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Offline Zteve

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2011, 09:37:52 PM »
The deer excuse doesn't work for me either.

A. You are coming toward them, and the sound is projected out the back of the bike, away from them, so all it's going to do is make them stop munching grass and look up sooner.

B. If you are sane, you'll be on the brakes when you see the deer, not the throttle, meaning the sound will be much lower anyway.

C. I have really loud exhaust right now (I'm working on it), and 4 of the 8 deer I saw last weekend ran in front of me (to be fare, 2 were not near me though, so it's more like 4 of 6).  The last one didn't really run across the road, more like pranced.  As I was passing it, I beeped the horn to get it to hurry up a little.

My buddy has those deer whistles on his bike.  One of these days I'll take him with me, and let him lead.  Then I'll see if they run from him.
So your horn scared em but that really loud pipe didn't. ::)

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2011, 09:39:34 PM »

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2011, 09:41:30 PM »
Sorry for the thread hijack Eric.

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2011, 10:05:09 PM »
Sorry for the thread hijack Eric.

My last bike was a TL1000R with Yosh exhaust on it and it was nice and loud, yet I almost hit a doe and her brother last year on our big summer ride. They didn't care about the pipes.
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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2011, 10:17:07 PM »
My last bike was a TL1000R with Yosh exhaust on it and it was nice and loud, yet I almost hit a doe and her brother last year on our big summer ride. They didn't care about the pipes.
With stealth pipes that "almost" word may not be there. Glad you made it by em.

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2011, 11:18:54 PM »
So your horn scared em but that really loud pipe didn't. ::)

Not really, but I was already passing it so there was no risk of hitting it by then.  I was just trying to coax it off the road a little quicker, since it didn't seem to be in a hurry.  I think all I did was make it hop one more time.   ;)
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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2011, 05:26:57 AM »
So your horn scared em but that really loud pipe didn't. ::)

Strange, agreed.  But horns do face forward, and their frequencies are much different.  Plus it might have been a combination of being visible and sound.  I don't have any reason not to believe him.  I still say that, when it comes to deer, nothing is reliable or predictable.
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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2011, 07:04:23 AM »
I'm gonna go scare some deer now. ;D
Hopefully the sound of my pipe will emanate enough to alert some deer, not every deer, not all deer, not big deer, not small deer, just some deer.

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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2011, 08:30:03 AM »
I'd like to offer some real-life experience concerning this post and another than said (I'm paraphrasing), "more exhaust flow equals more power".
I build scale models of old engines, steam & Internal combustion. The last one I built was a double-acting, single cylinder, 6-cycle gas engine that, in addition to the normal 4-cycles, performed the exhaust stroke, held the Ex. valve open for an additional intake & exhaust stroke to purge the cylinder, then did the usual intake-combustion stroke. The cylinder is approx. 1.250 diameter and the plans specified a restriction in the exhaust pipe of .048 diameter! That's smaller than a pencil-lead!  Well my instinct told me "more is better", I knew that had to be wrong so I made it a 3/8" pipe. Long story short I could not get it to run. As a last resort after days of tinkering, I put in a restriction smaller than specified in the exhaust pipe and it ran perfectly. Even with the full exhaust-intake-exhaust through that tiny hole, and one additional revolution of the flywheel without a power stroke, it would not run with a free flow of gases!
Sometimes intuition isn't correct and just maybe the engineers building today's sophisticated engines know what they're doing. It's easy to equate more noise with more power, just ask the Hardley owners.  :o
Very interesting, I'd love to understand that design better!  On a similar note, having worked with 2 stroke motors for a while back in the day, similarly if you tried any of this funny business with one of their pipes the engine *might* run, but it would run very poorly.  They relied, as well, on the tuning harmonic nature of the pipe to extract gases as well as to stop the extraction at a precise interval.  The pressure wave in the expansion chamber would bounce back and actually slow or stop the escaping gas from entering the exhaust pipe.  I still love the 2 stroke motor designs.  But alas, apparently every time I start a 2 stroke motor a baby kitten dies somewhere, so they are all but extinct now.

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2011, 11:49:40 AM »
Strange, agreed.  But horns do face forward, and their frequencies are much different.  Plus it might have been a combination of being visible and sound.  I don't have any reason not to believe him.  I still say that, when it comes to deer, nothing is reliable or predictable.

I didn't hit the horn button until I knew I was safely past it.  I don't think that it's a good idea to scare a animal that's already spooked.  If it's moving in a direction, let it continue and don't distract it from doing that until you are clear of it.  Otherwise, it may panic more, and reverse direction again, possibly into your path.

I've heard others tell tales of deer running into the sides of their cars / trucks, while driving down the road.  I also saw the aftermath of a deer running into the side of a BMW motorcycle while the guy was riding down the road.  He kept the bike upright, but it tore the right saddle bag right off the bike.  It broke the mounts, so his buddy carried the bag back to town for him.  They were able to strap it on with nylon tie down straps, so he could make it home.

Long story short, once they are spooked, they don't always look for what's coming, they just run.  It's almost always safer to let them do that without distracting or scaring them more, and try not to get in their way.
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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2011, 02:04:21 PM »
Very interesting, I'd love to understand that design better!  On a similar note, having worked with 2 stroke motors for a while back in the day, similarly if you tried any of this funny business with one of their pipes the engine *might* run, but it would run very poorly.  They relied, as well, on the tuning harmonic nature of the pipe to extract gases as well as to stop the extraction at a precise interval.  The pressure wave in the expansion chamber would bounce back and actually slow or stop the escaping gas from entering the exhaust pipe.  I still love the 2 stroke motor designs.  But alas, apparently every time I start a 2 stroke motor a baby kitten dies somewhere, so they are all but extinct now.

Or as Jeremy Clarkson would say "club a baby harp seal"  ;D
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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2011, 11:17:43 PM »
This thread is worthless without pictures! Show us wot u dun :P

Good point. Next weekend I'll post some pics.


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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2011, 11:20:49 PM »
Sorry for the thread hijack Eric.

No worries. Its all part of the fun. Actually its interesting to see far the conversation is derailed off the original post.  8)

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2011, 02:13:11 AM »
In response to Fred's post , what the OP did , is this not effectively what all the aftermarket slip ons are doing. Having looked down some of them , they are an open tube with some baffle fibre material packed around it. This would then give the same effect as drilling out the baffle plates in the potato launcher. Bit more noise , less back pressure , maybe more top end but loss of some low down torque

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2011, 02:15:32 AM »
Sorry , should read  Phil's post

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2011, 06:41:28 AM »
OK so don't get off topic here...is there REALLY only one guy that has drilled out the baffle plates on his stock exhaust? I was thinking about doing the same thing.

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2011, 06:00:19 PM »
The ONLY reason I kept the OEM exhaust-bazooka after installing my Two Brothers is because it is QUIET !! Why would anyone want an ugly, boat-anchor of a muffler that is LOUD?  Just sayin'........
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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2011, 09:30:55 AM »
The ONLY reason I kept the OEM exhaust-bazooka after installing my Two Brothers is because it is QUIET !! Why would anyone want an ugly, boat-anchor of a muffler that is LOUD?  Just sayin'........

Perhaps not everyone has $400 to $600 to invest in new slip-on. Even the used ones go for $250 to $300. $30 modifying an existing component just makes economical sense in these financialliy challenging times.  ;) Just sayin'
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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2011, 03:38:36 PM »
OK so after looking at the areaP slip-on it says that a power commander is not required. So do you have to remap if you drill out your baffles?

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Re: Exhuast baffle removal
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2011, 05:27:35 PM »
OK so after looking at the areaP slip-on it says that a power commander is not required. So do you have to remap if you drill out your baffles?

I doubt it.  It is not like ruining the muffler to make it noisy actually changes much that would affect the engine (like add performance)  :)
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