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Offline stevewfl

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Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« on: September 30, 2013, 09:27:27 PM »
Wow at the torque curve increase....   its tempting me to send mine in

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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2013, 09:28:01 PM »
This forum shrinks pics.... clickie this--->    http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p236/smokinzx14/guhlflashc14.jpg
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 03:48:34 AM »
info on the bike?
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 04:45:44 AM »
Who is Lee?
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 05:04:46 AM »
Dyno chart says 2010. Are there still leftovers?
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 06:02:44 PM »
I am very happy with my reflash. Service at Guhl is amazing. He called me 2 minutes after receiving my ECU. Reflashed it while on the phone with me. A few minutes later the return shipping label was created.
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 07:10:53 PM »
Quote from: Rhino on October 01, 2013, 06:02:44 PM
I am very happy with my reflash. Service at Guhl is amazing. He called me 2 minutes after receiving my ECU. Reflashed it while on the phone with me. A few minutes later the return shipping label was created.

Yeah, it is yet another thing on my to-do list.
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 03:37:33 AM »
Quote from: maxtog on October 01, 2013, 07:10:53 PM
Yeah, it is yet another thing on my to-do list.

Same here.....
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 07:55:18 AM »
Has anyone seen a comparison between a reflash and the same bike with the flys removed?
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 09:46:55 AM »
Quote from: Rhino on October 01, 2013, 06:02:44 PM
I am very happy with my reflash. Service at Guhl is amazing. He called me 2 minutes after receiving my ECU. Reflashed it while on the phone with me. A few minutes later the return shipping label was created.

A few hundred for 2 minutes of work....sounds like quiet an operation.
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 10:19:39 AM »
Quote from: cablebandit on October 02, 2013, 09:46:55 AM
A few hundred for 2 minutes of work....sounds like quiet an operation.

It's software. Your paying for the development and expertise, not the time it takes to install the software. I bet his market is less than 100 re-flashes on the C14 and he is not becoming a millionaire on our bikes. I also bet if it weren't for the similarity of the ZX14 ECU a reflash would never have been developed for the C14. So I still think it was money well spent to get the performance of a fly-ectomy without compromising the traction control.
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 11:43:42 AM »
Would the reflash help with that "dead" feeling you get when you wind up fifth gear and switch to sixth? Feels like the bike even slows down a little.
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2013, 11:50:55 AM »
Quote from: wally_games on October 02, 2013, 11:43:42 AM
Would the reflash help with that "dead" feeling you get when you wind up fifth gear and switch to sixth? Feels like the bike even slows down a little.

I wouldn't think so since the increase in torque is at the low end. But "wind up fifth gear" would have to going quite a bit faster than the 155 mph speed limiter in the ECU on the gen 2 bikes. So  the reflash can remove that limiter and allow you to actually "wind up fifth gear" on gen 2 bikes.
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2013, 12:53:53 PM »
Who is Guhl? Where are they at? How do we get in touch with them?
Linky?
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2013, 12:56:53 PM »
Quote from: rocknrod on October 02, 2013, 12:53:53 PM
Who is Guhl? Where are they at? How do we get in touch with them?
Linky?

Pennsylvania http://guhlmotors.com/
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2013, 01:08:15 PM »
Did we ever find out if there really is a 'Lee'?
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2013, 01:49:04 PM »
Quote from: gPink on October 02, 2013, 01:08:15 PM
Did we ever find out if there really is a 'Lee'?

Not that I know of...
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2013, 04:26:44 PM »
Quote from: cablebandit on October 02, 2013, 09:46:55 AM
A few hundred for 2 minutes of work....sounds like quiet an operation.

It is several hundred- generally a "few" just means two.

But as Rhino said, he has to recoup the many hours of initial research.

That is like saying a DVD costs $0.25 to make the physical DVD, but then neglecting the 20 million dollars it might have taken to produce the movie.
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2013, 04:31:28 PM »
Quote from: gPink on October 02, 2013, 01:08:15 PM
Did we ever find out if there really is a 'Lee'?

Apologies, I wasn't watching this thread

Lee is a local drag racer, does research for Brock, owns a ZX14 forum, owns a drag ZX14, but most importantly is a very good friend.  He also owns a motorcycle business and when i'm to busy or lazy to fool with my 5 bikes his shop does the work. Recently hi front fork job on my ZX9,  etc

He mentioned he'll have some drag strip time slips posted on the reflashed stock C14 soon

edit:  he is smokinZX14 on his forum:   http://zx1441r.com
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Re: Guhl's flash on Lee's brand new C14
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2013, 04:33:21 PM »
Quote from: wally_games on October 02, 2013, 11:43:42 AM
Would the reflash help with that "dead" feeling you get when you wind up fifth gear and switch to sixth? Feels like the bike even slows down a little.

Like Rhino said- it won't affect that much (or probably wouldn't be noticed there as much).  Keep in mind 6th is overdrive, it is a very tall gear that is not designed to have any power, it is for level cruising at high speed (generally over 65 MPH).  To get the C14 into the power band in 6th puts you at a very illegal speed.

The Ghul reflash primarily addresses responsiveness.  The secondary butterflies are what causes the lack of responsiveness and the flash essentially "disables" those butterflies by opening them fully, almost immediately.  It DOES increase torque across the board (especially at lower RPM).
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