As this is what I know do the EBCs. I wanna say they have only been to the track twice, the second hardly counts as it was a wet track day, but they did work nicely in the wet. No fade or loss of feel, unlike the CL pads and a feel consistant feel, unlike the OEM pads. Not that yu should ever experience these on the street but I am using a WOT, redline 4th, with a rapid decel for a 90 degree right hander for comparison. The CLs were downright spooky, never again. I only have 14000 on the rotors to date but no signs of warpage and the pads are wearing better.