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Offline TonyR

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TPMS Sensor
« on: May 12, 2015, 12:21:25 PM »
So my rear TPS sensor stopped working a while ago, and since it was going to have to replace the tires I waited.
I had the tires and TPS sensor replaced by the dealer. I pickup the bike, and the rear TPS sensor is still not working.
I went back today to fix the issue and after a couple hours of waiting, they come back and tell me that they will also need to replace the front sensor as the new sensors are new design and need to reprogram them to the bike. I looked at the frequency of the old and new sensor (315 MHz), and it is the same.

Are they pulling my leg?

Thanks
Tony
« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 02:03:15 PM by TonyR »
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Re: TPS Sensor
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2015, 12:39:22 PM »
As I understand the system for the TPMS- The dealer should just have to program the new sensor to the ECU.  Should not need to replace the front too. 
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Re: TPS Sensor
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2015, 12:52:59 PM »
If it's under warranty, let them change both on their dime.

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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2015, 02:03:02 PM »
That's the kicker... it's not under warranty anymore :(
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Re: TPS Sensor
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2015, 02:05:50 PM »
Quote from: RBX QB on May 12, 2015, 12:52:59 PM
If it's under warranty, let them change both on their dime.

I did that. Had I not been under extended warranty, I'd have got my soldering gun hot
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2015, 02:49:55 PM »
Quote from: TonyR on May 12, 2015, 12:21:25 PM
So my rear TPS sensor stopped working a while ago, and since it was going to have to replace the tires I waited.
I had the tires and TPS sensor replaced by the dealer. I pickup the bike, and the rear TPS sensor is still not working.
I went back today to fix the issue and after a couple hours of waiting, they come back and tell me that they will also need to replace the front sensor as the new sensors are new design and need to reprogram them to the bike. I looked at the frequency of the old and new sensor (315 MHz), and it is the same.

Are they pulling my leg?

Thanks
Tony

Both old and new sensor styles have to be programed to the bike.  If they replaced the rear and it doesn't work, the chuckle heads didn't know what they were doing and did not program it to the bike.  I'm pretty sure that you can mix and match sensor styles.  I haven't heard anything about having to replace them in pairs.  As far as I know the logic inside the unit is the same as the old ones, the new ones are just made differently.

As far as pulling your leg, I don't think that they are that smart based on what you just told us......idiots.

« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 03:23:38 PM by VirginiaJim »
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015, 02:52:53 PM »
Quote from: TonyR on May 12, 2015, 02:03:02 PM
That's the kicker... it's not under warranty anymore :(

Damn... I'd probably take the opportunity to abandon the sensors, then. More dependent on knowing your bike and monitoring pressures, but one less cost to endure.

Below is a quote from BDF in a previous sensor thread... regarding eliminating the sensors outright...

Quote from: B.D.F. on August 20, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
No but if the entire TPS signal is lost, the display simply displays '---' where the pressure should be. The easiest way I know of to do that is to cut one leg of the battery power in the seniors. That renders the sensor totally inoperative and while it will no longer report tire pressure, the system will then not show any kind of error either.
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2015, 03:00:58 PM »
I've replaced both batteries in front and rear (old style) without any issues and they worked just fine.  I tied it in to changing the tires but there are procedures to do it on the wheel with clamps.  It's not that big a deal and I wouldn't be without them....on any vehicle I own...assuming they came with it.
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2015, 03:16:26 PM »
Quote from: VirginiaJim on May 12, 2015, 02:49:55 PM
Both old and new sensor styles have to be programed to the bike.  If they replaced the rear and it doesn't work, the chuckle heads didn't know what they were doing and did not program it to the bike.  I'm pretty sure that you can mix and match sensor styles.  I haven't heard anything about having to replace them in pairs.  As far as I know the logic inside the unit is the same as the old ones, the new ones are just made differently.

As far as pulling your leg, I don't think that they are that smart based on what you just told us......idiots.

Do you know what needs to be done to reprogram them? Something I could do?
They said they have to remove the wheel again to get it done.

Tony
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2015, 03:22:39 PM »
Not unless you have the diagnostic electronic thingy that does it...   In thinking about this some more...I may be confusing myself over the fob vs the sensor.  If the number is on the sensor then they can program it from that....I think.  That would be the only reason that they would have to remove the tire again.
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2015, 03:25:45 PM »
Quote from: TonyR on May 12, 2015, 03:16:26 PM
Do you know what needs to be done to reprogram them? Something I could do?

Sorry, but that takes special software that the dealer has.  They are programming the ECU on the bike, not the sensors (it is a lot like the KIPASS fob/dongle programming- it is the ECU, not the fob that needs to be updated)

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They said they have to remove the wheel again to get it done.

They will have to remove the wheel to install a new sensor (it can be done using Brian's method, without removal, but a dealer is not going to do that), but not needed to just program one that was installer earlier, unless they don't know the serial number....
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2015, 05:05:58 PM »
Can you get your old sensor back from the dealer and change the battery.
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2015, 06:20:33 PM »
the reason they have to remove the wheel is, the dorks never wrote down the number on the physical sensor before they installed it.... retards...
this is totally on them, if your front sensor was working, and likely still is... the new one can't be programmed without the number on it...

this is all on them, they Do NOT have to be replaced in pairs, the sensors both old and new have not changed at all, other than the new ones are a sealed and potted unit....

the dealership and tech are full of crap, yeah, they screwed up, and maybe they even damaged the new one when they mounted the tire.... my bet is they had no clue about recording the number before mouting the tire, and are pawning it off on you, hoping you buy a new (and uneeded at this time) front sensor... and they will still need to break down the rear to get the code number... (which you will be paying for from replacing the front)

bad dealer.... no doughnut.

oh, and as you PAID for the sensor, DEMAND, do not ask, DEMAND the oem sensor be handed back to you, when these are done under warrenty, Kaw demands the sensor that they pull out... when you pay, the old sensor is yours... get it back... and someone here, like myself, will buy it from you...
we can change the batteries, and have a bike programmed for it later...

get the old one back. you paid for it.
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2015, 08:41:28 PM »
Quote from: MAN OF BLUES on May 12, 2015, 06:20:33 PM
oh, and as you PAID for the sensor, DEMAND, do not ask, DEMAND the oem sensor be handed back to you, when these are done under warrenty, Kaw demands the sensor that they pull out... when you pay, the old sensor is yours... get it back... and someone here, like myself, will buy it from you...
we can change the batteries, and have a bike programmed for it later...

get the old one back. you paid for it.

+1... the old ones are actually MORE valuable now.  Since mine were replaced under warranty, they are now the sealed kind that can't be reused (or so we believe).
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2015, 04:57:59 AM »
Quote from: VirginiaJim on May 12, 2015, 02:49:55 PM
Both old and new sensor styles have to be programed to the bike.  If they replaced the rear and it doesn't work, the chuckle heads didn't know what they were doing and did not program it to the bike.  I'm pretty sure that you can mix and match sensor styles.  I haven't heard anything about having to replace them in pairs.  As far as I know the logic inside the unit is the same as the old ones, the new ones are just made differently.

As far as pulling your leg, I don't think that they are that smart based on what you just told us......idiots.

The bike gets the programming, not the sensors.
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2015, 05:05:53 AM »
That's what I said.. ;)
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Re: TPMS Sensor
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2015, 08:52:46 PM »
I have both sensors. Front still working and rear needs battery.
I'll put them out for sale at some point...

Tony
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