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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2013, 06:29:22 AM »
Yes, the biggest difference between the ZX 14 and C-14 engines is going to be the bevel drive for the driveshaft. Everything else should fit / work in a C-14 frame, more or less. The ECU will also probably be a problem as it may not dovetail into KiPass but that one can be worked around I think by just removing KiPass entirely from the system.

If the bevel gear housing simply bolts onto an area already machined into a ZX, it should be quite doable and may even be easy. It might require a different output shaft though which may require the crankcase halves to be split. More likely Kawasaki changed the area where the bevel gear housing mounts and that is going to be the biggest difficulty I think. At that point, you are either going to need  substantial machining and adaptation or will have to convert a C-14 over to a chain drive.

As someone already said, it is probably quite do- able to take all the engine internals that are different and swap the ZX parts into a C-14 engine. There will be a few things to deal with such as the variable valve timing hydraulic circuit but it should be relatively straightforward to simply block that off and you won't be using the sensors on that system anyway with the ZX 14 ECU.

I do have to say though that it probably is not worth it regarding cost and effort vs. final performance. You might be better off tweaking a C-14 engine, perhaps even with aftermarket ZX 14 parts such as pistons (assuming they fit the combustion chamber of a C-14 head) but still, lots of work and money for what I think are going to be marginal gains.

I think in the end it really would be easier to throw some custom body work onto a ZX, an automatic chain oiler for chain longevity, and add in an electric windshield than it would be to install a ZX 14 engine in a C-14 chassis.

Brian

I don't know the ZX14 motor but on the GPZ1000/GTR1000 the only difference was a bolt on bevel drive that connected to the shaft.
On the GPZ it was a straight drive with a sprocket for the chain and a chain/sprocket cover.
Could be the same for the ZX14/ZG14.

However, chances are the gearbox ratios will be different and there are bound to be other differences.
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2013, 08:40:10 AM »
Some good info guys, keep it coming, thanks!  :popcorn:

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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2013, 03:44:52 PM »
Why don't you go for a ride ...
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2013, 04:25:45 PM »
Why don't you go for a ride ...

That doesn't cost as much!!!
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2013, 06:43:28 PM »
Why don't you go for a ride ...
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2013, 09:00:44 PM »
That doesn't cost as much!!!

It could if you pave the roads in gold.

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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2013, 09:38:35 PM »
Why don't you go for a ride ...

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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2013, 09:39:31 PM »
It could if you pave the roads in gold.

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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2013, 09:41:32 PM »
I was thinking of touring on a ZX14. Think a C14 motor could swap into it?  ;D
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2013, 09:43:04 PM »
I was thinking of touring on a ZX14. Think a C14 motor could swap into it?  ;D

Yep, but not the protection of the KP...  ;) ;D

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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2013, 10:58:56 AM »
Just for the sake of spreading information: I posted a bit on this over on the COG forum ( I was trolling turbo threads. :) ). I did a lot of research on this when I had my motor apart, so I figured I would share.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,44350.30.html

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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2013, 12:54:43 PM »
Just for the sake of spreading information: I posted a bit on this over on the COG forum ( I was trolling turbo threads. :) ). I did a lot of research on this when I had my motor apart, so I figured I would share.

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,44350.30.html

Oh.  I didn't realize ZG was posting all the same topics on COG as on here.  And he also posted it there FIRST.  Hmm.
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2013, 01:42:16 PM »
Off with his head.
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2013, 05:03:58 PM »
Off with his head.

...not my intended result there.... but pretty funny response. :)

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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2013, 05:08:22 PM »
Off with his head.

Someone call for a sword?  ;)
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #55 on: July 05, 2013, 05:18:30 PM »
...not my intended result there.... but pretty funny response. :)

No worries, ZG knows I just joshin' him.
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2013, 05:23:10 PM »
No worries, ZG knows I just joshin' him.
yeah, but the guy with the sword's not.

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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #57 on: July 05, 2013, 07:09:03 PM »
Oh.  I didn't realize ZG was posting all the same topics on COG as on here.  And he also posted it there FIRST.  Hmm.

Yep, I go to bed with many forums, I'm a straight up post slut, create a forum and I'll post on it!  ;) ;D


No worries, ZG knows I just joshin' him.

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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2013, 07:53:05 PM »
 :popcorn:
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Re: Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?
« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2013, 08:27:06 PM »
ZG knows I'm just funnin...  Now where's my sharpening stone?  ;D
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