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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Ricnewlgtr on June 22, 2013, 11:58:27 AM
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Hi there.
I purchased my 2009 1400GTR 2 years ago. When I started the engine from cold there was a rumbling (almost like worn main bearings) which disappeared after about one second. I took it back to the dealer who rectified the problem. Apparently it was a balance shaft out of adjustment.
I've just toured Europe over a 2 week period and guess what? Yeap, it's started rumbling again....
Has anyone else had a similar experience and is there a permanent cure?
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Welcome along 8)
New one on me. :o
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That noise is the cam chain tensioner. On this bike it is mechanical as well as hydraulic. If the cam chain is slightly loose, you'll hear this noise until pressure builds. At some point it stretches more, and a mechanical click will happen. It then sounds more quiet until it stretches again.
Its not a problem, but it sure sounds awful. Mines just about to "click" again, then I'll have piece and quiet at start up....for a while, that is.
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Some folks have the noise, some don't. I do and it makes no difference (my bike) with type of oil, side stand or center stand or hanging it upside down from the rafters.
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It's normal.
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Yep, normal. I wouldn't describe it as a rumble though.
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Yep, more like a rattle.
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If you pulled a tensioner out, it is obvious why some bikes make the noise while others dont. IF the chain happens to be at the perfect tension just as a click happens, no noise. IF the chain needs some pressure to achieve perfect tension, you'll get the noise until the pressure takes up the slack.
In the old days, tensioning the chain was part of the 4000 mile service. You'd check it with an oil change and adjust if necessary. It was fairly easy to set since the adjustor was usually between the two sets of cylinders on the front of the motor.
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I was wondering what that start up rattle was. Now I know. Thank You.
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Somebody documented that way back when but I can't remember who it was.... 8)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/Autotensionerexplodedview.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/BDF08012008/media/Autotensionerexplodedview.jpg.html)
Plunger pushed back as it would be on startup before oil pressure built up:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/Extendedw-outhydraulics.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/BDF08012008/media/Extendedw-outhydraulics.jpg.html)
Plunger extended under spring force:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/Extendedwithhydraulics.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/BDF08012008/media/Extendedwithhydraulics.jpg.html)
I have been using an APE manual tensioner for a long time now (50K? 60K miles?) and it does eliminate the start up rattle. It also needs adjusting but only every 30+ K miles or so.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/ManualCamChaintensioner.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/BDF08012008/media/ManualCamChaintensioner.jpg.html)
By the way, the CCT is not what actually makes the start up rattle. It is the cam chain knocking on the side of the crankcase while it is loose. If you stand the bike up and start it, it will not make that rattle even with an automatic CCT in place because the chain does not lean to the left side as it does when the bike is on the side stand.
Brian
If you pulled a tensioner out, it is obvious why some bikes make the noise while others dont. IF the chain happens to be at the perfect tension just as a click happens, no noise. IF the chain needs some pressure to achieve perfect tension, you'll get the noise until the pressure takes up the slack.
In the old days, tensioning the chain was part of the 4000 mile service. You'd check it with an oil change and adjust if necessary. It was fairly easy to set since the adjustor was usually between the two sets of cylinders on the front of the motor.
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Somebody documented that way back when but I can't remember who it was.... 8)
Someone with the initials B.D.F perhaps? How do I know this? I'm psychotic, that's how!
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I had to try it. Stand the bike up and no rattle.
Just a plethora of information that just never ends.
thanks again
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Oh, there's lots more where that came from...
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Someone with the initials B.D.F perhaps? How do I know this? I'm psychotic, that's how!
I heard that about you Jim...
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I had to try it. Stand the bike up and no rattle.
Just a plethora of information that just never ends.
thanks again
That's it then. Always start it when its on the centre stand .... 8)
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That's it then. Always start it when its on the centre stand .... 8)
Like hell I will.
By the way, spell check says centre bad, center good. ;)
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Like hell I will.
By the way, spell check says centre bad, center good. ;)
Not here in the home of the English language ..... :D
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Not here in the home of the English language ..... :D
center i.e. center of a circle
centre i.e. shopping centre
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;D It IS hard to trump that one....
Funny thing though about language- I (an American) tend to view English as your (UK) language so any differences are our deviations from the original. But in reality, both versions of the language have been in continuous development right along so any given change might have come from either country, and much later than when American English branched off from UK English. A good example is aluminum; the obvious is that your version always did have the extra syllable in it but in fact, you used to spell and pronounce it correctly ( :-) ). It was sometime in the 20th century that someone on the island decided that word needed more letters and pronunciation to better align with some other elements.
Brian
Not here in the home of the English language ..... :D
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center i.e. center of a circle
centre i.e. shopping centre
Gentlemen, this is a motorcycle forum, NOT a University course.
That said (from the Oxford English Dictionary website):
Definition of centre
1 the point that is equally distant from every point on the circumference of a circle or sphere.
a point or part that is equally distant from all sides, ends, or surfaces of something:
the centre of the ceiling
the city centre
a political party or group whose opinions avoid extremes:
[as modifier]:
a new centre party
the middle player in a line or group in certain team games.
a kick, hit, or throw of the ball from the side to the middle of field in soccer, hockey, and other team games.
the filling in a chocolate:
truffles with liqueur centres
a pivot or axis of rotation.
a conical adjustable support for a workpiece in a lathe or similar machine.
2 the point from which an activity or process is directed, or on which it is focused:
the city was a centre of discontent
the managing director is at the centre of a row over policy
the most important place in the respect specified:
Geneva was then the centre of the banking world
3 a place or group of buildings where a specified activity is concentrated:
a conference centre
Now back to the Moto Speak...
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Like hell I will.
By the way, spell check says centre bad, center good. ;)
It depends on where you live.
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Gentlemen, this is a motorcycle forum, NOT a University course.
Since when has that stopped anyone from veering off track? Tis the nature of the beast.
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Funny thing though about language- I (an American) tend to view English as your (UK) language so any differences are our deviations from the original. But in reality, both versions of the language have been in continuous development right along
Its just that American English fixes British English by getting rid of all those unnecessary extra vowels and by actually using the letter "z" :)
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Its just that American English fixes British English by getting rid of all those unnecessary extra vowels and by actually using the letter "z" :)
So on the island a zx14 is only an x14?
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So on the island a zx14 is only an x14?
:rotflmao:
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So on the island a zx14 is only an x14?
:) No, in British style, it would be an "sx14".
That, I can visualise... I mean visualize.
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So on the island a zx14 is only an x14?
This one?
(http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a468/RCRide/Misc%20Images/Bell_X-14_colour_ground.jpg)
Or this one?
(http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a468/RCRide/Misc%20Images/x14p-3216742938.gif)
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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
The English (affectionately known as 'Limeys') call the letter 'Z' zed. It really sounds odd the first several thousand times I heard it. Well actually it still sounds odd to me but there ya' have it.
So I have to assume they would verbally call that bike a Zed X 14. ??
It also makes me wonder how they use the two- word specification for letters... you know, A is alpha, B is beta and Z is zebra. What do they call it, zedbra?
Have you ever watched a Limey eat? They hold the utensils all wrong and use the wrong device to pick up the food (often the knife), and often use a fork upside down. Worse than watching a left handed person write I tells ya'.
"I eat my peas with honey, I've done it all my life.
It makes them taste kinda' funny but it holds them on the knife."
Let us know if we wander off topic Jim. I love this forum!
Brian
So on the island a zx14 is only an x14?
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Its just that American English fixes British English by getting rid of all those unnecessary extra vowels and by actually using the letter "z" :)
>:(
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Let us know if we wander off topic Jim. I love this forum!
Brian
Me too.
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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
The English (affectionately known as 'Limeys') call the letter 'Z' zed. It really sounds odd the first several thousand times I heard it. Well actually it still sounds odd to me but there ya' have it.
So I have to assume they would verbally call that bike a Zed X 14. ??
It also makes me wonder how they use the two- word specification for letters... you know, A is alpha, B is beta and Z is zebra. What do they call it, zedbra?
Have you ever watched a Limey eat? They hold the utensils all wrong and use the wrong device to pick up the food (often the knife), and often use a fork upside down. Worse than watching a left handed person write I tells ya'.
"I eat my peas with honey, I've done it all my life.
It makes them taste kinda' funny but it holds them on the knife."
Let us know if we wander off topic Jim. I love this forum!
Brian
Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.
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So I have to assume they would verbally call that bike a Zed X 14. ??
It also makes me wonder how they use the two- word specification for letters... you know, A is alpha, B is beta and Z is zebra. What do they call it, zedbra?
Let us know if we wander off topic Jim. I love this forum!
Brian
Correct.. ,Zed Ex14 ... Zed Zed R 1200 etc...
Slightly out with the ponetic alphabet though
Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo
Foxtrot
Golf
Hotel
India
Juliet
Kilo
Lima
Mike
November
Oscar
Papa
Quebec
Romeo
Sierra
Tango
Uniform
Victor
Whisky
X-ray
YANKEE
Zulu
Sometimes we don't speak the same language ;D
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Correct.. ,Zed Ex14 ... Zed Zed R 1200 etc...
Sometimes we don't speak the same language ;D
That's......awkward.
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That's......awkward.
Why?
USA - Zee-Eks-14
UK - Zed-Eks-14
Not much difference to my mind, although it is called the ZZR1400 over here.
The double Z is awkward but it only ever occurs with Kawasaki motorcycles and a a certain collection of Texan Beards.
As for the rampant mutilations of the English language, you are not the only ones.
The Canucks, Aussies, Indians, South Africans, Jamaicans, Irish, and a great many others also mutilate and bastardise our language,.....
... but we can take it, we can handle it, because we have our stiff upper lip and a cup of tea. :rotflmao:
Oh Bryn,... it's Zulu by the way. ;D
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Where do they keep the animals? In a zedoo? :o
"Mummy, can we go to the zedoo today and see the zedebras?"
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Cajun music would be zedeco.
The midget would be yelling 'zed plane Boss, zed plane!'
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I'm watching this thread very closely...
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Got your glasses on Sparky? 8)
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Now that is a really interesting point Conrad- what DO they call a Zebra, a striped horse? Inquiring minds want to know....? The 'boot' and 'bonnet' was bad enough but the Zebra thing is a real quandary.
Brian
Where do they keep the animals? In a zedoo? :o
"Mummy, can we go to the zedoo today and see the zedebras?"
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Got your glasses on Sparky? 8)
Yes.
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Correct.. ,Zed Ex14 ... Zed Zed R 1200 etc...
Slightly out with the ponetic alphabet though
Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo
Foxtrot
Golf
Hotel
India
Juliet
Kilo
Lima
Mike
November
Oscar
Papa
Quebec
Romeo
Sierra
Tango
Uniform
Victor
Whisky
X-ray
YANKEE
Zulo
Sometimes we don't speak the same language ;D
Stop it... Stop it... You're taking me back to my Navy Air Traffic Controller days.
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Oh Bryn,... it's Zulu by the way. ;D
Quite correct.. Slip of the typing finger ;D
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How do we pronounce the letter Z?
Similar to the way you guys do, but the letter's NAME is Zed.
Y'all don't call a Beer a Beeeer,...... actually ya do! <LOL>
Better example, ya don't call a Phone a Peehone do ya? The letters name is Pee.
So for us it's a zebra (short e) where y'all say zeebra (long e).
We do say zoo and zulu and zig and zygote.
Jim, it doesn't matter if you close this down or not, as the NSA will have a copy and will add everyone names to the "people who have more time than sense" list. :rotflmao:
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Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.
I reckon so. That was a British/Italian detective show that was really good. Only three episodes from what I remember. Now if you want to talk Zed (Z) cars, I'd love to get my hands on that series.
Jim, it doesn't matter if you close this down or not, as the NSA will have a copy and will add everyone names to the "people who have more time than sense" list. :rotflmao:
That's not what I was implying at all, Boomer. I was born in England, so anything British on the forum tends to perk my interest....and not in a bad way.
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Yes.
Beer goggles?
(http://www.simoneye.com/sites/default/files/beergoggles.jpg)
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Only if they have Michelob in them...
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Now if you want to talk Zed (Z) cars, I'd love to get my hands on that series.
Your wish is my command.
http://www.acornmediauk.com/z-cars-collection-one.html (http://www.acornmediauk.com/z-cars-collection-one.html)
You will need a DVD player that can handle Region 2 DVD's and play PAL video.
There are a lot of episodes that are missing from the BBC archives but they keep finding new ones as they go through the archives.
Acorn Media will be release more series if demand for this one is high enough.
The whole series was 799 episodes from '62 to '78.
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Thanks. I'll keep an eye out on that one.