Ryan,
Man those look absolute great! I hats off to you guys for doing this. My wife bought a concours for me at Christmas and I was about to pull the trigger for the r&g bars over at twisted throttle. Then, I saw this thread start up. I have an 08' so I will wait till the group injury on those. Anyway, thanks for building such great products.
Huero
Thanks, Huero! Hopefully we'll be getting the '08-'09 bike in sometime soon. We neglected a bit of normal business while building these bars so it may be 2-3 weeks before we get another bike in our shop but it's definitely on our agenda. I'll keep you guys updated as well when I hear more on when we may be getting the bike in!
Not to be sarcastic, but at what point did the bike tip over completely to the side. Was it during the full drop test? I do not imagine in the shop you were able to get up much speed and then have an employee drop the bike. From my perspective it does not seem it would take much for the bike to go past the Canyon Cages first stop. Looks like anything more than an assisted lay down will cause it to roll over past the initial strike zone. My reason for this post is, I really like the new design, and unfortunately, we do not have a drop test as your original video that was posted on line.
If I understand you correctly, these were designed for the assisted lay down that happens when you come to a stop or loose your footing/balance while stopped.
Earlier you had posted that the people who had bought the original bars would be given sometype of trade in deal. Have you worked that up or are the original group buy people now expected to sell the front bars on their own? Thanks for the effort and amount of time you have put forth on this project and the last group buy.
That didn't sound sarcastic at all, it's a valid concern! We laid the bike completely over on its side to get those photos I posted, it didn't happen during any of the drop tests. We did do a number of unassisted drops from about half way over in which the bike came to rest at that 45 degree spot. Seeing as how real world tip overs are rarely "unassisted" (most people are on the bike when it goes over and have time to get their feet down to slow the fall a tad) we figured the tests would suffice. We have done extensive drop tests with our bathroom bars (including full unassisted drops) and have learned a great deal from those tests. Even though the application has changed, many of the theories remain the same. Also, it actually does take quite a bit of force for the bike to roll over that initial impact point especially because the Canyon Cage is flatter on the bike than our bathroom bars. The bathroom bars are a tad bit rounder at the impact point which actually causes the bike to roll over a bit easier. However, the added protection of the bathroom bars helps account for the easier roll over. ZG may be able to help me explain how much force is really needed for the bike to rock over that initial hit point because our Canyon Cage hits the ground in a similar fashion as the TopBlocks do and he's seen the bike go over first hand. The bike is actually pretty sturdy at the 45 degree angle spot.
These bars were designed to offer as much protection as possible while remaining low profile enough for those of you who do intense canyon riding. These bars definitely offer protection for assisted and no-to-low speed tip overs but I believe they'll also help protect the bike during a range of other situations as well. It's just impossible to know exactly how much until we start selling sets and have people field "test" them. Based on knowledge gained from the testing we did with the Canyon Cage as well as the bathroom bars in the past, I truly believe we've created a product that will hold up well. They almost look too low profile to truly protect the bike the way our bathroom bars do but I believe people will be surprised once they start hearing reviews from people who end up purchasing the bars.
The people who bought the bathroom bars during the first group buy are SCREWED! Hah! Totally kidding, wendel.
I will work with those of you who purchased the front bars during the group buy if you'd like to trade them in for the Canyon Cages. The Canyon Cages are going to be a bit less expensive so we'll most likely have the people send the bathroom bars back to us, send them the Canyon Cage, and then refund the difference. I'll have to handle those cases on a one-by-one basis though. Keep in mind that we have to resell the bathroom bars though so they have to be in perfect condition. We won't be able to handle an exchange if the bar is bent from a tip-over however if there are any scuffs or marks (including stuff like washer marks from installation) we'll take the exchange and have to charge the customer to have the bars stripped and redone. I know this is a bit strict but we value quality highly and don't want to resell products that are not in perfect condition as a courtesy to our future customers.
Phew! Sorry for that wall of text! It took more than I initially assumed to address your concerns! Hahahaha.
