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Planning a track day and have a few questions
« on: May 17, 2012, 07:55:53 PM »
I am planning to do a day or two on track in the next few weeks. I have new tires ordered, PR3's with the 190/55 rear. I know the subject has been brought up before  but I don't recall the final decision on balancing. I know one dealer insists on using dynabeads. Is this a deal breaker? Do I absolutely want them conventionally balanced?
The track also requires me to change out the glycol based coolant for the other stuff or plain water/water wetter. What would you guys use?
All lights have to be taped up. I am guessing I just use electrical tape and do a couple strips on each lens? They suggested I disconnect the lights so the bulb heat doesn't bake on the tape. Is there some fuses I can pull to shut down all the lighting?
They require boots covering the ankles. I have a pair that go just over my ankles or I could use my dirt bike boots. The regular boots are more comfortable but the dirt riding boots offer a lot more protection. I have a hard time shifting accurately in the dirt boots as well. What do you think on that?

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 10:23:41 PM »
Pull what bulbs you can, tape over the ones you can't. Following a bonehead with his turn signal on is quite a distraction, especially if the 'tape' he/she used is translucent. Yes, I followed one once. No lights on your scooter, none zero zilch.

Drain/flush the antifreeze out. Save it in a bucket if you'd like to re-use it once done with track day. I suspect you're about due for a coolant flush anyway ;) Spilled antifreeze on asphalt is slipperier than greased snot. For the limited time you'll be on the track, plain water will work just fine. For a warm fuzzy, add a can of radiator anti-rust goop to the plain water.

Boots that cover your ankles, nuff said. Your ankles will be a bloody pulp if you 'tip over', don't be a dope. BMX boots should work just fine, if you're fairly used to shifting with them. You won't be doing any split-second shifting on your first (or second) track day. Note: Did they mention anything about body gear? Typically it's upper/lower protection. Either one piece, or two piece that zips together (or duct tape them together). Fabric or leather, they don't seem to care.

Scrub your new tires in before track day, scrub them in well. And put lead (or tin) weights on, save the Dyna-Beads for the fookin trash can  ::)  ;)

They may want you to tape up your mirrors too. Bring some lunch baggies along, slip one over each mirror. Then tape the baggie up, just catching the finish/plastic of the mirror with the tape. You'll know why at the end of track day when you have to remove gobs of tape ;)

Track day isn't about raw speed and razor sharp shifting/braking, though you'll have opportunities to do so. Relax, become one with your bike. Get to know your limits. All the traffic is going the same way, there's no crap in the curves, the pavement is uniform/predictable, and any traffic cops are spectators in the bleachers, or dicing it up alongside you ;)

And bring a full tank of fuel too, trust me here ;)

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2012, 12:40:38 AM »
+1^^  no lights, no antifreeze, no dynabeads etc... you can use painters tape (i use duct tape on my zx headlights and front signals) tail light and rear signals have been removed and i just pull the fuses for all my lighting circuits to keep the tape from being cooked on.

what org are you riding with? i ride mostly with nesba and i've done a few days with team promotion. what ever org you're riding with should have a riders manual that will tell you what gear you NEED and what the minimum bike prep is.

one piece suit is best. two piece with a full circumference zipper is acceptable and actually what i use. leather is best. some orgs will let you ride in a one piece aerostitch (sp?) but afaik, most want to see leather. duct taping a two piece together is NOT a good idea and i guarantee it will not pass tech inspection.

some orgs require a back protector, others STRONGLY suggest one. you want gauntlet style gloves that cover the wrist. undamaged full face helmet (no modular). some orgs want the helmet to be less than 5 years old too.

another thing to consider is your oil. even if it's not required, it's a good idea to safety wire your oil filter, drain plug and the fill plug/dip stick. the oil filter is easy (if you're using a k&n with the nut even easier. i don't care for the k&n oil filters but that's a whole different thread... ;) ) if your filter doesn't have a nut welded to it, just put a big hose clamp on it and safety wire the hose clamp to a bolt/bracket or something solid on the bike. you want to make sure the safety wire is pulling in the direction of tightening the filter. same with the drain plug/fill plug. i understand you're not running a dedicated track bike but you really don't want to be THAT guy that just ran a lap around the track dropping oil all over the race line. you will NOT make a lot of friends that way and the clean up will be LONG... if you're not comfortable with drilling bolts for safety wire you should be able to purchase pre-drilled drain and fill plugs. it's really not hard to do though. just have a good bit, some type of cutting oil to preserve the bit and a lot of patience. another option would be to put a dab of rtv silicone on the drain and fill plugs to keep them from vibrating loose.

are you planning on riding to the track or are you trailering? i would definitely suggest you trailer to the track. it's a long day at the track and you WILL be worn out at the end of the day. god forbid you end up throwing your bike down the track, you may not have a ride home. as the saying goes, "don't bring something to the track that your not willing to leave in the dumpster on the way out." let's be honest here sometimes **** happens and it might be through no fault of your own. it's also easier to bring an ez up, chair, cooler with plenty of water, sports drinks, extra gas, etc.

what track are you riding and when?

when you get there check your ego at the gate. i don't care how fast you THINK you are on the street, prepare to be humiliated. just relax and have fun. get with a coach or a cr (control rider) they're there for you. they'll show you the lines and help get you up to speed.

also, prepare to be highly addicted. they don't call it track crack for nothing. once you take that first hit, you're hooked, BIG TIME!!! trust me, my name is tom and i'm addicted to track...  ;D
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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 03:59:13 AM »
for the lights and mirrors, i use blue painters tape. i also pull fuses for the headlight and others so they don't heat up and the tape comes off easier. they are right under the seat.


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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2012, 05:39:32 AM »
Painters tape, saftey wire for oil filter and drain bolt (I brought a pre-drilled bolt), pull fuses for lights (easy), remove license plate.

Think about tire pressure, especially if its cold. I've run around 38's. I also have PR3s and taken them edge to edge, their great.

As for me, good boots/gloves, textile jacket with armor and back protector, leather pants. I'm thinking about a suit at some point.

Bring plenty of water, snacks as its hard work.

Oh and like others have said, take it easy if this is your first....slow and smooth.

Where are you going, I'm planning my next day in June up in NH.
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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2012, 08:02:57 AM »
Before you get carried away with all of these preparations, why don't you ask the track or organiser what their requirements are? I have done track days that did not require safety wiring or changing anti-freeze, just taping up the headlights and mirrors.

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 08:37:42 AM »
I am still looking at where to go. I know I can go to the track in Joliet, IL next Sunday. They can rent me leathers and I have boots and gloves and helmet.
Painters tape sounds much better than electrical tape as far as cleaning off after the fact. If I ride this track day, it is with Sportbike Track Time. Their site gives me the impression  their novice class is more about teaching than some of the other track day sites. The instruction is the main reason I want to go. I know my riding sucks and want someone to teach me.

Kawaholic, I really didn't need to read this,
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"don't bring something to the track that your not willing to leave in the dumpster on the way out."
I am having a hard time thinking about putting my Connie at risk. The thought of wadding her up really makes me nervous. I just want a day of aggressive riding without worrying about sand and gravel in my lane or oncoming traffic. My intent is start dead last in my group so I don't get in anyone's way until they start lapping me!
I just talked to a guy about the other track I was thinking about. It is a private deal so no outsiders are allowed to ride. I think I am going to wait for the next date which is June 16-17. That will give me more time to get the bike ready.

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2012, 08:41:34 AM »
Before you get carried away with all of these preparations, why don't you ask the track or organiser what their requirements are? I have done track days that did not require safety wiring or changing anti-freeze, just taping up the headlights and mirrors.

I did contact their rep and he told me I had to tape and change coolant. No need for safety wiring in the novice class.

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 11:25:09 AM »
Matt,

I'm a novice track day attendee, I've only every been on the track twice with my Connie and both last year. So I'm coming at this from your level I'm pretty sure. Actually planning to attend another this June.

By key bit of advice is go, enjoy it, don't pressure yourself, listen, learn from the people running the event and the other attendees. I learn't a lot from just chatting to the other guys and gals riding.

And don't worry about speed, focus on being smooth and have fun.

Here's a right up of my experience, I think my post to this forum was lost in the crash.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,26533.msg103979.html#msg103979

Here's is a video, and you should be able to find a few more under my name...but the site is not working for some reason, so you might want to check another day.

http://contour.com/stories/nh-speedway-trackday-frontview-edited



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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012, 03:38:06 PM »
+1^^  no lights, no antifreeze, no dynabeads etc... you can use painters tape (i use duct tape on my zx headlights and front signals) tail light and rear signals have been removed and i just pull the fuses for all my lighting circuits to keep the tape from being cooked on.

what org are you riding with? i ride mostly with nesba and i've done a few days with team promotion. what ever org you're riding with should have a riders manual that will tell you what gear you NEED and what the minimum bike prep is.

one piece suit is best. two piece with a full circumference zipper is acceptable and actually what i use. leather is best. some orgs will let you ride in a one piece aerostitch (sp?) but afaik, most want to see leather. duct taping a two piece together is NOT a good idea and i guarantee it will not pass tech inspection.

some orgs require a back protector, others STRONGLY suggest one. you want gauntlet style gloves that cover the wrist. undamaged full face helmet (no modular). some orgs want the helmet to be less than 5 years old too.

another thing to consider is your oil. even if it's not required, it's a good idea to safety wire your oil filter, drain plug and the fill plug/dip stick. the oil filter is easy (if you're using a k&n with the nut even easier. i don't care for the k&n oil filters but that's a whole different thread... ;) ) if your filter doesn't have a nut welded to it, just put a big hose clamp on it and safety wire the hose clamp to a bolt/bracket or something solid on the bike. you want to make sure the safety wire is pulling in the direction of tightening the filter. same with the drain plug/fill plug. i understand you're not running a dedicated track bike but you really don't want to be THAT guy that just ran a lap around the track dropping oil all over the race line. you will NOT make a lot of friends that way and the clean up will be LONG... if you're not comfortable with drilling bolts for safety wire you should be able to purchase pre-drilled drain and fill plugs. it's really not hard to do though. just have a good bit, some type of cutting oil to preserve the bit and a lot of patience. another option would be to put a dab of rtv silicone on the drain and fill plugs to keep them from vibrating loose.

are you planning on riding to the track or are you trailering? i would definitely suggest you trailer to the track. it's a long day at the track and you WILL be worn out at the end of the day. god forbid you end up throwing your bike down the track, you may not have a ride home. as the saying goes, "don't bring something to the track that your not willing to leave in the dumpster on the way out." let's be honest here sometimes **** happens and it might be through no fault of your own. it's also easier to bring an ez up, chair, cooler with plenty of water, sports drinks, extra gas, etc.

what track are you riding and when?

when you get there check your ego at the gate. i don't care how fast you THINK you are on the street, prepare to be humiliated. just relax and have fun. get with a coach or a cr (control rider) they're there for you. they'll show you the lines and help get you up to speed.

also, prepare to be highly addicted. they don't call it track crack for nothing. once you take that first hit, you're hooked, BIG TIME!!! trust me, my name is tom and i'm addicted to track...  ;D

Excellent advice.  I did some road racing about 30 years ago.  I did ride my bike to the track and home, but trailering it would have been nice (and I did after that of course).  And the comment about leaving your ego at the gate is right on.  Ride what your are comfortable with, and don't worry if a 200lb ugly chick passes you.   In my first race I finished 17th out of 26 and thought I did good.  My second race I finished 17th....but dead last because the other 9 riders didn't show up.  I wound up doing pretty good eventually, but there is a BIG difference between "pretty good" and the really good riders.
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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012, 04:17:56 PM »
I'm not going to race or anything like that. I'm just trying to get those lean alarms to quiet down in my head somewhat. I got a line on a more street oriented group that is running at Putnam Park next Sunday. Price is right but I will have to buy a pair of riding pants to match my jacket. They have to be zipped together at least partially. The track is less than 40 miles from home so I will just ride to it and if I crash, a trailer is only an hour away. Talking with the guy, he said they welcome anyone from first time motorcyclists to advanced club racers and they have coaches and some class room instruction.

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 04:35:51 AM »
if a track day can be labeled as instructional and not competitive, your insurance will (may  ;)) cover everything. here in MN zars has track days, i have done some. called my agent, they called progressive, all covered. Had no incidents, but a slight relief even though it was my way home.

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 08:45:01 AM »
First thing I did was talk to my agent. Initially he talked to one guy at main office who said it would be covered then I asked about drag strip on run what you bring nights. He talked with another guy who said all activities on any track are not covered.
I got a line on a wrecked but rideable RC51. Mostly plastics and a bent front rim. That may be a decent expendable track bike. I really wasn't looking for something with that much HP but if the price is right, I'll go for it and protect my Connie. It will delay a track day this weekend if I work out a deal on it.

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 06:43:34 PM »
Dude, check the requirements for the track/group you will be riding. 

Here in FL for a regular "track day" its usually required only to replace the anti-freeze with water or water wetter and tape the bike off.

At Road Atlanta last time they actually made me take my street plate off. I was $%#^ing baffled but hey it was the group i was with (sportbiketracktime.com) required it and to pass tech i had to do it.

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2012, 08:09:09 PM »
This group I may ride with sunday only requires I tape up the lenses, Snell cert helmet and a Zipped together textile suit for the novice class. If I do it again and go up to intermediate, then I have to do the antifreeze swap, safety wire certain items and full leathers.
I intend to have my Contour HD camera helmet mounted at least for first and last runs of the day for a comparison. I may do a few runs with it on the rear swingarm or somewhere else just for fun. I will be riding to the track since it is only 30 miles away so my saddle bags will be full of all my gear. I don't want to carry a lot of extra weight on the track plus if I do have an accident, at least I won't have to replace those.

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Re: Planning a track day and have a few questions
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2012, 09:13:04 PM »
Before you get carried away with all of these preparations, why don't you ask the track or organiser what their requirements are? I have done track days that did not require safety wiring or changing anti-freeze, just taping up the headlights and mirrors.

This!

I've never had to safety wire anything for a novice trackday. I used painters tape for lights and mirrors. Standard wheel weights are fine.

A good quality tire gauge is money well spent.

When in doubt ask the trackday organizer most of them are very eager to help. They want you to be safe and have fun so you come back an do it again. There is normally a tire guy on sight that will help with any tire pressure questions.

I'm not a big fan of riding your bike to the track just because of how tired you will be at the end of the day and you still want your skills sharp for the ride home.

Make sure to drink lots of water!
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