wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??

[poopster2009]

Lead a horse......

[Riverszzr]

 Perhaps someone who has used the beads has reported this (I did not read all the pages)

 I have several customers who use them, I find nearly everytime I change tires for them that the beads are spread out in varying amounts around the inside of the tire (lightly stuck to the tire when removed usually....I think perhaps from the bead soap used to install the tire) but the fact they are spread all the way around the circumfrence of the tire and in some areas more so than others....they clearly are adding more weight in some places)

So the question then is whether it is the right places? and is it really needed?

Well I just did front and rears on a Victory Vision a few weeks ago(big heavy rims and tires, as in likely upwards of 25+ pounds each) and no beads in stock, we decided to not install any beads.
I did look at the balance needs of them but used no weights (he doesn't like the look)
 front was wanting 15g and the rear was wanting 35g (I did mark the rim so they could be added, but he said he would add the beads later, to which as of this morning he still has not picked up nor has he added them)

He rode off with it "needing" those weights added but they were not.

He has yet to experience anything that he can feel upto and including about 85mph. Now he is questioning the added expense at each tire change...

 Just to throw another perspective and feed this further;
 My thought, just because the bike does a decent job masking the symptoms doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a problem and any side affects.

 I see bikes all the time with rims that have .010"+ of lateral wheel run out (some with actual curb or pothole dents right on one lip or both)and physically you can see the wheel "hop" when spun. Nearly none of these people even notice or feel a thing- but I can often see the effects in the tire wear after several thousand miles.
 Anyways-I think one should balance the tire-with the weights, the beads or the liquid stuff....is one better than another-that is debateable but I would stand by the weights as they physically won't move and you know they are where you need them (you can see that) the beads or the slime, well that technically can all gather back at the bottom of the wheel everytime it stops rotating (although that has not been my experience seeing them come back off the rim)
 

[maxtog]

Actually Max, it did prove something. That the first balance attempt with weights wasn't done correctly...

Well, that is true

[ZG]

Here's my report on the Dyna Beads...

I put in the recommended 1oz in the front and 2oz in the rear, I road it for about a week and was very disappointed in the vibes I felt around 40 to 45 mph around town, also at HWY speed around 65 mph, and also at higher speed (which I won't mention...  ).

So before giving up on them entirely I added another 1oz to each front and rear = 2oz front and 3oz rear. Immediately the vibes were gone, it now rides very smooth at all speeds. So my guess is that it just needed more weight/beads.

I know many folks say these don't work and they say that having never tried them...

I had no bias on em one way or they other, I had never tried them before, the only reason I did now was because I was looking for an alternative to sticking grey, black, or silver weights on my new gold wheels. I'll keep running them in these gold wheels and report back if anything changes, but so far so good after a couple hundred miles.

I'll also point out though that I will not run beads in all my wheels, I'll continue to use black stick on weights on my black wheels, because they blend right in and it's a non-issue, stick-on wheel weights are cheap (if not free with install) so why spend $30 on beads in that case...

That's my opinion, feel free to have your own, but if you've never tried them I hold no value in your opinion.

 

[maxtog]

I put in the recommended 1oz in the front and 2oz in the rear, I road it for about a week and was very disappointed in the vibes I felt around 40 to 45 mph around town, also at HWY speed around 65 mph, and also at higher speed (which I won't mention...  ).

So before giving up on them entirely I added another 1oz to each front and rear = 2oz front and 3oz rear. Immediately the vibes were gone, it now rides very smooth at all speeds. So my guess is that it just needed more weight/beads.

But how long did you try with no beads and no weights?

I know many folks say these don't work and they say that having never tried them...

Not me; I have no idea if they work or not, just interested in the topic.

[ZG]

But how long did you try with no beads and no weights?

I didn't, I was gonna try it but my shop advised against it and said they wouldn't do it.

My guess is it would have felt like it did with the 1oz & 2oz, out of balance, but even more severe.

The vibes I felt with the 1oz & 2oz had to have been from being out of balance, but then with the 2oz & 3oz the vibes completely disappeared, meaning balanced IMO.

[Snype]

Logically these beads make sense... the only question I have is, what kind of damage can they do to the tire pressure sensors.  I don' t think the sensors were designed to take repeated impact from BBs

Please keep this thread updated; I'm dying to know how they fare.

Snype

[ZG]

Logically these beads make sense... the only question I have is, what kind of damage can they do to the tire pressure sensors.  I don' t think the sensors were designed to take repeated impact from BBs

Please keep this thread updated; I'm dying to know how they fare.

Snype

Well the TPS is mounted to the actual wheel, and the beads are in the tire, so I'd think impact would be minimal if not none when the wheel is spinning, just FYI but the beads are really small, like smaller than a tiny pin head... 

[ZG]

I really aint worried about the TPS issue, but the centerline of the tire, on the inside, ceramic is extremly abrasive, polished or not. 

Ok, here you go Chet, yer wrong bro, eat crow!

I had to get a new rear tire today, the inside of the tire I took off that I've been running the dyna beads in shows absolutely no signs of wear or marks of any kind, I even took a pic as you requested. 






FWIW the tech said the TPS looked great as well, no signs of abuse or marks on it at all. 

[VirginiaJim]

Smoke and mirrors, Jay.  We all know that dynabeads self destruct tires.  How do we know that's not the new tire, eh?  Paranoid minds want to know!      

PS...   Thanks for the feedback!

[ZG]

Smoke and mirrors, Jay.  We all know that dynabeads self destruct tires.  How do we know that's not the new tire, eh?  Paranoid minds want to know!      

PS...   Thanks for the feedback!

 

Nope, no fibbing when it comes to farkles Sparky, that is the tire that was taken off, I promise. 

[VirginiaJim]

  back at you!

[Conrad]

How come you needed a new rear tire J?

[maxtog]

How come you needed a new rear tire J?

Translation:  "You don't ride enough and didn't mention damage and put the dynabead things in there not long ago.... so what's up with replacing the rear tire??"

[ZG]

How come you needed a new rear tire J?

Gotta nail in it... 

The tire was about toast anyway though, I was gonna replace it before heading off to the National next month, but I was hoping to get another month out of it that way when I headed off on the trip it would be on fresh rubber. 

[ZG]

Translation:  "You don't ride enough and didn't mention damage and put the dynabead things in there not long ago.... so what's up with replacing the rear tire??"

The tire wasn't new when it went on the gold rim, I put a couple thousand miles on it though with the beads in.

[VirginiaJim]

Gotta nail in it... 

The tire was about toast anyway though, I was gonna replace it before heading off to the National next month, but I was hoping to get another month out of it that way when I headed off on the trip it would be on fresh rubber. 

Ah Hah!  The dynabeads attracted the nail.  I knew that they were bad news!

[maxtog]

Ah Hah!  The dynabeads attracted the nail.

Quite logical...

[Son of Pappy]

Nothing wrong with crow pie   FWIW?  I still won't run em.   

[ZG]

Ah Hah!  The dynabeads attracted the nail.  I knew that they were bad news!