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Offline Steve in Sunny Fla

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Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« on: January 07, 2013, 08:41:10 AM »
OK, I ran these numbers myself. I used the fBI homicide crime stats for 2011, and the us census numbers for the us for 2011.

rifle murders .10 per 100,000

knife murders .54 per 100,000

So you are 540% more likely to be stabbed to death rather than shot by an evil black "assault rifle", or any other rifle, for that matter.

Caveate - I have no horse in the race, I don't own anything that is considered an "assault rifle".

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http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

http://www.multpl.com/united-states-population/table

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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 08:54:28 AM »
Steve I don't own any "assault rifles" either but I do own a couple of sporting/tactical rifles; nor do I own any "automatic" firearms either....

And it would stand to "reason" that a knife would be used a weapon more than a gun by the criminal element as they can be bought anywhere by anyone sans an ID or background check....

But then again we all know that those that wish to disarm the honest law-abiding person does not have good solid "reasoning" skills or commonsense either.
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 08:59:55 AM »
Interesting stats, Steve.  I guess that means you shouldn't bring a rifle to a knife fight. 

I'm actually surprised that MORE people aren't killed with edged weapons.  Every time I go to the gun show, there are tables with rows of "Samurai" swords, large knives, bayonets, etc.  Every store that sells cooking / kitchen supplies has knife sets sitting out on the shelves.  I'm always waiting to see the reports of a mass-stabbing/slashing.  A whacko out for mayhem could easily kill or maim a dozen people in as many seconds and most of the crowd would never know what happened.  I guess it just hasn't been properly promoted by the media yet, but it WILL occur before too long.
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 09:26:12 AM »
Steve, are there stats on "Multiple Murders" by gun vs. knife.  I can't recall an instance of 26 people being killed by knife.
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 09:31:00 AM »
You will not sway an anti-gun person, you can show all the statistics till your blue in the face. They are afraid of scary black rifles and pistols, and they would rather wait until law enforcement shows up "after" the crime is committed. A ban of some sort is inevitable, lets just hope it is minimal and not intrusive to our rights and privacy "wishful thinking".  ::)
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 09:36:47 AM »
Steve, are there stats on "Multiple Murders" by gun vs. knife.  I can't recall an instance of 26 people being killed by knife.

I don't know what you're looking at; if you see a "26" that's the amount killed by knife, in that state, for all of 2011.


  And if your post is a backwards method of proving the lethality of firearms being greater than that of knives, remember this - dead is dead, no matter how you got that way, and this PROVES you are 540% more likely to be killed by a cutting instrument rather than a rifle. If you think mass knife attacks don't happen, look up "knife attack at school in china" .

 As such, why aren't we calling for a national ban on knives and cutting instruments? Steve

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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2013, 10:28:05 AM »
Steve, are there stats on "Multiple Murders" by gun vs. knife.  I can't recall an instance of 26 people being killed by knife.

If your loved one is killed by someone, will it matter to you whether that loved one was killed along with 25 other people or just they were killed?

That is one interesting thing about our society.  Many people are killed by drunk drivers "one at a time", so it isn't a very big deal, but when many die at the same time, we consider it a big deal.   :o
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2013, 10:32:25 AM »
Steve, are there stats on "Multiple Murders" by gun vs. knife.  I can't recall an instance of 26 people being killed by knife.

There was a minor incident back in September of 2011, you may have heard of it, or maybe not.  Very nearly 3,000 people died directly as a result of assaults with box cutters,knives and edged tools.  No firearms involved.

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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2013, 10:52:01 AM »
Your right , we need to get cars and trucks off the road  they are WAY to DANGEROUS .
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2013, 10:57:21 AM »
FWIW  part of my personal daily carry of a handgun  includes an automatic  knife (which is allowed in FL with CCW)
and if a knife would diffuse or end a threat to my person  I would use that first.  It is all a judgement call as you probably wouldnt know your response to a situation until and unless it happens.
The knife is also very handy for opening letters cutting boxes etc.
My faves are a Piranha   mini Bodyguard (3 inch serrated blade)  and a Microtec Daytona (out the front 3.25 in) dual action.
I assure you they are both very sharp and deadly at close range.
I can see how many more deaths by blade  is likely as every single home  has at least one knife..

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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2013, 11:34:22 AM »
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Well, well, what do we have here, Sen. Dianne Feinstein? An article by Breitbart.com’s AWR Hawkins says that, according to FBI murder statistics, more murders are committed with hammers than with rifles.

Kind of puts a nail in Feinstein’s argument that it’s important to get “dangerous weapons of war” off the streets, doesn’t it?

Feinstein, the driving force behind the original assault weapons ban that lasted from 1994 to 2004, said she would introduce legislation to the new Congress calling for a new, more aggressive weapons ban in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy.

The FBI statistics, from 2005 to 2011, show that more people were killed with “blunt instruments” like hammers and clubs than by rifles, which is what Feinstein wishes to ban again.

Hawkins wrote:

    For example, in 2011, there were 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs. While the FBI makes is clear that some of the ‘murder by rifle’ numbers could be adjusted up slightly, when you take into account murders with non-categorized types of guns, it does not change the fact that their annual reports consistently show more lives are taken each year with these blunt objects than are taken with Feinstein’s dreaded rifle.

Feinstein may want to take a look at those numbers. Better yet, have her take a look at the fact that in 2011, more than double the amount of people killed with rifles were killed by — wait for it — “personal weapons” like hands and feet.  She needs to realize we need our rifles for self-defense against people with hands and hammers.

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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2013, 11:54:28 AM »
As such, why aren't we calling for a national ban on knives and cutting instruments? Steve

I understand there is a bill up in Great Britain pertaining to outlawing cutting instruments.  I'll see if I can't find it.

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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 12:05:05 PM »
Every firearm I have could be considered an "assault rifle" if I were bent on assaulting someone.   I am far from the most accomplished rifle shooter out there.  The rifles are not assault rifles.  CRIMINALS use weapons to commit assaults.

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I am convinced that a 500 grain hunk of lead is enough to do the job in the hands of anyone who is competent.  Yet everyone is terrified about that little black aluminum paratrooper rifle that shoots a round that is simply a version of a small .22 caliber varmint cartridge.  It just shows how effective propoganda is when applied to people that have been denied an education with exposure to basic laws of physics.

If I had to defend myself or an innocent person, my #34 Louisville slugger, my hammer, my kitchen knife or a beer bottle would be an assault weapon.  I cannot hardly watch the news anymore due to the redefining of terms. 
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 01:28:31 PM »
I understand there is a bill up in Great Britain pertaining to outlawing cutting instruments.  I'll see if I can't find it.

Don't waste your time, it's already been hacked to death....

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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2013, 01:36:15 PM »
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 06:51:35 PM »
Interesting stats, Steve.  I guess that means you shouldn't bring a rifle to a knife fight. 

I'm actually surprised that MORE people aren't killed with edged weapons.  .  .

Agree.  The amount of time it takes an attacker to close the average 7 yard distance is far faster than the average CCW holder to pull his/her pistol. . .myself included.  In Minn. you can open carry, but I've never seen anyone do so.  The obvious reason is to not bring attention to yourself, but perhaps I/we should.

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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2013, 08:18:06 PM »
Steve, are there stats on "Multiple Murders" by gun vs. knife.  I can't recall an instance of 26 people being killed by knife.

In China where they ban guns the crazies still get the job done with a knife. Here is one where the guy killed 8 kids and injured 15 with a knife.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Here is another one where the guy slashed 22 kids.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14/15901085-villager-slashes-22-kids-with-knife-at-elementary-school-gates-in-china?lite
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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2013, 11:39:18 AM »
Truth.........all about agendas, all about agendas "and" people control.


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Re: Some real statistics on knife vs rifle homicide
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2013, 01:43:59 PM »
Hey - thanks for that pokey - he's cited the same stats I drew my info from.

And when you hear that the "evil assault guns" are responsible for LESS THAN 3.5% of all violent crime in the US, you begin to see that those who fear them, probably fear them because "they look scary" more than because they are really causing mass mayhem.

Again, I don't own anything that could be considered "assault" so this is just based on facts, not my own agenda - steve