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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: jemmons on June 04, 2012, 10:20:37 PM
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Any suggestions on how to increase confort for my backside? I can ride about 4 hours with a couple short breaks in between and then I am in major discomfort. My previous bike (Tiger 1050) I could ride 10 hours a day and not feel as if I had to get off. I did upgrade the foam to eliminate the down angle and I do use one of those Alaskan Sheepskins. Is there another aftermarket add on to help with the pain? I have been thinking about doing a 2k ride but not sure I would survive.
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I find Long distance riding shorts help a lot. The Airhawk and Airhawk II seat cusions also help a lot if they are inflated just right. I have actually used my AirHawk II underneath my Alaska Leather sheepskin. Of course you can always get one of the several aftermarket seat available in a wide range of price and comfort levels.
When you say "backside" I assume you mean "butt". Everybody is different and for me at 6 feet even my thighs are much more a comfort problem than my butt. I have helped that with peg lowerers in addition to the extra leg room provided by padding the seat. I have also added Ronnies highway pegs.
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I find that some jeans being a bit too snug in the seat/thigh area causes riding discomfort. The stock seat on my '09 has been one of the best over dozens of other bikes through the years. I always try different riding pants first, and it's a lot cheaper.
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My rides were no more than 200 miles round trip. But over the Memorial day weekend, wife and I did 1100 miles over two days. And I had a case of monkey butt. I am thinking it is the slick seat cover that is the issue in my case. Planning to have someone mod my seat to reduce the slide angle and cover it with a material that is more rough - like the gel seat cover.
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My rides were no more than 200 miles round trip. But over the Memorial day weekend, wife and I did 1100 miles over two days. And I had a case of monkey butt. I am thinking it is the slick seat cover that is the issue in my case. Planning to have someone mod my seat to reduce the slide angle and cover it with a material that is more rough - like the gel seat cover.
:o Ouch!
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/ginormous-monkey-butt-20161-1240326062-6.jpg)
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There been a name from Fla mentioned who does seats.
I used Mean City Cycles in N.C. for mine, put in memory foam and cut the height down an inch.
Much more comfortable than stock for a low dollar fix, 6 hours in the saddle, I good with it.
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I have a Russell seat with the fabric top. I've put insulating foam on the bottom of the seat and blocked the heat coming from within the bike to the rear with foam. I also use anti-perspirant on the areas that sweat. I don't get monkey butt any more. Still get a tad sore but not that. I've had it. Don't like it at all. Nearly had to ride prone on one long ride it was so bad.
I don't think that jeans are the best to be riding in as they chafe like crazy. Noticed a new Gold Bond product that is supposed to alleviate the friction....
http://www.goldbond.com/friction-defense.html (http://www.goldbond.com/friction-defense.html)
Gonna give that a try as well. It's advertised for bicycle riders but I think we have the same issues....at least in the seat and thigh areas.
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+1 on the airhawk recommendation. I have a corbin seat, but the addition of the airhawk R made it 1,000 mile day comfortable. I road the dragon twice (my sig picture) and the cherohala skyway, then road home to Pennsylvania in one day and my butt was fine.
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B A L D W I N
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B A L D W I N
I put close to 10,000 miles on my custom leather Baldwin but could never do more than about 150 miles at a stretch without getting into the pain zone. I also have put an Airhawk under a sheepskin on top of the seat for relief, and it does help at the cost of a sense of connection to the road. Good for the highway, but I need to be right on the saddle for back road work.
This year I had Spencer work on the stock seat and am getting a lot more non-stop endurance.
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Jemmons, I removed foam in a patten taken from my butt. I refer to it now as "magic fingers"....just a thought.
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I have a Russell seat with the fabric top. I've put insulating foam on the bottom of the seat and blocked the heat coming from within the bike to the rear with foam. I also use anti-perspirant on the areas that sweat. I don't get monkey butt any more. Still get a tad sore but not that. I've had it. Don't like it at all. Nearly had to ride prone on one long ride it was so bad.
I don't think that jeans are the best to be riding in as they chafe like crazy. Noticed a new Gold Bond product that is supposed to alleviate the friction....
http://www.goldbond.com/friction-defense.html (http://www.goldbond.com/friction-defense.html)
Gonna give that a try as well. It's advertised for bicycle riders but I think we have the same issues....at least in the seat and thigh areas.
Do you use Secret?
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B A L D W I N
Agree.....
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Do you use Secret?
I think I've used my wife's on occasion in a pinch. She doesn't care for that much. I don't why....
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You told her? Did you tell her what you did with her tooth brush too?
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You told her? Did you tell her what you did with her tooth brush too?
I have used that to clean mc and auto parts....again she wasn't happy. I don't know why.
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Baby powder or talc helps too. Use to get occasionally when I raced street bikes 100+ miles.
Monkey butt (aka. Jeep-ass) is no fun...
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Monkey butt (aka. Jeep-ass) is no fun...
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Hadn't heard that one before OL. Any pics? (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/confused1.gif)
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Really?
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Hadn't heard that one before OL. Any pics? (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/confused1.gif)
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I use a beaded seat cover (from WM) with great success. I use it for trips over 2 hours.
Beadrider makes much better looking ones than the WM model.
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I tried beaded but people kept on asking me for a ride to the airport.....
Seriously, I have tried beaded but they just didn't work for me. Seat comfort is so subjective and what works for someone may not work for someone else.
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I have used that to clean mc and auto parts....again she wasn't happy. I don't know why.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Now that's funny Jim!!
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Beads are for pornstars.
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:o
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Beads are for pornstars.
pics?
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pics?
:-X
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Cycling compression shorts. In particular Pearl Izumi Attack Shorts with Race 3-D Chamois. I've tried a lot of other cycling shorts and these have the right amount of gel and have decent contours that help the junk and the trunk... The compression also helps with the thighs. Here's a link to the exact shorts.
http://www.pearlizumi.com/publish/content/pi_2010/us/en/index/products/men/ride/apparel/1.-productCode-0273.html (http://www.pearlizumi.com/publish/content/pi_2010/us/en/index/products/men/ride/apparel/1.-productCode-0273.html)
I was contemplating another seat, but these deal with the last little problem I was having... I can use 'em on my flat bar road bike too.
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pics?
I would surely be banned, and some of the oldtimers would have a cardiac infarction.
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Possibly, but I would feel really bad, though.
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I thought you were going for a ride?
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Cycling compression shorts.
This. Or any type of moisture wicking underwear. For me, being sweaty and having any hair pulled is death. One of the best things i've found (another guy recommended it...) is any silicone based lubricant (yup - think sex) that is not water soluble. Increased my comfort during rides is amazing. Laugh, poke fun. Works.
Barry
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This. Or any type of moisture wicking underwear. For me, being sweaty and having any hair pulled is death. One of the best things i've found (another guy recommended it...) is any silicone based lubricant (yup - think sex) that is not water soluble. Increased my comfort during rides is amazing. Laugh, poke fun. Works.
Barry
:o :-X
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Jay, like the new avatar. It suits you.
I've often wondered on long hot days if it would be beneficial to shave. The only problem I can see with that is if you do, then you have to keep on doing it while on the long trip.
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Jay, like the new avatar. It suits you.
8) :chugbeer:
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Shaving would work, with the issues you mentioned. I agree with you.
For ride comfort lube any area that hits the seat. I am telling you, I thought my buddy was crazy. He's a big boy, and when I took his advice my comfortable time in saddle increased significantly.
You guys can either get all weird over it and make 12 yr. old jokes or be comfy. I choose comfy.
::)
Barry
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Shaving would work, with the issues you mentioned. I agree with you.
For ride comfort lube any area that hits the seat. I am telling you, I thought my buddy was crazy. He's a big boy, and when I took his advice my comfortable time in saddle increased significantly.
You guys can either get all weird over it and make 12 yr. old jokes or be comfy. I choose comfy.
::)
Barry
I will be weird and comfy.
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and I will make 12 yr old jokes. Looks like we got it covered
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and I will make 12 yr old jokes. Looks like we got it covered
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and I will make 12 yr old jokes. Looks like we got it covered
Then I guess I shouldn't mention Chamois Butt'r...
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:popcorn:
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Then I guess I shouldn't mention Chamois Butt'r...
Is that french for butt?
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Is that french for butt?
You could say that... But it does cut down on chaffing...
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Butt butter is not a good thing when you are riding. :yikes:
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Butt butter is not a good thing when you are riding. :yikes:
:hitfan:
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Cycling compression shorts. In particular Pearl Izumi Attack Shorts with Race 3-D Chamois. I've tried a lot of other cycling shorts and these have the right amount of gel and have decent contours that help the junk and the trunk... The compression also helps with the thighs. Here's a link to the exact shorts.
http://www.pearlizumi.com/publish/content/pi_2010/us/en/index/products/men/ride/apparel/1.-productCode-0273.html (http://www.pearlizumi.com/publish/content/pi_2010/us/en/index/products/men/ride/apparel/1.-productCode-0273.html)
I was contemplating another seat, but these deal with the last little problem I was having... I can use 'em on my flat bar road bike too.
My scars just reopened :o Used a pair of tose on a little daytrip to Barstow, CA. The seams from the pads turned into a diamond edge sawsall. If they aint seemless in the seat area I aint wearing em, no way, no how. Good old vaseline for me, the powders all tend to absorb moisture and then bunch up in a nice line, ready to saw through the toughest butt cheeks. Most any GI who has humped an 80 lb ruck for any real distance will tell ya that jar aint for lonesome activities. Seemless and vaseline will get ya there in more comfort then jeans and the finest saddle.
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Bummer about the scars reopening. :( The key components to comfortable compression cycling shorts are multiple panels (literally the more, the merrier) and how the seams are sewn together. Having ridden and raced bicycles over the years, I've had the opportunity to experience all different types. The Pearl Izumis are expensive, but they are designed for professional cyclists and it shows. Eight to ten panel shorts will provide the most comfort and believe it or not, the more panels the shorts have the fewer hot spots will develop. If you don't like the powders then seriously consider trying the Chamois Butt'r, it works better than the Vaseline IMHO.
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Vaseline? Butts?
I'm outta here!
:o
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You think this is bad you should check the moobies thread.
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Vaseline? Butts?
I'm outta here!
:o
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Vaseline? Butts?
I'm outta here!
:o
In a past life we used to slather the stuff on our feet. So why not protect the package? At least I'm not having to shave my legs anymore. Payback was when I used my Ex's razor... :rotflmao:
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Seemless and vaseline will get ya there in more comfort then jeans and the finest saddle.
I'm having some difficulty with the concept here and need some details, I'm afraid. Are you saying that we should slather our entire junk and trunk with vaseline? And then put on those seamless bicyclists shorts? That seems so....I dunno....slimey. I just want to make sure I am following this correctly, because it seems like a process that would be really hard to undo in the middle of a long day-ride.
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Kinda, just leave out the BC shorts ;D The vaseline goes mostly in the creases, avoiding the stinky one ;)
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Seems like it would be worth a try. What the hell, at least if I go down, I'll be pre-ointmented for road rash.
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Wow.......just wow.
You guys gotta be pulling my crank.
::)
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My early try at homemade comfort shorts as follows.....buy a pair of boxer-briefs.....Have wife mark the rear boney parts.....sew in shoe insoles.....they did not make a 2nd trip......sorry, no pics........blanton
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Wow.......just wow.
You guys gotta be pulling my crank.
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Give it a shot, after disbelieving Rangers for a few years I found myself deep in the North Carolina woods, sand felt like it was knee deep, ruck felt like a ton and all I could think of was just how raw the netherlands were. Grabbed some vaseline and slathered it on. I was in heaven, then I realized how deep the sand was. I was always worried it would hold the sand in bad places, well, that sand was already there. I really shoulda listened so much sooner. Buy a branded, way over priced product with a monkey on it or get a small jar, cheapest comfort item out there. Layered like this, vaseline, seemless boxer briefs (non cotton), and riding pants. Cotton in the Summer really must be avoided, once wet it will create its own seem.
Try it, form yer own opinion, post up results or just enjoy and be quiet ;D
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Body Glyde Original Anti-Chafe with allantoin is what I use both for riding and running. It goes on like stick deodorant and is not greasy. Locally I can only find it in the athetics section of Academy Sports.
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Kinda, just leave out the BC shorts ;D The vaseline goes mostly in the creases, avoiding the stinky one ;)
They have a cure for that now Chet.
(http://kinlane-productions.s3.amazonaws.com/api-evangelist/soap.gif)
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this thread is just awesome... ;D
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They have a cure for that now Chet.
(http://kinlane-productions.s3.amazonaws.com/api-evangelist/soap.gif)
Well, if you realllllllly feel the need to lube up THAT area go right ahead 8)
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I do not pull cranks!!!!
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Well, if you realllllllly feel the need to lube up THAT area go right ahead 8)
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Well, if you realllllllly feel the need to lube up THAT area go right ahead 8)
It wasn't for lubricity Chet, it had more to do with that personal stinkiness problems of yours. :o :rotflmao:
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It wasn't for lubricity Chet, it had more to do with that personal stinkiness problems of yours. :o :rotflmao:
Let me guess, your $h!t don't stink? ;) ;D ;D
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Let me guess, your $h!t don't stink? ;) ;D ;D
Of course not, it smells like roses! 8)
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Of course not, it smells like roses! 8)
Hopefully them roses don't end up at the dinner table :o
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Hopefully them roses don't end up at the dinner table :o
+1
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To get this somewhat back on track....I've been thinking (probably not good for everyone concerned) about jeans and how awful they are once they get sweat soaked after a long ride. They become very painful to ride in.
Does anyone have any suggestions on something else to wear that don't get as painful?
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To get this somewhat back on track....I've been thinking (probably not good for everyone concerned) about jeans and how awful they are once they get sweat soaked after a long ride. They become very painful to ride in.
Does anyone have any suggestions on something else to wear that don't get as painful?
I wear riding pants whenever I'll be on the road for at least a tankful and whenever it's warm enough tp make me sweat I wear mesh riding pants.
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I use those as well but it's the jeans I'm concerned about. Is there a different pants material that does better in moisture control than blue cotton?
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I use those as well but it's the jeans I'm concerned about. Is there a different pants material that does better in moisture control than blue cotton?
Same answer... Cycling compression shorts. Or you can check out cycling base layer stuff... In both cases they are designed too wick moisture...
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I use those as well but it's the jeans I'm concerned about. Is there a different pants material that does better in moisture control than blue cotton?
I'd think that another option is a seatcover that allows for ventilation for our twig n two berries. A beaded seat, Airhawk R or even a sheepskin purportedly allows for some air movement that could help with extra humidity.
Here's what's eating at me... I've never had a comfort issue riding distance in jeans (500+ mile days (yes, I know jeans aren't the best protection)). I'm prepping for a 2000 mile trip in August (roughly 300 mile days so I can stop at whatever seems interesting), so I bought an Airhawk, after multiple endorsements on this site and others. In the 60 miles or so I've been riding with it and figuring out the best air pressure, my jeans now bind like nobody's business. I also have a sheepskin which was no problem last year, and I'm gonna try riding shorts and/or good textile pants... but the (apparent) backwards progress with the Airhawk is unexpected. I'm gonna deflate the Airhawk more, and add the sheepskin, and eventually better clothing options... and hope some combination is the magic bullet for me.
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Same answer... Cycling compression shorts. Or you can check out cycling base layer stuff... In both cases they are designed too wick moisture...
Will they stop the jeans from binding up?
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I have read about gusseted crotch jeans but I don't remember where. It'll come to me.
Maybe it is this: http://www.gussetclothing.com/ (http://www.gussetclothing.com/)
Or this: http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mn-flex-ballroom-jeans-20207.aspx?src=T12WSHOP1 (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mn-flex-ballroom-jeans-20207.aspx?src=T12WSHOP1)
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I have read about gusseted crotch jeans but I don't remember where. It'll come to me.
Maybe it is this: http://www.gussetclothing.com/ (http://www.gussetclothing.com/)
Or this: http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mn-flex-ballroom-jeans-20207.aspx?src=T12WSHOP1 (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mn-flex-ballroom-jeans-20207.aspx?src=T12WSHOP1)
Maybe here? http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/mens-pants/mens-denim-jeans/mens-denim-ballroom-jeans.aspx (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/mens-pants/mens-denim-jeans/mens-denim-ballroom-jeans.aspx)
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Will they stop the jeans from binding up?
It reduces it for me... The material is slick enough keep it from happening.
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To get this somewhat back on track....I've been thinking (probably not good for everyone concerned) about jeans and how awful they are once they get sweat soaked after a long ride. They become very painful to ride in.
Does anyone have any suggestions on something else to wear that don't get as painful?
I see a pair of assless chaps in your future Sparky... ;D ;D ;D
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Maybe here? http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/mens-pants/mens-denim-jeans/mens-denim-ballroom-jeans.aspx (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/mens-pants/mens-denim-jeans/mens-denim-ballroom-jeans.aspx)
I actually found the Duluth Trading Firehose work pants to be a bit more comfortable for riding. They have many different styles including the same style as the jeans in the link above.
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I see a pair of assless chaps in your future Sparky... ;D ;D ;D
If I get them, you won't be seeing them.... >:( ;)
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I wonder why no one has ever come up with a ventilated MC seat like you see in some cars? It could be a powered vent or maybe some sort of ram air system that can be turned on and off.
Here's an add on seat cover for a car to illustrate what I'm talking about.
http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-SummerSeat-Self-Cooling-Cushion-Beige/dp/B000Q6TAKY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340190500&sr=8-1&keywords=ventilated+car+seat (http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-SummerSeat-Self-Cooling-Cushion-Beige/dp/B000Q6TAKY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340190500&sr=8-1&keywords=ventilated+car+seat)
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If I get them, you won't be seeing them.... >:( ;)
:( :'( ;D
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I have read about gusseted crotch jeans but I don't remember where. It'll come to me.
Maybe it is this: http://www.gussetclothing.com/ (http://www.gussetclothing.com/)
Or this: http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mn-flex-ballroom-jeans-20207.aspx?src=T12WSHOP1 (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mn-flex-ballroom-jeans-20207.aspx?src=T12WSHOP1)
I'm trying out the ballroom jeans from Duluth Trading. In reading on the 'net, too much spandex will cause a pair of pants to get 'soggy'. Not the result I'm looking for. However, 1% may work out. I'll let you know.
I've also ordered some self sticking heat shielding to add to the bottom of the seat and tank. Should have that here by tomorrow.
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I've got some heat shield material also. Been waiting to gather enough trinkets to justify removing the tank and plastic. I think I'll flush the coolant system while I'm in there and add some Water Wetter. Since It's going to be 100*+ for the next week or so it seems like a good time.
Let us know how the jeans work out.
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How about this?
(http://www.dz-nuts.com/images/product_high_viscosity_chamois_cream.png)
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High viscosity,huh? Did you just turn this into an oil thread? ;)
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High viscosity,huh? Did you just turn this into an oil thread? ;)
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Just wow (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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I see a pair of assless chaps in your future Sparky... ;D ;D ;D
I have some, and I wear them for winter riding. But that is over jeans, of course.
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I have some, and I wear them for winter riding. But that is over jeans, of course.
:o Spock in chaps eh? ???
I sure hope that image leaves my head fast Max... ;)
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:o Spock in chaps eh? ???
I sure that image leaves my head fast Max... ;)
:o
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That's just rude.
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:rotflmao:
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Oh God. I really didn't need that this morning. I doubt I can ever purge my eyes of that damage.
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Oh God. I really didn't need that this morning. I doubt I can ever purge my eyes of that damage.
My work here is done for the day.
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Excellent job!
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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Illogical
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WOW!..........
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Got my heat shielding affixed to the underside of the seat. Still waiting on the pants. It will be interesting to see if it works. I'm thinking that if I can reduce heat coming into the seat it will help with long term comfort during the summer. At any rate, I don't see where it can hurt. Full power to the deflector shield. I only wish I had phasers and photon torpedoes....
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Got my heat shielding affixed to the underside of the seat. Still waiting on the pants. It will be interesting to see if it works. I'm thinking that if I can reduce heat coming into the seat it will help with long term comfort during the summer. At any rate, I don't see where it can hurt. Full power to the deflector shield. I only wish I had phasers and photon torpedoes....
I think you are ready for a scooter. ;)
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I like it!
I think you are ready for a scooter. ;)
I got your scooter right here! I don't think so. :rotflmao:
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LOL! Looks like something a geriatric robo-cop would use
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The pants have arrived and I must say they are quite comfortable, at least walking around with them on. Haven't got to ride the bike with them. I did go for a short ride into Fredericksburg this morning and back. It was quite warm and I had a good chance to try out the shielding on the seat. It appears to feel cooler, but then again it wasn't a longish ride but it was warm outside. I guess the jury is still out for now.
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...and the bars?
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No, I didn't go to any bars.
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No, I didn't go to any bars.
:banghead: h a n d l e b a r s !
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Oh....nevermind.
Actually they felt great. I'll be updating my thread on the STs today on what I ran into and my thoughts on them... ;D
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No, I didn't go to any bars.
Couldn't find any open at 5 in the am?
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:rotflmao: No.
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Jemmons, I removed foam in a patten taken from my butt. I refer to it now as "magic fingers"....just a thought.
INteresting. In the picture I am wondering what the marked W at the bottom of the picture has to do with things and the design? Is it significant in the modification?
(http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9114.0;attach=10726;image)
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reading this thread has been a rare treat. Having raced triathlons and bikes for years and using Chamois butters and cremes and shaving as part of the self preservation from road rash in the inevitable crashes that come with racing on 1 inch 100psi tires and the contact patch with the pavement while cornering at 30 mph I found humor thinking of men who had never been exposed to the world of chamois, butters and such. Was laughing uncontrollably till SPock put me over the edge and I am laying in bed crying while my girlfriend is trying to sleep after a couple hundred miles in 105 degree heat today. All I can say is well done gentlemen.
BTW I wear dry wick compression shorts, Under Armour Heat Gear shorts and Olympia Recon 3 mesh pants. Not much problem with those even on these ultra hot days this summer.
Real Chamois used in Pearl Izumi comes from real Chamois (because despite the tears of laughter that's waht the other half wanted to take away from this)
(http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/Users/Brunt/chamois1.gif)
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I have a friend with the Triumph Sprint who had these people customize his seat and they did a great job. I understand they will do exotic seat covers, as well. When it gets cold I am going to take my seat to them and have them lower it and change the foam density. Luckily they are only about 10 miles from my house.
http://www.sweetwaterseats.com/contact.html (http://www.sweetwaterseats.com/contact.html)