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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: papaboomboom on May 20, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
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Did fly removal, PCV install with fuel moto map today. Bike starts and runs fine but stalled a few times the first time out especially when you whack the throttle and then whack it shut. Its like the PCV just cuts out for a second. Starts right up though. Could this be a fuel map issue or is the ecu learning??
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Did you calibrate the throttle position sensor in the PC software?
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nope, but TPS was at zero and watched the revs (on computer) go up and down. This seemed like a short circuit in the PCV where it cut out for a second.
Weird but when hot, I drove it back to my garage at modest speed with no problem. Double checked connectors and battery connections and everything is tight.
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Do know what your warm idle was before the PC and what it is now? You might need to turn it up to 1100-1200 rpm.
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Do know what your warm idle was before the PC and what it is now? You might need to turn it up to 1100-1200 rpm.
Bingo! That is exactly what I had to do. Fixed my issue immediately.
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not an idle problem. I was throttling on in a turn and it was like someone shut the bike off. I checked idle on dyno software and it is spot on at approx. 1200 rpm.
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I suspect an intermittet connector. Unfortunately, this will take some riding time to diagnose. I am having a custom map done in the next few weeks.
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What did you do for your ground location?
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ground connected to radiator reservoir top bolt which is in the engine block.
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Have you disconnected the PC?
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nope, but TPS was at zero and watched the revs (on computer) go up and down. This seemed like a short circuit in the PCV where it cut out for a second.
Weird but when hot, I drove it back to my garage at modest speed with no problem. Double checked connectors and battery connections and everything is tight.
If the TPS display on the PC software stays at zero when you twist the throttle, then you definitely need to calibrate the TPS. Also, make sure your PC is using the lastest firmware.
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TPS monitor on software is at 0 at throttle rest. throttle twist shows nice increase in revs...working just as it should. I will ride this week and see about intermittency. It could be a defective unit but only time will tell.
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From PCV install guide
TPS CALIBRATION
It is important that the PCV software TPS read 0% when the
bike is fully warmed up and at idle. If it needs to be reset
make sure the bike is fully warmed up before resetting. With
the engine on, click on Reset, open throttle to the stop and
close, then click OK. If your bike has fly-by-wire throttle only
reset the throttle position on a dynamometer.
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Do yourself a favor and connect a jumper wire from the PCV ground wire directly to the battery - terminal. I grounded mine in the same spot you spoke of and had similar problems. The bike finally just died entirely, even though the connector was secure. Our framework on that side of the bike is a pretty terrible ground.
If that doesn't work, call Dynoject: they have fantastic tech support. The first thing they will tel you is to try a better ground, though. :)
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Well, I'm a biker chic with big boobs but I pride myself on being well-educated (phd) and reasonably smart. I mistakenly followed the instructions from DynoJet to use the radiator reservoir top bolt as my ground. A simple solution: I removed the battery cover door. In front of the battery I could see through the engine compartment. I fed a line from the battery side, past the throttle bodies and out the other side. I crimped a loop connector and fastened it to the battery ground, cut the ground wire on the PCV and and soldered/waterproof shrink-wrapped the new wire to the existing PCV ground.
About an hour in time, but install was easy. Needed to remove fairing stuff (top, center, glove box, windscreen (to remove single push pin).
Problem solved...............turned on accelerator pump and will see how that works.
Initial impression is that 2nd gear (around town) has significantly more grunt.
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Well, I'm a biker chic with big boobs but I pride myself on being well-educated (phd) and reasonably smart. I mistakenly followed the instructions from DynoJet to use the radiator reservoir top bolt as my ground. A simple solution: I removed the battery cover door. In front of the battery I could see through the engine compartment. I fed a line from the battery side, past the throttle bodies and out the other side. I crimped a loop connector and fastened it to the battery ground, cut the ground wire on the PCV and and soldered/waterproof shrink-wrapped the new wire to the existing PCV ground.
About an hour in time, but install was easy. Needed to remove fairing stuff (top, center, glove box, windscreen (to remove single push pin).
Problem solved...............turned on accelerator pump and will see how that works.
Initial impression is that 2nd gear (around town) has significantly more grunt.
First of all, congrats on fixing the problem.
But now that is out of the way, lets get to the good stuff (and you started it!). You say you are a female with big boobs. Whether that (and the boobs) are real or not, thanks for putting that image in my mind. At my age, that goes a long way!. But if you are going to brag about being smart and having a PHD, please check the spelling in your signature line where you state the "they're" sensational ;D
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Well, I'm a biker chic with big boobs
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Gotta love ground faults. :)
...I think the instructions for the install from Dynojet were written once and never looked at again. They tech guys I've spoken to there immediately knew what the problem was about on our bikes, and confided that the instructions listed a pretty ****-poor spot for the ground. Again, if you give them a call they jump through hoops to help you on the spot. :)
...........and education is great, but experience is the real teacher when it comes to working with your hands. ;D
Cheers
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mea culpa re: "their" In philosophy (of mind) we didn't practice spelling (or obviously proofreading).
I am not one to "work with my hands" unless I know what I am doing. Some folks feel comfortable tearing things apart and learning as they go. I prefer to read assiduously and ask others so that I have a genuine knowledge base at hand. Guess it's my polemic training.
At any rate, the motocicletta mods seem to work well.
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etc..............I ordered a specific #2 Jewish (JIS) (Jewish Industrial Specification?????) philips tip set for the butterfly removal. Totally weird blow-torching the tip, but it worked like a charm. Screws came out lickity split without any hassle. Stupid me forgot how hot the screws got and burned myself taking the first screw off the magnet I used to retrieve them.
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Well, I'm a biker chic with big boobs but I pride myself on being well-educated (phd) and reasonably smart.
I remember the picture and a thread with you discussing your "assets" from the old board. What was your user name before .... it wasnt papaboomboom
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Gently warning....don't let this thread go awry, please.
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etc..............I ordered a specific #2 Jewish (JIS) (Jewish Industrial Specification?????) philips tip set for the butterfly removal.
Just so that you know ..... JIS = Japanese Industrial Standards
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/jis-standards-d_756.html (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/jis-standards-d_756.html)
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The Pope:
I am sure the forum members appreciate the correction. I will admit my attempt at humor is droll.
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Gently warning....don't let this thread go awry, please.
That never happens on this forum Sparky... :-X
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I know this. Just wanted to make sure we're all on the same page...'sound of sharpening the sword'..... :)
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The Pope:
I am sure the forum members appreciate the correction. I will admit my attempt at humor is droll.
Any humor is fine....droll or otherwise. Might help using the winking smiley, though.
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Any humor is fine....droll or otherwise. Might help using the winking smiley, though.
I like the humor.
As to the "gentle warning"... duly noted from one of the better moderators I've been around (and I've been around a lot).
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I like the humor.
As to the "gentle warning"... duly noted from one of the better moderators I've been around (and I've been around a lot).
I'll drink to that.........I bet Jim will too. ;)
You do a fine job Jim and I for one appreciate the effort and time that is put into this forum. Now back to your normally scheduled thread that was about papaboomboom's tatas, Jewish screwdrivers, and PCV ground locations. ;D
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I'll drink to that.........I bet Jim will too. ;)
You do a fine job Jim and I for one appreciate the effort and time that is put into this forum. Now back to your normally scheduled thread that was about papaboomboom's tatas, Jewish screwdrivers, and PCV ground locations. ;D
Ahhh yes, and Margaritas are my drink of choice! :chugbeer:
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First decent ride since mods...............significantly more grunt with WOT in 2nd and 3rd. Bike is more linear in its response through the gears now. Map seems to be ok but am going to get the bike dyno'd soon. No cutouts or stalling. Not sure about mileage but I don't really care about it since I seldom take rides longer than 150 miles without stopping/gassing. I'll post dyno chart when the custom map is completed. Many thanks to all for tips/techniques on the install/mod.
BTW, while I am reluctant to take off my header pipe and give it to someone to drill a bung hole, I'd like to know how those who use the autotune like the performance.
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I like having the extra insurance that the Auto Tune provides. I don't have any dyno tuners (since I don't ride an HD) within an hour of me so the ability to change tunes easily to provide max mpg or max power makes it an invaluable tool for me.
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I don't get what having a Harley or needing to change a tune for MPG and power has to do with anything.
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I don't get what having a Harley or needing to change a tune for MPG and power has to do with anything.
I don't have an HD and was told that they wouldn't touch my bike so I bought an autotune to have a custom map that I could set up for what I want with out fear of running lean.
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Dyno run on HD is always the same old story... "You're still right at 63 hp." 8)
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I am leaving this forum. I noticed that someone changed the title of my thread. Not good.
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I am leaving this forum. I noticed that someone changed the title of my thread. Not good.
While I don't agree with every decision and/or action by the mods, that one was both good and logical. A thread title of "help" is worthless. Bye.
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i don't get hardly-ableson at all.
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I am leaving this forum. I noticed that someone changed the title of my thread. Not good.
Someone? My name is all over the edit. It took you this long to notice? I do modify subject lines on occasion to help members who scan threads to decide whether or not they care to read them. I also modify posts (heavens to Betsy!) if I deem it necessary. It doesn't happen a lot but it does happen. I would think that any forum would have mods/admins that can change things at will.
Good luck!
Oh, and your signature line isn't grammatically correct but I let that one slide....
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....Oh, and your signature line isn't grammatically correct but I let that one slide....
She (??) changed it because I made light of her (??) first shot at it. The current grammar is a bit of humor aimed at me (??). I actually thought it was pretty funny and showed her (??) sense of humor.
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Jim (the moderator) just changed the title to make it reflect what the thread is about. He did not change or limit the content or flow of the thread in any way. This is an example why moderated forums can be superior to unmoderated forums in my opinion. The moderators here do not interfere with forum content unless / until it is needed and are very good at choosing what and where to step in, again in my opinion.
Brian
I am leaving this forum. I noticed that someone changed the title of my thread. Not good.
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Well, I'm a biker chic with big boobs
I remember you from the other forum. I'm calling bulls**t on that.
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She (??) changed it because I made light of her (??) first shot at it. The current grammar is a bit of humor aimed at me (??). I actually thought it was pretty funny and showed her (??) sense of humor.
You know, I thought that strange because I didn't remember seeing that the first time. That explains that, then.
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I remember you from the other forum. I'm calling bulls**t on that.
If you look at my post just a few above this, you will see (??) after every reference to the word "her" for a reason. No way does he......er, I mean "she" have big boobs :o
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Well this is getting a bit interesting.
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Well this is getting a bit interesting.
Said the moderator with his finger nervously twitching over the "lock" key.
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If you look at my post just a few above this, you will see (??) after every reference to the word "her" for a reason. No way does he......er, I mean "she" have big boobs :o
I saw that. I think that individual is just trying to get a "rise" out of people.
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Never heard of man boobs?
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Said the moderator with his finger nervously twitching over the "lock" key.
That boat has sailed.
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Never heard of man boobs?
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:rotflmao:
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Moderator Jim,
How does first amendment rights apply to a privately held public forum.
Honestly wondering, not looking for a fight.
I think that moderation is necessary along the lines Brian mentioned. You may want to switch this topic to another board.
Fretka
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If you look at my post just a few above this, you will see (??) after every reference to the word "her" for a reason. No way does he......er, I mean "she" have big boobs :o
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uhmmm are you implying drag...as in "queen" rather than "racing"
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I'm not Jim but I do not believe the Bill of Rights applies to a privately held / operated forum (or anything else for that matter). The Constitution is really all about protecting 'us' from the gov't, not each other.
As far as this thread goes, it has useful information in it about a better ground for a Power Commander on a C-14, especially now that it is labeled better so someone might find it again in the future. I think Jim moderated the pants off this thread already.... ;D
Brian
Moderator Jim,
How does first amendment rights apply to a privately held public forum.
Honestly wondering, not looking for a fight.
I think that moderation is necessary along the lines Brian mentioned. You may want to switch this topic to another board.
Fretka
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I am leaving this forum. I noticed that someone changed the title of my thread. Not good.
Oh c'mon ...... changing the title of the thread was done for good reason and completely justified. The possibility of a persons gender being falsely represented in order to make friends and influence people ......... now that is down right abomination.
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And so this brings to an end the story of the PCV install gone awry....