Group 4 Oils

[Diablo6v]

Hi,
Is anyone running a group 4 oil. Like Amsoil or Royal Purple? If so what are your change intervals? Thanks

[VirginiaJim]

Oh my....    I've used Amsoil in the past and wasn't impressed with the shifting after a while.  I'm using Mobil1 4T now and like it.  I change mine either every 5k or once a year.

[Diablo6v]

Amsoil makes a Metric Motorcycle specific oil to prevent the shifting issue. Where you running that or the regular 10w-40?

[VirginiaJim]

You know, that was so far back I really don't remember, but if they had a mc specific oil in 2007 on, I would have used that.  I don't think I've used car oil in any of my bikes.

[maxtog]

Oil Thread!!!!

[tweeter55]

Oil Thread!!!!

Beat me to it.

[sailor_chic]

Stop all speculation on when you change your oil. Simply send a sample to Blackstone labs and they will test it and you then will know the exact condition of your oil. Then you can make up your maintenance schedule.

[Daytona_Mike]

Unfortunately here in North America you will not and cannot tell if you are really using a group 4 base (PAO) oil.
I used to be an Amsoil person  (pyramid sale company with no refineries- I bet you did not know that) but that all changed when they changed.
In parts of Europe and for sure in  Germany it is illegal to call group 2 oil 'synthetic' like they do here. So I buy Motul and my favorite is Motul 5100 (just for C10 and C14)  I use other oils for my KTM's and CanAms.
The smoothness of the shifting is vastly increased with this oil.  Try it. You will be a believer .
I too send all my oil to Blackstone.  They will tell you how well your choice of oil is doing because otherwise you are  just guessing with no data to support your claims.  It gets old hearing '30 years and I never had a problem-'  Smokers say the same thing.

[VirginiaJim]

All this logic (using Blackstone) concerning oils has no place in this thread. 

[sailor_chic]

All this logic (using Blackstone) concerning oils has no place in this thread. 

Gee, sorry for my input. I'll definitely refrain from posting here from now on. I was under the impression that forums were a place to offer advice to fellow motorcycle enthusiasts. Once again, my dad was right, I shouldn't think.

[tjhess74]

Easy Nicole! He was being sarcastic...hence his winky face!

BTW, I'm still super happy with your horn setup. I always enjoy any opportunity to hit that button! People do not expect that sound to come from something they didn't even notice.

[VirginiaJim]

Hey, he's right....just kidding.

[Diablo6v]

"Unfortunately here in North America you will not and cannot tell if you are really using a group 4 base (PAO) oil" If you go the either Royal Purple or the Amsoil sites. They say right there, that they are group 4 oils. I think you mixed that up with Synthetic which is a marketing term only.

[Daytona_Mike]

you are correct Diablo6v .   Funny thing about Amsoil is they have two types of motorcycle oil. 100% Synthetic and  just Synthetic.   I was not aware they (and Royal Purple)  stated the base oil type.  I wonder if Red Line does. I use their oil in my turbo Supra.  Pricey stuff.

update: I was trying to find that info on PAO base oil  for amsoil. It looks like in 2012 they removed that claim from their website. Maybe you were looking at old information?  There seems to be so much mis-information  out there it is hard to know what to believe anymore.
http://www.mytractorforum.com/197-dons-synthetic-lubes/230453-amsoil-still-pao-based.html

Hmm..  just like  Amsoil , Royal Purple has no refineries. They are 'mixers' so they buy oil, mix in some additives and resell it. I think I will stick to Motul for my Concours.
Motul used  have their own refinery but they have closed their refineries in France and now it is all made in Italy. Hmm.... olive oil?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motul_(company)

[Diablo6v]

I am not trying to argue. Just inform..

"There are many oils out there that call themselves synthetic, but not all are created equal, and that is important to know. You do get what you pay for. Group III synthetic oils only use about 12% synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdo-cracked petroleum base stocks. For major oil companies who have their money in crude oil refining, the word "synthetic" is merely a marketing term. It does not mean 100%, but just that a percentage of synthetic base stock goes into their product.
The oils that are commonly mentioned are Group II and Group III synthetics with the exception of Royal Purple, which is a Group V. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO) but also uses Group V Ester technology. It gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics. Mobil 1 is a Group III synthetic. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic."

I did my research before I bought Amsoil. Maybe I will try Royal Purple next? 

[VirginiaJim]

All interesting information.  With my bike and my riding habits, Mobil1 4T works fine...although somewhat pricey.

[Cuda]

Years ago I was picking up oil for my bike and Royal Purple was on sale , a fluke

I knew a well trained factory  Mechanic that loved the stuff 

So I cleaned off the shelf,

I was using Mobil 1 at the time

The shifting has been fantastic ever since , not that it was bad with the 1 , but definitely better .

I did put close to 10,000 on one oil change , have the container from Blackstone was going to send it in but at $30.00 for the test

that is almost another oil change



I know the Cat dealer will have your oil tested , never asked about the price from them.

[VirginiaJim]

Cuda, what type of Royal Purple are you using?

[gPink]

The purple kind?

[maxtog]

The purple kind?

That would be Barney, which would be dinosaur which would not be synthetic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_%26_Friends