You guys really like dealing with something like this that seems to be troublesome for some people, rather than a normal key?
The majority of us never touch KiPass because it is the almighty. Don't get caught up in the internet herd mentality
After reading this whole thread and few few other of these Keypass threads, it makes me wonder. If Kawasaki has a repair for this Keypass problem, in the way of a newer spring, then why not use it. If this failure only effects the early models and the newer bikes have been updated to a newer spring. Then why would they not replace the spring in the unit having trouble?
It would cost them pennies as already referred to previously. To not replace the spring in my opinion, would be unscrupulous behavior. If they know that a different spring seems to be helping the newer Concours. Then to omit it from the repair of a older version motorcycle is down right wrong. Knowing there is a different spring means that no matter how you slice it. Cleaning the switch and then reinstalling the older failure prone switch is in my opinion, borderline negligent. In my opinion in this case, cleaning the switch whether they found a burr or not, is not a repair.
This looks to me as if Kawasaki is trying to get over on it's customers by not truly repairing these motorcycles in good faith. The omitting of the new and improved spring would support this. So I do not agree with the lad who proclaimed this a proper repair without the known updated spring. Now I also read in some of these threads that this is not the only owner to report this same questionable proclaimed repair. I seem to have a feeling that what this fellow that told us Kawasaki informed him that no parts were replaced, he may be correct on what he heard. I am basing this mainly on what I have read one these subjects. But others have also said this. I find it hard to believe that everyone who was told no parts were replaced was partially deaf.
So it leads me to believe one of two things. The first being that Kawasaki is not properly repairing these switches by omitting the improved spring. Which I find despicable on Kawasaki's part if true. This in my opinion would be a dishonest and not honorable in any way to handle their responsibilities to the owner of the failed motorcycle.
Then there's my second thought. Maybe Kawasaki does replace the spring when cleaning this switch. But for some reason chose not to tell the the owner of the full and actual repair of their motorcycle. Maybe Kawasaki is afraid if having to do the proper thing and recall the motorcycles for a proper fix. Because lets be honest, it would cost Kawasaki corporation a good chunk of change. By not actually revealing the true repair of the bike, they could avoid a recall. But the problem with this scenario is that this is also dishonest by lying to the owner of the motorcycle and not revealing the true repairs that were made.
So after all this I think that I am reluctant to do business with Kawasaki. In my opinion it looks like they are using deceptive practices in the repairs of these motorcycles. I don't see myself doing business with a company like this no matter how good their product might be. I will think long and hard about buying another Concours after this enlightening reading. Thank you all for the information.
After reading this whole thread and few few other of these Keypass threads, it makes me wonder. If Kawasaki has a repair for this Keypass problem, in the way of a newer spring, then why not use it. If this failure only effects the early models and the newer bikes have been updated to a newer spring. Then why would they not replace the spring in the unit having trouble?
It would cost them pennies as already referred to previously. To not replace the spring in my opinion, would be unscrupulous behavior. If they know that a different spring seems to be helping the newer Concours. Then to omit it from the repair of a older version motorcycle is down right wrong. Knowing there is a different spring means that no matter how you slice it. Cleaning the switch and then reinstalling the older failure prone switch is in my opinion, borderline negligent. In my opinion in this case, cleaning the switch whether they found a burr or not, is not a repair.
This looks to me as if Kawasaki is trying to get over on it's customers by not truly repairing these motorcycles in good faith. The omitting of the new and improved spring would support this. So I do not agree with the lad who proclaimed this a proper repair without the known updated spring. Now I also read in some of these threads that this is not the only owner to report this same questionable proclaimed repair. I seem to have a feeling that what this fellow that told us Kawasaki informed him that no parts were replaced, he may be correct on what he heard. I am basing this mainly on what I have read one these subjects. But others have also said this. I find it hard to believe that everyone who was told no parts were replaced was partially deaf.
So it leads me to believe one of two things. The first being that Kawasaki is not properly repairing these switches by omitting the improved spring. Which I find despicable on Kawasaki's part if true. This in my opinion would be a dishonest and not honorable in any way to handle their responsibilities to the owner of the failed motorcycle.
Then there's my second thought. Maybe Kawasaki does replace the spring when cleaning this switch. But for some reason chose not to tell the the owner of the full and actual repair of their motorcycle. Maybe Kawasaki is afraid if having to do the proper thing and recall the motorcycles for a proper fix. Because lets be honest, it would cost Kawasaki corporation a good chunk of change. By not actually revealing the true repair of the bike, they could avoid a recall. But the problem with this scenario is that this is also dishonest by lying to the owner of the motorcycle and not revealing the true repairs that were made.
So after all this I think that I am reluctant to do business with Kawasaki. In my opinion it looks like they are using deceptive practices in the repairs of these motorcycles. I don't see myself doing business with a company like this no matter how good their product might be. I will think long and hard about buying another Concours after this enlightening reading. Thank you all for the information.
hmmm. this all sounds too familar. The only thing missing is all the exclamation marks.
Nice try Cap'n
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I know the manager where my bike is being serviced, and he told me no parts are/were being replaced... he has cleaned it, put it together, and it works as new. If he says no parts were replaced, I believe him, no parts were replaced. After my conversation this morning with him, stating he hadn't even started the paperwork on it, asking if my bike was still under warranty and such, lends me to believe that no parts were replaced since Mama Kawasaki wouldn't have sent anything out before all of that had been established.
I am picking her up in a few hours... I will ask about any "burs".
hmmm. this all sounds too familar. The only thing missing is all the exclamation marks.
Nice try Cap'n
But you are right. 99% of all large corporations are likely unscrupulous, its probably the only way to make a lot of profit these days.
Yumpin' Yiminie! I believe you are right- I did not even notice it but after you mentioned that, I believe you are correct. To be honest I did not read much of 'that guy's' posts because they did seem to have an agenda and a negative connotation but after going back and reviewing, the grammar and overall use of the language does look suspiciously familiar. There are other coincidences too but I will refrain from mentioning them so that we might better be able to spot this behavior in the future, under different names.
If this belief is correct then it is too bad because it really does show a lack of respect for the truth.
Samuel.... I mean Jonathan..... I mean Ebenezer...... er, call me Ishmael. Or Brian.
hmmm....are you guys trying to create an exclusive C14 community or what? Ran RiderRich off as well. You guys are becoming as bad as Cap'n Bob. He was ranting too much and you just poke fun outa the heck with anyone that ever mentions KiPass is an issue.For almost 4 years bbar's venom has poisoned this forum. Good riddance. If you didn't know who bbar was/is, you can't fairly judge those of us who put up with the ranting for so long. BDF tried to deal with it with humor and tried (sucessfully) to fulfill Voltaire's prayer (make my enemies ridiculous). Bob has changed names and styles several times on the forum, so it is no wonder that that BDF thinks that RiderRich is the same guy. I felt that something was odd about his posts, but it didn't click until Brian mentioned it. The intentional misspelling of "keypass", the vitriol against Kawasaki, the "I don't know anything about forums and computers", the question about the origin/meaning of "Cap'n", the type and tone of the questions and comments all scream "bbar/Bionic Bob/Cap'n Bob/Bob/etc".
For almost 4 years bbar's venom has poisoned this forum. Good riddance. If you didn't know who bbar was/is, you can't fairly judge those of us who put up with the ranting for so long. BDF tried to deal with it with humor and tried (sucessfully) to fulfill Voltaire's prayer (make my enemies ridiculous). Bob has changed names and styles several times on the forum, so it is no wonder that that BDF thinks that RiderRich is the same guy. I felt that something was odd about his posts, but it didn't click until Brian mentioned it. The intentional misspelling of "keypass", the vitriol against Kawasaki, the "I don't know anything about forums and computers", the question about the origin/meaning of "Cap'n", the type and tone of the questions and comments all scream "bbar/Bionic Bob/Cap'n Bob/Bob/etc".
RiderRich joined the forum today and has 20 posts. Not bad for a guy who knows nothing of forums & computers. QCTM If he is not a troll or a clone, he will be welcomed back. If he is either or both, the forum is better off without him. Newbs, even ones with dumb questions, have been treated pretty well here. But trolls tend to find it a bit rough at times.