2 sensors in the US market unless they've been added afterwards by the PO. No way, no how, from Kwak Central.
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Yup, I checked that first thing when I saw it, thinking it would be an empty space- but a red 15 amp is in there. Must be the California bikes have sensors and I would like to hear from other Ca. owners.
Pull the fuse out and see if there's an actual connector on both sides of the fuse socket. Maybe the PO put a fuse in there not knowing any better, or maybe to store a spare.
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OK fellow forum members, here's the key to our conundrum: does anyone else have the fuse holder like my bike does with the same circuits? Take a picture if so. Simple question - simple answer. And yes it appears to have all the necessary connections. Maybe I should ask Fred, the dealer probably is useless.
I might have the only bike in North America to have an O2 sensor, but I doubt it.
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OK fellow forum members, here's the key to our conundrum: does anyone else have the fuse holder like my bike does with the same circuits? Take a picture if so. Simple question - simple answer. And yes it appears to have all the necessary connections. Maybe I should ask Fred, the dealer probably is useless.
I might have the only bike in North America to have an O2 sensor, but I doubt it.
I'll look tomorrow.
Why don't you just look at the exhaust and see if there's an o2 sensor in it?
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I don't see any sensor wires coming from the headers or cat. con. areas, and I ain't taking off any Tupperware. I guess I could unplug the fuse and see what happens..
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I don't see any sensor wires coming from the headers or cat. con. areas, and I ain't taking off any Tupperware. I guess I could unplug the fuse and see what happens..
I think that you can pretty much see the entire exhaust with very little effort and without removing the plastic.
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I don't see any sensor wires coming from the headers or cat. con. areas, and I ain't taking off any Tupperware. I guess I could unplug the fuse and see what happens..
This is what happened to the last C14 that had that fuse pulled...
Nuclear Explosion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsTRxXvQY0s#)
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Yup, I checked that first thing when I saw it, thinking it would be an empty space- but a red 15 amp is in there. Must be the California bikes have sensors and I would like to hear from other Ca. owners.
I just checked my non CA '08 C14 and it has the same fuse. My 15a fuse is blue though and the fuse holder has the fuses listed in a different order.
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Thanks for checking, I guess we all have a fake 02 sensor...
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Thanks for checking, I guess we all have a fake 02 sensor...
Not just fake but invisible, too.
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Thanks for checking, I guess we all have a fake 02 sensor...
Not just fake but invisible, too.
In any case, at least the damn thing is fuse protected! ???
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Just looked at the 2009 Schematic. Looks like the O2 fuse also powers the Oil Control Solenoid Valve, So that could explain the fuse being in there.
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...and what does the Oil Control Soleniod Valve do?
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...and what does the Oil Control Soleniod Valve do?
I was wondering the same thing :)
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It controls the oil. Everyone knows that.
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I'll guess it controls the VVT on our bikes- looks like Kawasaki didn't convert that fuse holder nomenclature from Japanese to English very accurately.
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Now I wonder what the "smart" and "answer back" fuses are really for? Probably a secret circuit for Big Brother to tap into like our cell phones.
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Now I wonder what the "smart" and "answer back" fuses are really for? Probably a secret circuit for Big Brother to tap into like our cell phones.
:yikes: Have you been peeking into the arena?
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I'll guess it controls the VVT on our bikes- looks like Kawasaki didn't convert that fuse holder nomenclature from Japanese to English very accurately.
I had to find out too. Read this on the VVT
http://www.kawasaki.ca/media/mig/2013/concours-14-abs/English/files/assets/basic-html/page18.html (http://www.kawasaki.ca/media/mig/2013/concours-14-abs/English/files/assets/basic-html/page18.html)
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I snapped a pic of fusebox 3 on my bike. Here's what the electrical schematic list these fuses as.
1, KIPASS Signal relay fuse 10A
2, Oxygen sensor heater fuse 15A
3, KIPASS fuse 10A
4, Electric windshield fuse 30A
5, Accessory fuse 10A
(http://www.zggtr.org/MGalleryItem.php?id=490)
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Ok mystery solved.
I found the O2 sensor on my bike.
I found the O2 wire on the fuse box and started pulling on it.
If you keep tugging on it, it will work lose. At the end was the O2 sensor. It's apparently just taped up inside the harness not being used.
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Where is it supposed to be installed on the exhaust system? I wonder if all the bikes are like this?
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Ok mystery solved.
I found the O2 sensor on my bike.
I found the O2 wire on the fuse box and started pulling on it.
If you keep tugging on it, it will work lose. At the end was the O2 sensor. It's apparently just taped up inside the harness not being used.
pic?
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That seems a bit strange. This is a US bike? And yes, where did you find it? I'm thinking at least one of us (US) would have said something before now on finding this in the bike disconnected. Maybe we'll find a cruise control buried somewhere as well if we look hard enough.
Those sensors aren't cheap. I wonder if this bike was slated to go somewhere else in the world and made a right turn at the US?
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The O2 sensor I put on my bike is big enough I think it would resist being tugged and pulled on in the very limited space under the seat. It's the size of a spark plug. It would also have a rather large connector on the end. It would not be connected by a single wire to the fuse box.
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If you keep tugging on it, it will work lose. At the end was the O2 sensor. It's apparently just taped up inside the harness not being used.
I suspect you found an O2 sensor *connector* not an actual sensor. The sensors are too big and expensive to just leave one taped up in the harness.
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??? :popcorn:
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Yeah. Cruise would be good is there a fuse for that in there also ???? ;D ;D ;D
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All the wiring seems to be there for an O2 sensor/closed loop system. I wonder if a sensor could be installed and if Guhl could activate the ECU to use it.
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Anything can be done with enough money and time...
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All the wiring seems to be there for an O2 sensor/closed loop system. I wonder if a sensor could be installed and if Guhl could activate the ECU to use it.
IIRC ..... Guhl already has maps and has done reflashes for some of the over sea C14s which have O2 sensors. So anyone who's seriously consittering adding an O2 sensor should contact Guhl and verify this for us.
:popcorn:
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2012 ECU...UK part#= 21175,21175 A-D
Can = 21175C
US = 21175B
With 5 different part #'s it's a little confusing.
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IIRC ..... Guhl already has maps and has done reflashes for some of the over sea C14s which have O2 sensors. So anyone who's seriously consittering adding an O2 sensor should contact Guhl and verify this for us.
:popcorn:
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