Gas Tire brakes

[PH14]

I will add that tire mileage can be decent, especially if you are going to go on the super slab. Keep the tires inflated to the recommended pressure and avoid using the engine as a brake. In other words, don't use downshifting as a brake, use the brakes. Of course hard acceleration causes tire wear too, but it's fun. 

I got 8200 miles out of my stock front and over 10,000 miles out of my stock rear tire. I did a lot of long trips on the interstate but I live in Western Pennsylvania so I did a lot of blasting through the twisties. Engine braking eats a tire. When you feel like doing it because you think it is the way it is supposed to be done, remember that the old GP racers had two strokes and had no engine braking. The engine is not a brake. We have brakes for that.

[Cuda]

WHAT   I down shift HARD I use the brakes very little
 You telling me using the brakes does not wear a tire 
Can enlighten us some more

[PH14]

WHAT   I down shift HARD I use the brakes very little
 You telling me using the brakes does not wear a tire 
Time for a few more drinks so you can enlighten us some more

Yes, engine braking wears them more. Ask a road racer if the engine is a brake. I'm not saying don't do it, do it if you want, it is fun, it just isn't what the engine is for. Down a long hill is a good use for engine braking, but engine braking during hard riding as a way to brake before a turn isn't the proper use of engine braking. Brakes are easier to modulate. The reality is that we use both, together. Hard engine braking is exerting more braking force to the rear than you probably do when using just your brakes. I doubt you use your rear brakes so hard, you use you front more. Hard engine braking is why slipper clutches were brought into play. There was a reason for that. Hard engine braking isn't a good thing.

[pistole]

- what is the difference to the tyre whether the braking is engine braking or normal braking ?

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[Conrad]

Can some tell me what the difference is between these two rear brake pads, other than the slight difference in price and that one is listed as fitting a 2008 C14 and the other is not?

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[maxtog]

- what is the difference to the tyre whether the braking is engine braking or normal braking ?

I am no expert in this topic...

I would guess that there isn't a big difference to the tires, what difference there is would be possibly the abruptness of the braking.  For sure it would be that engine braking would be 100% rear, where normal braking is almost all front.  This would tend to shift more wear to the rear tire- and the rear already takes a lot more wear than the front (as evidenced by so many people having to replace two rears to one front).

Now, engine braking does affect the engine, transmission, and drive.  I suspect the engine won't care much, but the transmission and drive probably will see significant additional wear.  And some systems aren't designed as well for this "reverse" torque going through them.  As for if it really matters on the Concours, who knows.  Of course, this engine braking will also reduce wear on the braking system- pads and rotors mostly

Like [I suspect] most experienced cyclists, I use a combination of engine braking and braking on most stops.  I believe it even recommends this in the Kawasaki owner's manual.

[PH14]

I am no expert in this topic...

I would guess that there isn't a big difference to the tires, what difference there is would be possibly the abruptness of the braking.  For sure it would be that engine braking would be 100% rear, where normal braking is almost all front.  This would tend to shift more wear to the rear tire- and the rear already takes a lot more wear than the front (as evidenced by so many people having to replace two rears to one front).

Now, engine braking does affect the engine, transmission, and drive.  I suspect the engine won't care much, but the transmission and drive probably will see significant additional wear.  And some systems aren't designed as well for this "reverse" torque going through them.  As for if it really matters on the Concours, who knows.  Of course, this engine braking will also reduce wear on the braking system- pads and rotors mostly

Like [I suspect] most experienced cyclists, I use a combination of engine braking and braking on most stops.  I believe it even recommends this in the Kawasaki owner's manual.

If the force is the same there would be no difference. MY comments relate to getting the most mileage out of the tire as the OP asked. If you engine brake, you are only using the rear for braking, something most people don't do. You are also applying more braking force via the engine that most people would apply using the rear brake. The force is greater most of the time.

All I know is that on the original Bridgestones, I got over 10,000 miles out of the rear tire.

[stevewfl]

Rotella T6 will allow for less fuel consumption and more brake/tire wear

[Cuda]

What he said

I don't really care about tire wear that much I guess, the way I'm going one set a year is fine with me, with out the cat's  and the dual mufflers it does make some noise down shifting and I like it, lets the cars know I'm there. You don't buy a 1400cc 700lb  with 150hp bike for great gas mpg  and low tire wear, at least I didn't 
 
FUN in a old mans body is getting harder to find.

[stevewfl]

^^^^that boat in your sig looks fun, what is it an Allison?

[PH14]

Rotella T6 will allow for less fuel consumption and more brake/tire wear

See? Now we're getting somewhere!

 

[PH14]

What he said

I don't really care about tire wear that much I guess, the way I'm going one set a year is fine with me, with out the cat's  and the dual mufflers it does make some noise down shifting and I like it, lets the cars know I'm there. You don't buy a 1400cc 700lb  with 150hp bike for great gas mpg  and low tire wear, at least I didn't 
 
FUN in a old mans body is getting harder to find.

These ideas weren't directed at you or your type of riding. They were a direct response to the OP's question. One year out of a set of tires is fine if you aren't riding enough to eat through more, nut if you are only getting 4000-6000 miles out of a set of tire, for many that will mean multiple sets of tires a year, sometimes meaning eating through a set of tires in one trip.

I live in an area with nice twisty roads. I love blasting through them, but I also use this bike for long trips on the interstate. That is why I replaced my RC51 with it. It is nice being able to eek out more miles from a tire when necessary.

BTW if you think the loud noises coming from your bike let cars know you are there, you need to study the Doppler effect and human's hearing. Both make render the noise your bike makes useless for letting the people in cars know you're there. If you are relying on that for your safety I would say more training is in order.

[texrider]

I use cheap oil, cheap tires, and regular fuel containing ethanol. I rely almost entirely on ABS to save me from my own self, and would have loud exhaust but am too cheap to buy it. I never use up good brakes, when engine braking will get me by, and have left my bike out in the rain.

Also, all my internet friends think I'm an arse. 

[gPink]

We don't want to **** off our imaginary friends.

[Shoe]

Gas, Tires, Brakes. That would look good on T-shirt. Sort of like Eat, Sleep, Ride, Repeat. How about one on the front and the other on the back? 

[Cuda]

These ideas weren't directed at you or your type of riding. They were a direct response to the OP's question. One year out of a set of tires is fine if you aren't riding enough to eat through more, nut if you are only getting 4000-6000 miles out of a set of tire, for many that will mean multiple sets of tires a year, sometimes meaning eating through a set of tires in one trip.

I live in an area with nice twisty roads. I love blasting through them, but I also use this bike for long trips on the interstate. That is why I replaced my RC51 with it. It is nice being able to eek out more miles from a tire when necessary.

BTW if you think the loud noises coming from your bike let cars know you are there, you need to study the Doppler effect and human's hearing. Both make render the noise your bike makes useless for letting the people in cars know you're there. If you are relying on that for your safety I would say more training is in order.




















I think you need to change your hair color your becoming  contaminated 
I don't need training you just know to much 
I got 7,600 miles from stock rear could have made another 1,000 but had two tires that wanted to get rolling  they were sick of sitting in the garage, My front stock tire was bald on the sides lots still in the center , lots of cupping  I guess I don't brake much .
South Florida roads are flat,  smooth , straight NO twisty roads   only twisty ice cream here 
Your NOT BLASTING if you got 10,000 miles on those stock tires
The two kids on sport bikes  I use to ride with move far far away, I've slowed way down ,   I'll get 20,000 out of these P3s now

[PH14]

I think you need to change your hair color your becoming  contaminated 
I don't need training you just know to much 
I got 7,600 miles from stock rear could have made another 1,000 but had two tires that wanted to get rolling  they were sick of sitting in the garage, My front stock tire was bald on the sides lots still in the center , lots of cupping  I guess I don't brake much .
South Florida roads are flat,  smooth , straight NO twisty roads   only twisty ice cream here 
Your NOT BLASTING if you got 10,000 miles on those stock tires
The two kids on sport bikes  I use to ride with move far far away, I've slowed way down ,   I'll get 20,000 out of these P3s now

I'm not how this degraded into a personal attack. To answer your implication, the 10,000 miles on the rear was due to a 5 month period of multiple trips on the interstate.

Have you really gotten 20,000 out of the PR3s? That's great. I have my first set of PR3s on now after using Angels. Good to know.

And just so you know, I have gray hair and I don't dye it.

[gPink]

Gas, Tires, Brakes. That would look good on T-shirt. Sort of like Eat, Sleep, Ride, Repeat. How about one on the front and the other on the back? 

    will work for
          gas
          tires
          brakes

[Cuda]

No no 14
I only have 3,000 on the P3s just saying I've slowed down since I don't ride with the 20 year old's
anymore , (thank God)
Late one night the three of us get it on from a light , I let off at 60 mph ( 45 zone) Stan who was a Cop and Is now a Cop again 6'3" 250 lb strong as a Ox takes it to 130MPH  passes two parked police cars sitting and talking , Cop  catches him at a light , said he went by so fast he could not see the color of the bike (blue) lets him GO    He had a Cop wallet you know the kind that has a place for the Star (badge)    chit chat

Lets get back to OIL 20-50 Royal Purple

[gPink]

20/50 lucas