C10 Canyon Cage Build Thread!

[gregman_1]

Just saw this, I love love love the added coverage of the canyon cages versus the Murph's bars.  I also loved that you used a Connie that looks exactly like mine for the finished shots!

How sturdy are you expecting the saddle bag bars to be when the bike has some forward momentum?  The lack of bracing concerns me (same as the Murphs), but I understand that would block the passenger peg.  We are taking two Connies across the Translab next year and will need plenty of protection to keep from breaking antlers 200 miles from the nearest town.

[2fast]

Tip over videos coming soon??

[tweeter55]

+1   

[Jwh360]

Check out what the UPS dude dropped off at my place!!  Canyon Cages!!  Yeah, I'm special.  Not really...MCE used my bike to do the prototypes, so I got the first set of bars.  I've installed the front bars, and I'll do the rear bars next weekend.

The mounting brackets were very easy to install.  I had to do some minor trimming on the lower heat guard with my Dremel to clear the lower mount.  Everything lined up nicely, and the quality of all the parts and hardware is top shelf. 

[Jwh360]

Front Canyon Cages.

[nosaint7]

Just talked to the folks at MC Enterprises - they will be posting details for a group buy in the next few days. 

[Jwh360]

Rear bars now installed.  Very easy installation.  Had to remove the "tabs" that are on the bottom edge of the side covers, and make a notch on the RH cover to clear the upper mounts.  See the picture.  Bars are super solid and look good.  I'll post pics with the bags mounted later.

[Jwh360]

More pics.

[gregman_1]

Any word on the tipover tests?

[VirginiaJim]

Group buy here....!

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=16532.0

[Two Skies]

In relation to the recently posted drop video in the other thread, you can see that, if the bike continues to go over, the mirrors WILL be taken out (Connie mirrors, particularly the elbow joint inside the rubber sleeve, break easily in falls).  In at least one of your drops, you can see the bike fairing kissing the pavement, and note that the bike has no mirrors...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1_KKSb18A

I know this from personal experience, and several tipovers.  I had millerized pegs on the bike, and this is exactly what happened to me.  My left mirror was toast, and my nose fairing suffered damage.  One of said drops popped my front turn signal reflector mount (it is taped to the bke now) when the fairing was damaged, and the other side's turn signal lens was punctured in the fall.  Quite expensive overall, so I have a lot of gaff tape on the bike currently (gotta luv random drunk people knocking your bike over)...

Mirrors for this bike ARE fairly expensive, not to mention the nose fairing and turn signal lenses... which is why I now have 'customized' mirrors on my bike, which aren't nearly as big (in mirror surface/reflective area) as the regular Connie mirrors were.

I would recommend the following modification to your design (see pic below), to minimize the chance of this happening.  The red lines show the angles needed to protect the mirrors, assuming that the top of the front cages is close enough/above's the bike's center of gravity in a tipover.  It might not meet your aesthetic standards, but I think it looks quite stylish...

[RyanMCEnterprises]

I don't mind the aesthetics of the design you show there. It actually looks pretty cool. The thing is, we actually tried a design like that and it still didn't work as intended. You need to go wider on the bottom of the bar to hold the bike up further, not the top of the bar. As you have it, if the guard were laying on the ground the mirror would be as well. If you look at my slightly revised photo of the one you posted, the mirror will still hit when you take the tires contact point with the ground into consideration. To get the effect you're shooting for, you'd basically have to invert your design and have the wide part on the bottom which wouldn't look nearly as good as it does in your photo.

We tried quite a wide array of different designs and this was a particularly hard bike to design a guard for, for some reason. We did our best to design a good-looking product that would still protect the majority of the fairings under most circumstances. Of course, we could have altered the bar to protect a bit better but the aesthetics would be shot which seems to be an extremely important factor for a lot of people. The guard we have designed here performed very well during our "real-world" drop tests with someone on the bike. This is because the rider generally eases the bike down a bit, whether meaning to or not. It's very rare that the bike is going to tip over uninhibited from a vertical stance like shown in the video. That's the absolute worst case tip-over scenario. I chose to upload these videos because they showcased the worst-case scenario and I figured people would make incorrect, negative assumptions if we just showed the other drop tests.

[Two Skies]

What I see happening in the drop video is that in a slower fall, when the bottom of the front guard and the rear guard touch the pavement it arrests the fall.  Hence, I didn't see the need to push the lower contact point out further.

However, if the bike is going over at a higher speed, that lower contact point acts as a fulcrum, and the bike continues to roll over at speed allowing the fairing to kiss the pavement.  I've seen the bike do the same thing with side cases attached (the bike uses the cases as a fulcrum, and continues to go over).  The Millerized Pegs acted as a front fulcrum, which is about the same height as where your lower front bar bend is.

By moving that fulcrum point higher/closer to and maybe above the bike's center of gravity, it'll make it much harder for the bike to 'roll over' the top point of the bar, as it will need more fall velocity to do so.

Also, you are assuming that the owner of the bike will be on the bike when it goes over.  Strong wind gusts and inattentive (or malicious) pedestrians can also cause a bike to go over, so there will be no one on the bike to slow it's fall.  670+ lbs of somewhat top heavy mass isn't doing the bike any favors in this situation.

I've had drunk people knock my bike over at least once, when I haven't been around to watch over it.  Not to mention a couple of low speed falls due to adverse conditions, and my bike has the bruises to show for it.  THIS is why this matters to me.

[Mr Orange]

Earth to MC Enterprise! Any update on a possible shipping date? 

[turbojoe78]

Earth to MC Enterprise! Any update on a possible shipping date? 

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=16532.15

See reply #20 ... he says first batch starts shipping early June.

[RyanMCEnterprises]

Earth to MC Enterprise! Any update on a possible shipping date? 

We're shooting for the first or second week of June.

[Mr Orange]

The first week of June would be great!  That would give me a weekend to install them before heading out to the National on the following weekend. 

[Mr Orange]

 

Earth to Ryan???

Updates PLEASE!!!

[RyanMCEnterprises]

Earth to Ryan???

Updates PLEASE!!!

The guards should be off to our powder coaters any day now. Once they're there, we should get them back within 3-7 days depending on how busy they are. I'll let you guys know as soon as we get them back and begin shipping them out.

[Mr Orange]