Yep, true enough- those with C-14s made in 2010 or later only have one fob with a battery in it. Us old- timers with earlier bikes have two fobs that require batteries. Just another sign of the changing times. Why when I was young and riding the first year model C-14, things were a LOT tougher. Not like the girly- man riding the current bikes. We used to carry dozens hundreds of fobs and even then it wasn't enough- you never knew if the bike would start or not. We didn't care 'cause we were tough back in 'dem days.... why I remember trying to ride a C-14 that would not start to school and pushing the bike both ways.... uphill, in the snow! You kids today whine and complain because you have to push the starter button to fire the bike up; back in the good ole' days, we used to start 'em by blowing into the intake ducts hard enough to turn the engines over and remember, we only had 15,000 weight oil back then.... Yep, that's the ticket.
Brian
Brought a crated new 2010 in March 2010, and no its never happened before. I always carry the mini FOB with me so I have no concerns. I'll monitor and if it dies I'll replace the battery.
Otherwise it was a nice fresh ride up to Maine, I love this bike.
If the battery is dead in a fob and you start the bike by placing the fob on the ignition knob, this is all good, however, when you're riding the bike with a dead battery in the fob, why won't the bike think the FOB has been dropped...? Why won't the bike display the "No Transponder" message and in 10 seconds shut the bike down?Great question! I'd like to know this also.
If the battery is dead in a fob and you start the bike by placing the fob on the ignition knob, this is all good, however, when you're riding the bike with a dead battery in the fob, why won't the bike think the FOB has been dropped...? Why won't the bike display the "No Transponder" message and in 10 seconds shut the bike down?
Two important points here. The first is that KiPass simply cannot shut the bike down under any circumstances. That would be a disaster waiting for a place to happen; no authentication system that I am aware of can do this, they simply allow or disallow starting the bike but once the bike is running they are inert (other than possibly displaying a message but they cannot interfere with the operation of the bike / engine).
The second thing is that if the RFID portion of KiPass is used, the bike will not look for a fob again at any time during that running cycle. If the bike is started using the RF (remote) part of KiPass, then the bike looks at specific times to sense the presence of a valid fob- shifting into high gear, passing a certain speed and perhaps other specific points of operation. That is why if you start the bike with a remote fob and then drop the fob during the ride, the display will show a transponder error. But if the bike is started using the RFID portion (holding a fob close to the ignition switch housing) it is expected that that fob will be removed for the rest of the bike's operation so the system does not look for the presence of an RFID fob again once the bike is started. The fob will not attach in any way to the housing so it would be logical that after using the fob in that manner a person would put that fob in a pocket or similar for the ride.
The system is reasonably well thought out and has addressed expected situations such as dead fob batteries, etc.
Brian
Two important points here. The first is that KiPass simply cannot shut the bike down under any circumstances. That would be a disaster waiting for a place to happen; no authentication system that I am aware of can do this, they simply allow or disallow starting the bike but once the bike is running they are inert (other than possibly displaying a message but they cannot interfere with the operation of the bike / engine).
The second thing is that if the RFID portion of KiPass is used, the bike will not look for a fob again at any time during that running cycle. If the bike is started using the RF (remote) part of KiPass, then the bike looks at specific times to sense the presence of a valid fob- shifting into high gear, passing a certain speed and perhaps other specific points of operation. That is why if you start the bike with a remote fob and then drop the fob during the ride, the display will show a transponder error. But if the bike is started using the RFID portion (holding a fob close to the ignition switch housing) it is expected that that fob will be removed for the rest of the bike's operation so the system does not look for the presence of an RFID fob again once the bike is started. The fob will not attach in any way to the housing so it would be logical that after using the fob in that manner a person would put that fob in a pocket or similar for the ride.
The system is reasonably well thought out and has addressed expected situations such as dead fob batteries, etc.
Brian
The second thing is that if the RFID portion of KiPass is used, the bike will not look for a fob again at any time during that running cycle. [...]
Good info! I never knew that when started with RFID no further messages will occur. Whenever I get another low transponder battery message I will start with RFID until I can replace the battery.
See my above message. To start the Concours, you are always using RFID.
Never mind I didn't see your post on this. Yes by RFID I was (and I believe Brian was) referring to passive mode.
Just a technicality, but I believe the system is always RFID. It is active RFID when you use the wireless, remote, larger, active RFID fob. It is passive RFID when you hold a non-powered (dead/missing battery) active RFID fob OR the smaller passive RFID fob in contact with the ignition area. Either way it is radio frequency identification. At least, this is my understanding.
No problem. I am just trying to nip this terminology situation quickly before people start saying "RFID" to mean "Passive RFID". It could end up confusing some people in some cases (or perhaps not and I am just full of ****).
It is the same reason I *REFUSE* to call the passive fob a "credit card fob". It is nothing like a credit card in shape, dimensions, weight, appearance, or function. Better to call it what it really is.
I jam C14 owners all of the time.
It is amusing. Those C14 owners who know me laugh about it.
Novice C14 owners get all worried when their bike won't start.
http://www.legalspeeding.com/HARD-System.htm