Brian, your points are very good. But one comment. Electronic fuel injections systems can compensate to some degree for changes in air flow. The question is whether or not the change without the flies is significant enough or not. Because the air flow with the flies out is similar to the air flow with the flies fully open, there is a chance that the system can compensate, don't you think? I assume there is a throttle position sensor which could effect my thinking - I'm not sure how much that would limit the ability to meter in enough fuel. Food for thought.
My bike was purchased with flys out, Full AREA P, Filter, PC-V, and Autotune, and came with a 150 rwhp dyno sheet. It was a little notchy or "on/off" at part throttle, and a G2 Throttle Tamer fixed it right up. 10 minute install there.
I rode my buddy's bone stock C14 (we both have 08s) and I can tell you, ride BOTH, and once you do, I can't imagine wanting to stay with the stock configuration. My buddy fully admits mine pulls in 6th as hard as his pulls in 4th. I put 50 miles on his bike, and it felt like I was riding a 600, and the throttle response was nonexistent - no crispness at all. The bike simply did not pull, and nothing happens down low. I routinely shift my bike at 3K or 4K when not riding "spiritedly" and it pulls fine at that rpm... my buddy's bike, not so much. I had no idea, as I had only ever ridden my modded C14.
Bottom line, get a test ride on a properly modded C14 before deciding NOT to mod your bike. My buddy is dying to mod his now. It's killing him to ride his stock.........
YMMV,
Barry
Barry,
My question isn't regarding a C14 with mods vs stock, it's only in regards to pulling the flies if the bike has the mods done to it.
I know that a C14 with full system, filter, and PCV will put out more power etc than a stock one.
My question is the difference between a C14 with a full system, filter, and PCV vs. full system, filter, PCV, and flies pulled...
I have a question on PCV. When you buy one, does it already come loaded with the map you need for flies out? Or does it have to be tuned? Basically, how do you get the correct map loaded? Sorry - new to such fuel management.Contact these guys, let em know what ya have and they will ship with correct MAP already loaded.
I have a question on PCV. When you buy one, does it already come loaded with the map you need for flies out? Or does it have to be tuned? Basically, how do you get the correct map loaded? Sorry - new to such fuel management.
Barry,
My question isn't regarding a C14 with mods vs stock, it's only in regards to pulling the flies if the bike has the mods done to it.
I know that a C14 with full system, filter, and PCV will put out more power etc than a stock one.
My question is the difference between a C14 with a full system, filter, and PCV vs. full system, filter, PCV, and flies pulled...
So I know many of you have pulled your flies, I still have not but am currently only running a slip-on.
I'd like to hear some concrete facts on pro's and con's of doing this...
Does it make more hp? More torque? Less? Smoother? Harsher? (sp?) Only do with full system? Do not do with stock config? MPG? Remap required? etc, etc, etc...
I'd like to hear both sides of the fence on this...
I'm currently considering going to a full system with PCV and filter, I spoke with my shop today and they recommended not pulling the flies, they said doing it wouldn't produce anymore power, but would make it run more "rough/harsh"...
I'm confused.
Thanks in advance! Oh, and yes I already looked through all the threads with the search feature, seems to only be pro's from people that do it (kinda broad statements like "yes, do it", etc), not much from folks saying don't because...
Well as it stands right now I'm leaning towards leaving them in, at least for a little while...
Here's my logic, tell me if I'm misunderstanding anything...
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5.) As many folks that I've talked to about removing them it's split on doing it vs not, 50/50 is not enough for me to jump in, for now...
So what do you think, sound logic??
ZG: Your first priority was clearly the most important. Happy wife, happy life...
You seem to have a good grasp of how you want and need to use your bike. If I were in your saddle I'd leave them alone and post my feedback on the differences between the full AreaP and a slipon after a few tanks. I may want that too.
Enjoy.
"I personally don't look at removing the 'flies as a performance mod. as much as simply removing the factory supplied 'governor'. The bike acts exactly like a 1400 cc motorcycle should once the 'flies are removed; it is not a beast or unmanageable or anything similar but again, it is a big bike with a big, relatively powerful engine. "
Brian