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Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« on: March 12, 2012, 05:48:49 PM »
Morning All,

Well this last weekend I went on a three day 1,500km riding trip covering mostly back country roads with a day and a half in spent in the mountains. The bike went great and I was amazed at how well she performed through the twisties. Was able to ride really hard and to such an extent the rear tyre (stock) started to build up those little balls of rubber near the edge. I also spent a lot of time braking very hard into corners which put a lot of my weight forward onto my arms.

And now there is a problem.

Today my right hand is as weak as a newborn’s, and the outer two fingers on my left hand are still numb and tingly 24 hours later – I suspect I have bruised a nerve.  My left shoulder is in quite a bit of pain and last night couldn’t lift my arm above my shoulder although today it is a bit better.

I’m 5’8” with a Corbin seat so do now find myself leaning down on my hands quite a bit so I am thinking about some risers.  But after all the fun I had in the twisties I am worried they might change the sport attitude/handling of the bike a little. Although I'm also worried about being ni this much discomfort again...

Can anyone who has risers, and likes to give their bike a good thrash every once and a while, comment on the handling of the bike pre and post risers?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2012, 05:56:40 PM »
Herniated disc, most likely C5/C6, causing a pinched nerve.  You've got the classic symptoms.  I had the same thing except on the right side only.  You need to see a doctor and get at minimum an x-ray but more than likely an MRI to confirm.  Weakness is not a good sign.  You need to see the doctor as soon as possible. 
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 06:16:44 PM »
Jimmy,
Dont you think he would have had pain in his arms before he rode this weekend if it was an aggrevated C5-C6 disc?

Maybe the OP just needs to ride more, or do some strengthening exercises for riding?  I know the first few long rides of the season have me a lttle achey until i get back in the swing again..  Try strengthening your stomach muscles to help hold your core...

And to answer your original question... I think if you put too high of a riser on it will change your attitude on the bike....but their are alot of guys on here with risers that im sure can put the bike thru its paces..  Good luck finding what works for you

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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 07:08:18 PM »
Thanks guys.

The weak hand and tingly fingers is definitly a post ride sympton, was fine before I left.  My right hand has gotten tired before after a longish ride on the GTR, but this weekend was the longest with consequtive days. I do have reasonably good upper body strength, but agree with JJ there is probably some ride conditioning I could work on.
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 07:24:00 PM »
Thanks guys.

The weak hand and tingly fingers is definitly a post ride sympton, was fine before I left.  My right hand has gotten tired before after a longish ride on the GTR, but this weekend was the longest with consequtive days. I do have reasonably good upper body strength, but agree with JJ there is probably some ride conditioning I could work on.

From one Glenn to another, I have the same problem, after two days in the Arkansas Ozark mountains (several trips) I get the same tingly fingers, numbness and pain in both wrist. I already have bad wrist due to 30+ years of construction work but nothing affects them like hard riding. I am going to try some risers and see if I can get some of the weight off my wrist. I do know hard braking into the curves does add a lot of stress to the wrist and shoulders. I think there will be a short adjustment period but no real change in handling. good luck.

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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 07:31:07 PM »
Maybe a little- I found my C-14 got a little pompous and rude after putting risers on it but that attitude seems to have passed.... Sorry, couldn't resist :-)

Risers did not seem to badly change the handling on my bike but they do result in a new seating position, back and leg bend angles. Same thing with changing the peg height, the saddle height, width and forward / rearward placement. Unfortunately all of these things fit into the general sitting position and affect other aspects you probably will not have seen coming. The good news is that so many people use risers on a C-14 (GTR) that you might be able to buy a set used, and you can always sell a set if you find they do not suit you.

It also sounds like you might have too much pressure on the inside of your hands. Several people have tinkered around with the handlebar angle of these bikes and some have had good success. You can do a search for Phil's wedges on this forum and probably find some info. that might be useful. Also Heli Bars makes a fully adjustable set of bars for this bike- they are expensive but of very high quality and again, at least some folks have reported very positive things about them.

Best of luck.

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Morning All,

Well this last weekend I went on a three day 1,500km riding trip covering mostly back country roads with a day and a half in spent in the mountains. The bike went great and I was amazed at how well she performed through the twisties. Was able to ride really hard and to such an extent the rear tyre (stock) started to build up those little balls of rubber near the edge. I also spent a lot of time braking very hard into corners which put a lot of my weight forward onto my arms.

And now there is a problem.

Today my right hand is as weak as a newborn’s, and the outer two fingers on my left hand are still numb and tingly 24 hours later – I suspect I have bruised a nerve.  My left shoulder is in quite a bit of pain and last night couldn’t lift my arm above my shoulder although today it is a bit better.

I’m 5’8” with a Corbin seat so do now find myself leaning down on my hands quite a bit so I am thinking about some risers.  But after all the fun I had in the twisties I am worried they might change the sport attitude/handling of the bike a little. Although I'm also worried about being ni this much discomfort again...

Can anyone who has risers, and likes to give their bike a good thrash every once and a while, comment on the handling of the bike pre and post risers?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 07:43:03 PM »
I've had virtually the same symptoms as the OP and it happened gradually over a long ride.  Hurt so bad raising my arms to get my helmet off that I nearly cried.  It was agony riding home.  Had the tingling as well.  It ain't conditioning.  The OP needs to see a doctor to at least assess what's going on.  I've been there, done that, and have the t-shirt.  It ain't fun and it is classic symptoms of a pinched nerve in the C5/C6 area.  I have had my issue since last August and luckily for me it seems to be subsiding nearly 8 months later. 

I had an appt today with the doc and we discussed surgery.  Based on what he saw on the MRI he wanted me on the table now but based on the symptoms subsiding he wants to wait a bit. 

Last saturday was the first decent ride I had since last August.  356 miles on the back roads of southern Va.  Two months ago I couldn't do 25 miles.  I'm lucky so far but the op needs to get this checked out as it ain't nothing to make light of or say that it's a conditioning issue.  It's a medical issue with the spine..   Weakness, tingling, pain...it all adds up to something going on in the spinal area.  Don't kid yourselves.  And unless you've had this, you don't know.
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 07:59:03 PM »
Thanks for the info, Jim.  I appreciate you spelling it all out.
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2012, 08:01:50 PM »
Well this last weekend I went on a three day 1,500km riding trip covering mostly back country roads with a day and a half in spent in the mountains.  Was able to ride really hard [...]. I also spent a lot of time braking very hard into corners which put a lot of my weight forward onto my arms.

And now there is a problem.  Today my right hand is as weak as a newborn’s, and the outer two fingers on my left hand are still numb and tingly 24 hours later – I suspect I have bruised a nerve.  My left shoulder is in quite a bit of pain and last night couldn’t lift my arm above my shoulder although today it is a bit better.

It is quite likely you have caused a bit of strain and maybe pinched a nerve or two or have swelling that is putting pressure on a nerve.  It will likely heal, given time and rest.  Most likely, you "overdid" it with too much of a new activity and are paying for it now.  I would recommend ibuprofen and avoid riding for quite a while....  as bummer as that sounds :(

Slight differences can make a big difference under the right circumstances.

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Can anyone who has risers, and likes to give their bike a good thrash every once and a while, comment on the handling of the bike pre and post risers?

Risers will not affect the handling of the bike in ANY way.  Although it can affect nor normal weight distribution and position, which can affect YOUR handling of the bike.  Of course, you have the option of just bending over more again if necessary to compensate.  So it will adjust you, not the bike.  This could be good or bad, depending.

I have lots of problems with FMS/RSI/CTS AND I have short arms.  The Concours is unrideable for me, without risers.  But even those didn't totally fix the problem.  It was Phil's Wedges combined with risers that was the magic for me.  I can still have problems, but nothing like without those modifications.  Each person is different, though.
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2012, 09:34:29 PM »
Try Phil's apehangers. Less expensive than the Heli's. I only rode a short time last year with them but am impressed. I also suffered from numbness, etc. Pretty well gone now.

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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 12:07:29 AM »


Can anyone who has risers, and likes to give their bike a good thrash every once and a while, comment on the handling of the bike pre and post risers?

Thanks in advance.

I have both two inch risers and Phil's bar extenders installed.  There is no degradation in handling or in my ability to ride safely at high speed through any type of terrain.  I can probably maintain my abilities to a greater degree with this setup over stock because I'm comfortable and nothing hurts.  I bought my bike in Kansas, USA and rode it two thousand miles to my home in Oregon.  That trip was miserable because of he horrible strain caused by having weight on my arms plus a very aching back.  The stock windshield only amplified my misery.  With Cee Bailey's tallest windshield and comfortable placement of the handlebars I can ride it all day with no complaints. 
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2012, 07:29:56 AM »
I have a set of Murph's risers and have not noticed any lack of handling since putting them on. I like to ride in a spirited fashion when I get into the twisty roads and I think Tech Spec tank grips make a huge difference in keeping weight off of my wrists/arms.
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2012, 08:34:36 AM »
Morning All,

Well this last weekend I went on a three day 1,500km riding trip covering mostly back country roads with a day and a half in spent in the mountains. The bike went great and I was amazed at how well she performed through the twisties. Was able to ride really hard and to such an extent the rear tyre (stock) started to build up those little balls of rubber near the edge. I also spent a lot of time braking very hard into corners which put a lot of my weight forward onto my arms.

And now there is a problem.

Today my right hand is as weak as a newborn’s, and the outer two fingers on my left hand are still numb and tingly 24 hours later – I suspect I have bruised a nerve.  My left shoulder is in quite a bit of pain and last night couldn’t lift my arm above my shoulder although today it is a bit better.

I’m 5’8” with a Corbin seat so do now find myself leaning down on my hands quite a bit so I am thinking about some risers.  But after all the fun I had in the twisties I am worried they might change the sport attitude/handling of the bike a little. Although I'm also worried about being ni this much discomfort again...

Can anyone who has risers, and likes to give their bike a good thrash every once and a while, comment on the handling of the bike pre and post risers?

Thanks in advance.

Glennn

I'd take Jim's advice if I were you. Get in to see the doc ASAP. If it's nothing to worry about at least you find out.

I know nothing of disc issues but I do know something about the numbness in your fingers. If you have numbness in your pinky finger and (as strange as it sounds) the outer half of your ring finger, it's the ulnar nerve.



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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 09:54:21 AM »
Me, I must have long arms because if anything, I would like lower bars.  That said, I find the bar position (for me) to be a good compromise between comfort and handling.  The seating position is bolt upright, yet I can still manage to get my body in a reasonably good position in a heavy lean.

Unlike my 1200RT.  That thing was just awkward in a heavy lean.

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2012, 04:00:30 PM »
Thanks everyone for the feedback and advice.

After thinking about Jim's comments a bit I made an appointment to see the doc next week (erliest I could get in) so we'll see how that goes.

I like what I am reading about people's experience with risers and the handling of the bike (keep em coming if you got em) so will be looking at some risers and maybe wedges too in my near future.

Thanks again.

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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2012, 04:38:46 PM »
After thinking about Jim's comments a bit I made an appointment to see the doc next week (erliest I could get in) so we'll see how that goes.

Just don't be surprised if it is not terribly productive.  I can't tell you how many doctors I went through before eventually just giving up and accepting it.  After a while, you learn your limitations and adjust (plus try to adjust your environment some).  Hopefully you will have a much better experience.

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I like what I am reading about people's experience with risers and the handling of the bike (keep em coming if you got em) so will be looking at some risers and maybe wedges too in my near future.

Be prepared for a bit of experimentation; but I am confident that some combination of stuff will help.
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 10:17:30 AM »
I'm going to find out.  Just ordered a set of Murph's risers. 

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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2012, 09:18:01 PM »
Thought I would provide a follow-up to this thread.

Went to the Doc today and explained out my symptons.  While she agreed they could be signs of a compressed disc she has diagnosed it as nerve pressure damage in the hands from leaning on the bars heavily on that trip - similar to the images attached in this thread of pushbike riders.

Further supporting that I was riding the GTR the other day and consiously thought about my hand position on the handlebars. 

I found that when I am cornering quick and using the brake, my index and/or middle finger covers the brake twisting my hand sightly inwards putting pressure on the area between thumb and index finger - this is likely the cause of the weakness in my right hand from nerve pressure damage. 

Because of how I use my right hand in fast cornering/hard braking, my left hand takes slightly more weight and it twists outwards putting pressure along the outside edge of my hand - this is the likely cause of the tingling/numbness in my ring and little fingers from nerve pressure damage, and the fatigue pain I experience in my left shoulder.

The doc says that nerve damage will re-generate at a rate of 1mm per day (and take Sundays off  ::)) and says it could be like this for quite a few weeks more.  She is, however, confident I haven't done any permenant damage due to the strength in my right hand has mostly returned, and the tingling/numbness in my left has been slowly getting better.

I've ordered a set of risers and wedges from Murphs, as well as a new Cee Baily's screen so I'll see what they do for me.
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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2012, 10:02:07 PM »
What Jim and Conrad said.  Them nerves work some kinda voodoo, after my back surgery 6 months ago I had this pain on the front outside edge of my big toe and on the top of my foot.  Socks were a no go, blanket was a no go.  Water was required, but damn did it hurt.  Get checked.  Once ya get fixed up look into some LSL bars, Murphs sells em, they are easily positioned to fit your riding style and look nice too.

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Re: Do risers change the attitude of the bike?
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2012, 06:14:21 AM »
Glennn,

There's a company that sells some specialized MC gloves that have a unique set of pads that are sposed to help eliminate those pressure points in your hands. I can't remember the name of them though.
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