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Open Forum / Re: New car time- shocking
« Last post by maxtog on May 18, 2025, 11:04:11 AM »
CVT, that's the big problem, all EV's have CVT's, which last about 80,000 miles and then need to be replaced at a cost of about $6000 give or take depending on maker.

I have no idea what you are talking about.  I am not aware of *any* BEV that has a CVT (continuously variable transmission).  As I described in a previous post, there is a simple, non-shifting, one-speed gear-reduction differential (or two if 4WD) in the Ariya.  That appears to be also true with Tesla.  Maybe you are thinking about hybrids or something?

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Sorry, you lost me at ...."at home, it's very simple"... 30 miles for $1.56? So, about $9.00 to go 270 miles?

Yes.  Of course, those are just averages and such, it will vary with the many factors I mentioned before.

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So, drive up to a public charger with a half charge, plug in, 75 degrees, 40% humidity, no wind, sunny, just you in the car, no luggage, regular time, same as home, same voltage, same, everything as at home, what's it cost?

1) Most people do not use non-home charging at the same voltage/everything as they would at home (level 1/2).  Few have the time to wait for that at some station.  You would be mostly interested in level 3 (which you certainly cannot do at home).

2) The price will not be affected by luggage, number of passengers, temperature/weather, or type/brand of car (unless there is some special deal going).  The charging SPEED will be affected by temperature, charger type, shared capacity load at the charging center, car type/model, and state of charge.  But that isn't what you were asking about.  Speed doesn't affect cost at all.
 
3) The price will be whatever that charging station is pricing per kWh at that time, multiplied by however many kilowatt hours you consume.

Like gas stations, they will price whatever they want, within market pressure.  The cost of electricity will vary from region to region, similar to gas. However, unlike gas, in some areas, electricity is priced more during certain hours of the day.  So that will be reflected in the price charged to the customer as well.  The pricing will be disclosed at the charger and/or app.  I haven't been to a public charging station before, but I don't think they have signs with prices on it like gas stations typically do.  Most people do their shopping in [phone or car] "apps".

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Sorry, not being flip or sarcastic, I have asked every single person that has an EV and have gotten the same vague answer, many variables, nobody can tell me.

Because you aren't asking a specific question that CAN be answered.  It would be like asking "how much will it cost to fill a vehicle with gas", unanswerable with unknown tank capacity, unknown retailer, and unknown location/region.  If you asked "how much will 50kWh cost at 8pm on a Tesla charger in central Virginia- that can be answered easily.

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So, I know when you use a public charger, you need to use your phone or credit card, what's the charge when it comes up on your bill for that charge time?

See above.  Even before you initiate charge, you will know the cost per kWh.  And while you are charging, it will indicate (at the charger or app) the price, the rate you are charging at that moment (since it will vary), and the price so far.  You can stop the charging at any time.  It is no different than using a gas pump, except it will take a LOT longer to "pump" that electricity :)

A far, far more complicated question to answer is "how long" will a charge take.
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Open Forum / Re: New car time- shocking
« Last post by Strawboss on May 18, 2025, 09:04:05 AM »
If I heard correctly, not too long ago Toyota offered a free battery change when it was needed, I'm sure this offer is over. CVT, that's the big problem, all EV's have CVT's, which last about 80,000 miles and then need to be replaced at a cost of about $6000 give or take depending on maker. So, with the battery replacement and the tranny replacement, at roughly the same time, that for me is a big deal breaker for now.

Sorry, you lost me at ...."at home, it's very simple"... 30 miles for $1.56? So, about $9.00 to go 270 miles? So, drive up to a public charger with a half charge, plug in, 75 degrees, 40% humidity, no wind, sunny, just you in the car, no luggage, regular time, same as home, same voltage, same, everything as at home, what's it cost?

Sorry, not being flip or sarcastic, I have asked every single person that has an EV and have gotten the same vague answer, many variables, nobody can tell me.

So, I know when you use a public charger, you need to use your phone or credit card, what's the charge when it comes up on your bill for that charge time?

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Open Forum / Re: New car time- shocking
« Last post by maxtog on May 18, 2025, 07:25:36 AM »
Until the range and battery replacement costs and transmissions are worked out to where they can mimic a gasoline car, one on one, an EV is not in my future.

The range is probably almost there now, depending on your use case.  Moreso if you get a "big battery" version, like I did.  The advertised range for this model (Platinum AWD) is around 267 miles mixed, and lots of reviews confirm that is very realistic.  That is more range than the Concours :)   But, of course, I can fill the Concours in 5 minutes anywhere.

Battery replacement cost- well, that is likely to improve, but it will always be very expensive.  If you put low mileage, like I do, then it will essentially last "forever".  If not, it has to be a factor.  I don't know what you mean by "transmissions".  There really isn't one, at least, not like we typically think of one.  The Ariya Platinum has two motors and two "transmissions", but they are really only fixed gear reduction differentials with no gear shifts or controls (other than a parking cogs).  Very simple, pretty much maintenance free from what I can tell.

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Let us know how it goes, I'm interested in the range.

Well, it will take a very long time for me to know, based on how little I drive :)

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Also, no one can tell me exactly how much it costs to charge one up, at home, at a public charge station, etc... and how long it takes.

That is because there are so many factors involved.  Charging time depends on battery size, temperature, battery management systems, SOG (state of current charge), charger size, charger capacity at the time, etc.  And that says nothing about the range for that charge, which depends on temperature, what accessories are used (HVAC for example), weight, how you drive- what speed, how much you accelerate, how much braking regeneration is available, how much added weight in cargo/people, etc.

The cost at home is very simple.  Simply look at your electric bill and find your $ per kWh.  Then multiply what you put into the vehicle.  As a test, I put 10KWh in the car and current rate is about $0.1564 per kWh (from bill, which includes taxes/fees/etc).  So that is $1.56.  According to the car, my last driving average was about 3 miles per kWh, so that gave me maybe around another 30 miles of travel. 

I have not tried a charging station (level 3 DC), I might never.  EV's have AC chargers built into the vehicle.  I can charge at home with level 1, currently only at 120V/12A, because the included EVSE can only do that or level 2 at 240V/30A with 50A plug/circuit (neither the car nor included EVSE has any adjustment for amperage pull, which is an atypical limitation).  I only have a 240V/30A plug/circuit, which is not enough/not compatible with that EVSE at level 2.  I would have to purchase a third-party EVSE (around $250 to $350) which can do 240V/24A and that would work on my outlet/circuit, and allow charging 400% faster.  I am considering it.

The Ariya Platinum has an 86kWh battery.  At level 1, it would take over 60 hours to charge from 0 to 100%.  Since I almost never travel tons of miles, and it sits unused in the garage for days at a time, regularly, anyway, and I will likely never wait until 0% to charge, it doesn't matter for me.  I am more likely to plug it in at 50% and charge to 80% or similar, and that takes 18 hours, by my computations, on level 1.  That same would take 4.5 hours at level 2.  But if I plan to go somewhere more distant, I might need to make sure I plan ahead to have it fully charged.  And if it is a trip beyond range, then I would have to figure out the DC fast charge situation.
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The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 / Re: Fuel starvation mystery when tank low
« Last post by maxtog on May 18, 2025, 06:53:29 AM »
The trip home was a short one, but the fuel level was low, and I rolled on the throttle several times (where I could) with no problems.  So hopefully that is the end of this saga.

I don't really know exactly how much fuel is in the tank, they said they added 2 gal and it is indicating 2 bars.  I can't go by my trip meter, obviously, is was set from full before the service.  It is probably in the range that would have caused some problems, before the service.  I rode 50 miles last night and had zero issues.  But it still didn't register low fuel warning (which it would have if there were 2 gal to start with and I put 55 miles on it after).  Will will riding another 70 or so today, probably, but will have to fill it up first, so it will be a while before I am 100% certain.  But I am about 99% sure.
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Open Forum / Re: New car time- shocking
« Last post by DC Concours on May 17, 2025, 09:18:36 AM »
I am looking at getting a used EV.

Can Anyone recommend a reliable used Toyota ev model other than a Prius?
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Open Forum / Re: New car time- shocking
« Last post by Strawboss on May 17, 2025, 09:10:06 AM »
Our newest car is a 2015 Ford Fiesta. we have no plans to replace it anytime soon. It is primarily my wife's car and she is essentially local, no trips beyond 50 miles, an EV would be perfect for her, beyond perfect in fact. Two things though. She will absolutely not even think about an EV, no way, no how, ain't gonna happen. Until the range and battery replacement costs and transmissions are worked out to where they can mimic a gasoline car, one on one, an EV is not in my future.

Let us know how it goes, I'm interested in the range. Also, no one can tell me exactly how much it costs to charge one up, at home, at a public charge station, etc... and how long it takes.
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Open Forum / Re: New car time- shocking
« Last post by maxtog on May 16, 2025, 07:43:42 PM »
Personally, I find the "driver assist" devices in all new cars are what puts me off

I am a tech/gadget freak, so I do like features.  And some of the driver assist stuff I do find useful.  The Ariya Platinum is packed with features.  I already absolutely love the air conditioned seats,  360-degree cameras, remote HVAC control, "kick air" to auto-open the liftgate/hatch, folding mirrors, video rear-view mirror, etc, etc.

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that and the lack of interior space.

I think that is well-addressed in the Ariya.

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If I am driving the car it should do what I tell it, not what it thinks it should do.

Yeah, I have no problems with reasonably-implemented warnings (lane departure, blind spot, driver sleep detection, pedestrian crossing, parking stuff, etc) but I am not crazy about "interventions".  On the Ariya, you can generally select warnings or intervention.

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Over here all those can be disabled, but when you turn the ignition off and on again, it re-enables all of them which I hate.

Yes, that is the part I hate about most of those things.  For example, the drive mode reverts back to "Standard" every time.  Why?  But many of the settings are "sticky."

I am not likely to ever use the automatic parking, or semi-autonomous driving stuff.

What I am most concerned about is the telemetry crap.  It seems all new vehicles now spy on everything you do and send it to HQ.  And the "subscription" services that are needed to keep much of the tech [fully] operational, that is annoying.
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Open Forum / Re: New car time- shocking
« Last post by maxtog on May 16, 2025, 07:32:08 PM »
I drove a Chevy Bolt occasionally at work a few years ago, nice for around town but just not for me. I never heard of Ariya, who makes it?

Nissan.  But in trim respects, the Platinum might have been badged as an Infiniti (which of course is still Nissan).

Interestingly, I had never heard of it either.  It went completely under my radar.  Mostly because I had narrowed my vision too much.  Once I did discover it, I kinda dismissed it because I really wasn't interested in SUVs, even if it is a "crossover".  Researched it a ton, and it checked so many of my boxes.  Once I experienced it, I realized maybe I was wrong.
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Open Forum / Re: New car time- shocking
« Last post by maxtog on May 16, 2025, 07:27:03 PM »
Good for you. Why not a Tesla? Supposedly they are giving those away.

Top 5:
1) They are ugly
2) They do not have real dashboards
3) They do not have real controls
4) The build quality is a bit questionable
5) They are not as comfortable

In most respects, the Ariya Platinum walks all over a Tesla.  Especially in the areas that were most important to me.

I find it amazing something this heavy can go 0-60 in 4.8sec, and with barely a whisper.  It is freaky.  Of course, you can feel the weight in other ways :)
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Open Forum / Re: New car time- shocking
« Last post by Strawboss on May 16, 2025, 12:12:20 PM »
I drove a Chevy Bolt occasionally at work a few years ago, nice for around town but just not for me. I never heard of Ariya, who makes it?
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