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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2013, 06:08:35 PM »
Try riding the bike without any weights on the wheels and see how it does. 

What will that feel like Sparky? To my knowledge I've never road a bike with the wheels/tires not balanced, it would be nice to know what to expect so I don't sign myself up for disaster...  :-\

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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2013, 06:14:17 PM »
What will that feel like Sparky? To my knowledge I've never road a bike with the wheels/tires not balanced, it would be nice to know what to expect so I don't sign myself up for disaster...  :-\
Riding a slow black (title ;)) bike you should have nothing to worry about ;)  Keep it at your usual 55-60, unless that green paint added too much weight, and you should be good to go ;D ;D

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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2013, 06:35:16 PM »
Keep it at your usual 55-60, unless that green paint added too much weight, and you should be good to go ;D ;D

But how exactly will it behave or act or feel??  ???

I'd like to know in advance so that I can at least be prepared for it or avoid certain speeds etc, better to know ahead of time than dump the bike IMO...  :-\

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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2013, 06:48:11 PM »
Think washboard feel.  On the real side, I seriously doubt you feel anything short of a highspeed run, your Ohlins will mask/absorb the out of balance oscilations.  What you should do is swap suspensions with me so you have a better idea, all in the name of science of course ;)

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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2013, 07:21:32 PM »
Think washboard feel.  On the real side, I seriously doubt you feel anything short of a highspeed run, your Ohlins will mask/absorb the out of balance oscilations.  What you should do is swap suspensions with me so you have a better idea, all in the name of science of course ;)

Hmmm... ok, well now I'm really confused, if I'm not gonna feel anything with no weights (or Dyna beads) then why the heck even balance them at all? Why not just ride em as is?  ??? :-\


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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2013, 07:57:37 PM »
Hmmm... ok, well now I'm really confused, if I'm not gonna feel anything with no weights (or Dyna beads) then why the heck even balance them at all? Why not just ride em as is?  ??? :-\
Uneven wear and reduced traction due to uneven oscilation.  Just because you don't feel it don't mean it aint there.  Did you know that your tires are constantly weaving left and right?  This is why a relaxed rider is always a smoother rider (not fighting the natural movement of the bike) and another reason why good suspension is a bonus for daily rides, not just the track.  Dork up your settings, see how tire life is affected :o  Or ride with a death grip, as tense as you can make yourself from the hands all the way to your toes, really lock in your elbows.  just don't do this at speeds above 45 or so, you may end up with the dreaded tank slapper.  Seriously, for those who have never intentionally tried this I would say do it.  See how much harder it is to turn in, how does the bike track on a straight road, how about braking?

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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2013, 09:46:09 PM »
Thanks Chet.  :chugbeer:

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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2013, 04:14:13 AM »
There are some that don't balance them at all and don't have problems, at least that's what they've said here.  You know how your bike feels at speed, don't you?  Gradually work up to your normal speed and see how it feels.  I don't think any of us are saying go 0 to 150 from a standing stop in 9 seconds.... ;)   You could always ask your tire installer to get the best balance they can by moving the tire around the rim (that may take some time as I don't know how loose the tires are on the rim after installation.).  I've done that with cage tires when I worked with my father-in-law at his service station.  Course we only had a bubble balancer then (but it worked pretty darn good).
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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2013, 10:25:25 AM »
Jay, before you install the beads into the wheels, do a static / gravity balance.

It's real simple, and only requires a pair of jack stands (or similar pair if items to hold the wheel off the ground).  Insert the axle into the wheel, and set it on the jack stands, with the stands raised up just enough so the tire doesn't touch anywhere.  Gently start the wheel rotating, less than 1 revolution, and see where it stops.  It should move freely.  If it doesn't, the wheel bearings may be bad.  Once you see where it stops, repeat a few more times, and see if it always stops at the same point, or close to it.  If it does, then it's heavy at that point, and it needs weight on the opposite side to offset it.

This procedure is much more accurate for static balance than machine balancing, since most machine balancer operators don't bother fixing anything  less than 1/4 ounce out of balance.

You will not be able to do this procedure once the Dyno Beads are installed.  It should give you a base line for how out of balance the wheel / tire combination is before you add the beads.  If you want to know how much it's out of balance, you could try adding some weight using scotch tape or similar.
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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2013, 11:55:58 AM »
Jay, before you install the beads into the wheels, do a static / gravity balance.

It's real simple, and only requires a pair of jack stands (or similar pair if items to hold the wheel off the ground).  Insert the axle into the wheel, and set it on the jack stands, with the stands raised up just enough so the tire doesn't touch anywhere.  Gently start the wheel rotating, less than 1 revolution, and see where it stops.  It should move freely.  If it doesn't, the wheel bearings may be bad.  Once you see where it stops, repeat a few more times, and see if it always stops at the same point, or close to it.  If it does, then it's heavy at that point, and it needs weight on the opposite side to offset it.

This procedure is much more accurate for static balance than machine balancing, since most machine balancer operators don't bother fixing anything  less than 1/4 ounce out of balance.

You will not be able to do this procedure once the Dyno Beads are installed.  It should give you a base line for how out of balance the wheel / tire combination is before you add the beads.  If you want to know how much it's out of balance, you could try adding some weight using scotch tape or similar.

Wait one, wouldn't this involve Jay pulling the wheels off?    :o

Or rather, Jay's wife pulling the wheels...    ;)

Don't forget to pull the old weights off before the static balance attempt.
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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2013, 12:05:11 PM »
Or rather, Jay's wife pulling the wheels...    ;)

I'll put this on mama's to-do list, she's a heck of a wrencher...  ;)



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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2013, 12:12:56 PM »
I'll put this on mama's to-do list, she's a heck of a wrencher...  ;)



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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2013, 12:22:32 PM »
Guys, that picture has got to go, sadly I must say, but go it must. :-[ :'(

I know I'll be vilified and burned in effigy as well....  Situation normal.
 
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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2013, 12:24:42 PM »
Poor mama...  :(

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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2013, 12:31:48 PM »
Guys, that picture has got to go, sadly I must say, but go it must. :-[ :'(

I know I'll be vilified and burned in effigy as well....  Situation normal.

Effigy you say?
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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2013, 12:39:43 PM »
Yep.  Word of the day.
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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2013, 01:07:33 PM »
Guys, that picture has got to go, sadly I must say, but go it must. :-[ :'(

I know I'll be vilified and burned in effigy as well....  Situation normal.

Awwww... I didn't even get to see the pic.  :'(   Of course now I want to see it even more.

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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2013, 01:46:18 PM »
Wait one, wouldn't this involve Jay pulling the wheels off?    :o

Or rather, Jay's wife pulling the wheels...    ;)

Don't forget to pull the old weights off before the static balance attempt.

Well, unless he bought a spare set of axles.  He's already got the wheels off the bike, since this is the "new" set.   :D
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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2013, 01:47:51 PM »
Well, unless he bought a spare set of axles.  He's already got the wheels off the bike, since this is the "new" set.   :D

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot about all the 'extra' parts laying around.  ;)
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Re: wheel balancing options other than weights stuck on outside??
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2013, 01:50:51 PM »
Awwww... I didn't even get to see the pic.  :'(   Of course now I want to see it even more.

Yep, you missed out R, now you'll never know...  ;)

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