The safety nazis will say it is wrong and immoral not to wear a helmet or seatbelt due the burden on society the your becoming a veggie will cause. So your freedom is actually wrong and immoral.
Others have already mirrored my position, so I won't reply to any particular posting....
I am far more concerned with what is "right" or "wrong" than "legal" or "illegal".
I hope that we all know that it is illegal to download copyrighted material for which you do not have a license. But what I was asserting is that it is also *wrong*, and stated the reasons why.
What ticked me off and set the tone of my initial reply was the OP's last sentence saying that "Information is useless if it's never shared!" It is one thing to do something illegal. And it is much worse doing something that is "wrong". But that declaration implies that IT IS NOT WRONG and should be PROMOTED.
In my example of downloading a PDF that is not for sale for something I already PURCHASED in paper format- to the letter of the law, it is illegal. But it is not "wrong"... It deprives nobody of money or liberty (although the person posting/hosting is highly likely to be doing so). I used that example to illustrate the difference between legality and morality.
Another good example of something illegal but not "wrong" or "immoral" not wearing a seatbelt or helmet by an adult. Such laws remove liberty for an act that takes nobody else's liberty away. It dictates what an adult is allowed to do with their own body in their own space. As such, the law itself might be considered "wrong" or "immoral". That said, I would *NEVER* ride a motorcycle without a helmet, or a car without a seatbelt on. But I take great offense at the government telling me I have to do so. Anyway, I digress and hear myself rambling.... I will shut up now.
I am a firm believer the service manual should come with the vehicle in one form or the other.
With all due respect, I disagree with the helmet analogy. A motorcycle rider that is injured will invariably be treated whether or not that person has any type of insurance. So the cost is passed onto society at large.
Of course this is all just a conversation about a particular point; in reality, the reason Kawasaki would not want the electronic copy "loose" in the public domain is because it will be transferred among different people.
Kawasaki has to produce a service manual anyway for their products. It costs them to publish hard copies of it. It does not cost them anything to provide it for download on PDF. I am a firm believer the service manual should come with the vehicle in one form or the other.
although I don't own a newer c 14, I do own an older one that I already have a service manual for. I find it interesting to look at manuals for later units to see how things have changed. This in general is not worth the cost of a service manual but certainly worth the time of a download.
I knew that analogy would get me in trouble.
Insurance is *not* a valid reason to remove freedom. With that logic, riding without a proper armored jacket is far more dangerous than without- so it should be illegal to ride without one. But motorcycle riding is dangerous- far more dangerous than cars, regardless of what you do. So it would cost society a lot less to simply make motorcycles illegal. So we should also make alcohol, tobacco, fatty foods, sugary foods, skateboards, firearms, pit bulls, nail guns, (etc) illegal too....
100% correct. That is exactly why. BECAUSE people do the wrong thing, Kawasaki reacts in a way that makes other people suffer (like those of us who purchase the manual but also want access to the electronic version because it is more convenient to use).
<snip>Now for the disclaimer: this is NOT a political post. <snip>Actually, it is a political post, and sadly, you are arguing from and on the wrong side.
Brian
Actually, it is a political post, and sadly, you are arguing from and on the wrong side.
Best to let it drop.
No rancor, but it is political. The question is one of the Constitutionality of wealth transfers by the government to benefit some individuals at the expense of others. Some feel that caring for the unfortunate or ill-prepared is a proper moral obligation, but is an unconstitutional legal obligation. I would stand with those of that opinion. Therefore, I feel that your argument about social costs may be pragmatic, but that it is fundamentally and basically flawed.
I wonder if it would be OK to use the PDF copy if you held your fob while doing so?It depends on where and with what you are holding the fob (such is the power of KIPASS). And yes, the underlined word was a clue.
Brian, you know that I like and respect you. However, as I read and re-read your post, you have, indeed stated a political opinion. By the mere conceding of the argument that freedoms have been infringed, and that you are pleased with that, you have indicated a position. Perhaps not a fanatical, wild-eyed positions, but a concession that loss of freedom is inevitable or past correction, and that it is acceptable to go along to get along. I understand political pragmatism, and would not say that it is always a bad thing. But it still is a position, and it can often be read clearly, even if it retains plausible deniablity.
For better or worse, I've changed my tactics on these "pdf manual" threads. It is much easier to let the mods and Mama Kaw handle it from the "legal" side. If someone really wants to discuss the "moral" side, then it usually doesn't take too long to get the opposite points of view displayed and clarified.
I let myself get drawn into the political side of the freedom/societal cost discussion, because many who claim to value freedom do not understand just how far they may have drifted from the basic tenets thereof. As individuals and as nations, we have often traded freedom for security and comfort, to the extent that we find true freedom and responsibility almost foreign and often politically "incorrect" or unpopular.
I just happened to be studying up on the final drive on this bike when this thread came up. You folks who do not have the paper manual are really missing out- nothing like curling up with a good book on the first day of fall.
While I was there I did a quick review of the copyright and sure enough, Kawasaki reserves all rights on the entire publication (no surprise there). I wonder if it would be OK to use the PDF copy if you held your fob while doing so?
Kirby