ABS would have helped with the first one. Traction Control would have helped for the second one. Not sure if you still would have stayed up or not, but you would have had a better chance of staying up with them.
Thanks for that! I know I at least want ABS, but not sure about the traction control. I've done some reading on it, but still not totally clear where it is most beneficial.
If I had to choose, I'd choose ABS vs. TC. ABS will help stop you from hitting something hard. TC will most often stop you from a low-side crash. But both is better than either one. The prices of the Gen2 bikes has really come down. I know that there are lots of crazy asking prices out there but I just picked up a 6K mile 2012 for cheap.
Having owned both an 08 and a 12 now, it's amazing how similar they are. The 08 seems to be a bit more powerful, but the ABS on the 12 is amazing. I have a gravel driveway and I tried to lockup the brakes without any success. I also tried to spin the rear wheel in the gravel, no way!
The 08 seems to be a bit more powerful
I would say that correct technique would help more. You obviously stomped on the back brake, causing the fishtail, then you let off, which invites a high side. Yes, ABS would have helped.
Actually, in this case, the linked brakes would have helped just as much if not more. My assessment was the same as yours- he stopped on only the rear brake or mostly the rear brake (either being a bad move).
Not that it is popular to point out how linked brakes CAN prevent some bad stuff, but with some people/situations it can...
Thanks for that. Yes, I am still seeing insanely high asking prices considering some of the deals around. When folks are asking for 9k for a 2008 and you see 2012s going for $7800, something's off somewhere. It sounds like, since I will be a bike-only rider for at least 3 years, I need to do whatever I can to get a Gen2... just sounds like a wiser investment.
... I have a gravel driveway ... I also tried to spin the rear wheel in the gravel, no way!
TC works great when you make a wrong turn and end up miles into a logging road, too...