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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Taff on April 28, 2012, 09:58:00 AM

Title: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Taff on April 28, 2012, 09:58:00 AM
In an hour or so I am going to pick up my new carbon fiber rear hugger made by ProjektD.
Only ordered this a week ago from Taiwan so it shipped PDQ  ;D ;D

Anyone interested in some pictures before and after install?

Jon.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on April 28, 2012, 10:00:53 AM
That'd be keen!  I love the look of those, been thinking about it.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: ZG on April 28, 2012, 10:11:54 AM

Anyone interested in some pictures before and after install?


But of course...  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Pokey on April 28, 2012, 01:44:42 PM
You gotta remove the exhaust to install it, highly recommend some thread-lock on the bolts. Be sure to install while on the centerstand, be very aware that you have adequate clearance for all around the tire.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Pokey on April 28, 2012, 06:44:24 PM
Appreciate the advice.
Do you know if you need to "tweak" anything to ensure wheel clearance?

Jon.

Brackets are pretty beefy, and I think you have a bit of adjustment play for the mounting holes. I bedlined my brackets, I will never worry about them rusting. I honestly can't remember if I needed to do much adjusting, but it for sure does "hug" around that rear tire. ;)
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Conrad on April 29, 2012, 07:21:25 AM
Just opened the box to check the contents and have some pictures for you all  ;D ;D
The carbon fiber hugger was well packed and I also got the red filler plugs.

There was a plastic bag containing brackets, bolts etc that are needed for the install.
Next week I may be able to get the hugger fitted but at the moment I am unable to move much due to my chest having 5 big holes and 1 tiny one after surgery.

Jon.

I hope that you heal up fully and quickly.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on April 29, 2012, 09:55:02 AM
Holy cow, 65 bucks for shipping?
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: tonci on May 08, 2012, 01:13:57 AM
I hope you will get well.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: jonathan on May 08, 2012, 12:02:51 PM
This hugger is actually made by Skidmarx in the UK and is available in the US from Streetfighters by Design. There is no real need to buy it from Taiwan.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on May 08, 2012, 01:13:09 PM
These guys?  http://www.streetfightersbydesign.com/ (http://www.streetfightersbydesign.com/)

Terrible website....  is it the same as the ZX14 would be, as they don't have ZG/GTR listed?
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Conrad on May 08, 2012, 02:22:36 PM
These guys?  http://www.streetfightersbydesign.com/ (http://www.streetfightersbydesign.com/)

Terrible website....  is it the same as the ZX14 would be, as they don't have ZG/GTR listed?

Yep, that's the correct place. Their website is one of the worst I've ever seen. If you're serious about wanting the hugger give David a call (or e-mail), he's pretty good to deal with. We had a group buy on those huggers a couple of years ago and David imported them for us.

phone (772) 597-3207
email sbd@davidcork.com
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Cuda on May 08, 2012, 07:38:45 PM
Well let's have another group buy!
Just how close is the tire?
I was going to go to a 190 55 or 200 55
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on May 08, 2012, 08:55:35 PM
Yeah, I emailed him asking.  Thanks, Conrad!  :)
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Glennn on May 09, 2012, 06:35:20 AM

Just how close is the tire?
Here ya go.

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6737.msg80025 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=6737.msg80025)
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on May 09, 2012, 02:58:19 PM
$280 shipped from Streetfighterbydesign.com.  David is a very nice fellow.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: SimonSaysDie on May 09, 2012, 05:04:29 PM
I got one about a week ago, but I got the black one since my '09 is black.  I was originally looking at the Skidmarx site (not a great website) before finding Streetfighters and was happy because I just couldn't stomach the $70 for shipping.  SF shipped it the same day and shipping was only about $10.  I had a little issue with clearance on the right side; it was about as close to the tire as it could possibly be without rubbing so I didn't trust it.  I bent the right side bracket just slightly and it was perfect after that.  Like the instructions say, you will want to use some thread locker on the swingarm bolts when you put the nuts back on because once the hugger is on, the threaded portion of the bolt is literally just a hair to short to reach the lock on the lock nut.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: ZG on May 09, 2012, 10:26:37 PM
Looking good Jon!  8) :thumbs:
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 10, 2012, 04:04:50 AM
+1 on the thread locker.

Someone mention my name?
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Cuda on May 10, 2012, 04:26:56 AM
So it sounds like a bigger tire like a 200 55 would NOT fit with this fender? or could  one make changes to the brackets to mount a biger tire?
Thanks jj
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Conrad on May 10, 2012, 04:52:03 AM
I got one about a week ago, but I got the black one since my '09 is black.  I was originally looking at the Skidmarx site (not a great website) before finding Streetfighters and was happy because I just couldn't stomach the $70 for shipping.  SF shipped it the same day and shipping was only about $10.  I had a little issue with clearance on the right side; it was about as close to the tire as it could possibly be without rubbing so I didn't trust it.  I bent the right side bracket just slightly and it was perfect after that.  Like the instructions say, you will want to use some thread locker on the swingarm bolts when you put the nuts back on because once the hugger is on, the threaded portion of the bolt is literally just a hair to short to reach the lock on the lock nut.

This was an issue that some of us who participated in the group buy a couple of years ago had. We ended up ordering slightly longer bolts for those locations.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Conrad on May 10, 2012, 04:53:24 AM
Looking good Jon!  8) :thumbs:

+1
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on May 10, 2012, 05:28:53 AM
This was an issue that some of us who participated in the group buy a couple of years ago had. We ended up ordering slightly longer bolts for those locations.

Do you recall the exact bolt and size you acquired to replace?  I wouldn't mind getting them in advance so I can do the project as soon as my hugger is in.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Conrad on May 10, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Do you recall the exact bolt and size you acquired to replace?  I wouldn't mind getting them in advance so I can do the project as soon as my hugger is in.

Yep, I ordered em from Ron Ayers and here's the part numbers and size.

BOLT,SOCKET,10X67  Kaw # 92153-1944  Ayers part number 1100677

I bought some extra nuts at the time as well. (cuz I boogered up the originals)

NUT  Kaw # 92210-1139  Ayers part number 1107363
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on May 10, 2012, 04:15:33 PM
How man of each are required?  2?  And I'm confused... I looked the part on Ronayres.com and they look like OEM parts from Concours... if the OEM part is too short, what am I missing?  Or is it that one side is too short?

92153A 92153-1943 BOLT,SOCKET,10X63    
92153B 92153-1944 BOLT,SOCKET,10X67    
   

I see the part you reference is the 92153B which appears to be 4 mm longer than the other side... so the 67 is good for both sides and I'd just need one?
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Joncon11 on May 10, 2012, 06:01:49 PM
Someone mention my name?

I see what you did there  ???
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: gPink on May 11, 2012, 04:06:00 AM
Are you comfortable with the softer stainless bolts in what may be a critical location?
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Conrad on May 11, 2012, 05:17:11 AM
How man of each are required?  2?  And I'm confused... I looked the part on Ronayres.com and they look like OEM parts from Concours... if the OEM part is too short, what am I missing?  Or is it that one side is too short?

92153A 92153-1943 BOLT,SOCKET,10X63    
92153B 92153-1944 BOLT,SOCKET,10X67    
   

I see the part you reference is the 92153B which appears to be 4 mm longer than the other side... so the 67 is good for both sides and I'd just need one?

I have some pics on my work PC, I'll show you what I'm talking about later today. If I remember.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: gPink on May 11, 2012, 06:52:26 AM
Any hardness markings on the head?

http://www.k-tbolt.com/bolt_chart.html (http://www.k-tbolt.com/bolt_chart.html)

http://www.columbusdsm.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16655 (http://www.columbusdsm.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16655)
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Inch  Marks   Material      Tensil Strength  Yield Strength 
Grade on Head               N/mm2    psi     N/mm2    psi 
----- ------- ------------- ------ --------- ------ -------
2     none    Steel         510    74,000    393    57,000 
5     3       Steel         827    120,000   634    92,000 
8     6       Alloy Steel   1030   150,000   896    130,000 
SHCS  none    Alloy Steel   1240   180,000   965    140,000 
18-8  none    302 Stainless 690    100,000   448    65,000 
316   none    316 Stainless 690    100,000   448    65,000 
   
 
Metric Marks   Material       Tensile Strength  Yield Strength
Class  on Head                N/mm2    psi      N/mm2    psi
------ ------- -------------- ------ ---------- ------ -------
8.8    8.8     Steel          800    116,000    640    93,000 
10.9   10.9    Steel          1040   151,000    940    136,000 
12.9   12.9    Alloy Steel    1220   177,000    1100   160,000 
A2-70  A2-70   302 Stainless  700    102,000    450    65,000 
A4-80  A4-80   316 Stainless  800    116,000    600    87,000


Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: gPink on May 11, 2012, 07:12:28 AM
Taff, stainless has it's place. I tend to err on the side of caution, especially when being wrong might mean being dead. I'm not an engineer or metallurgist so I don't know when 'good enough' might not be good enough. Others might disagree but to each his own.  8)
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Conrad on May 11, 2012, 08:27:43 AM
Conrad, any help for me and other folks deciding to do this mod would be helpful.
More opinions and knowledge, better outcome as far as I am concerned.

Jon.

Here's the pics of my install using the stock bolts.

left side
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right side
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As you can see using the stock bolts the nuts just barely get the last bit of threads on the bolts and it would probably be fine for anyone less anal than I am. If you use the part numbers that I posted earlier the 67mm bolts are just a tad longer and the nuts get all of the threads. Using a longer bolt than 67mm will work of course but there's no need.
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Cuda on May 11, 2012, 10:27:10 AM
We mount 400lb+ + outboard motors on jack plates sometimes 12 in. back , making 370hp with four SS 1/2 bolts and I never heard of one snapping. 
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on May 22, 2012, 02:40:00 PM
UPS has my rear hugger.....  should be on my doorstep when I get home!
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: wildnphx on May 22, 2012, 03:12:37 PM
We mount 400lb+ + outboard motors on jack plates sometimes 12 in. back , making 370hp with four SS 1/2 bolts and I never heard of one snapping.

On a side note - We need to talk!!  I blew up my outboard and am in need of another..  Now of any decent deals on a Merc 225 EFI or DFI?  or I would take a 200 powerhead only if price is right...

Send me a PM...  thx

Back on topic I was seriously considering a Carbon Fiber hugger to match my Muzzy Dual Carbon Exhaust but just can't bring myself to spend more money at this time...  Spent to much over past couple months not to mention my other love aka boat needs some attention :)
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on May 22, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
LEFT TURN CLYDE!  lol
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Necron99 on May 24, 2012, 12:34:17 PM
So there's a step that was missed in the other guy's instructions, Taff was lucky enough to not have to remove his exhaust.   You'll see in my write out of this step how you can avoid it.

Install the stock exhaust.  Spend 15 minutes trying to figure out why the heck the mid pipe bolt won't go all the way through the hole.  Go inside and check the diagram on the shop manual.  Realizes that the back bracket goes INSIDE, not OUTSIDE.  Reinstall and the mid pipe bolt goes right through.

So...it only took me an hour or so (plus the extra enjoyment from the above step) to get 'er installed this a.m. before work.  Wanted to get it installed before bike night with my drinking buddies.  Large res available here - the file names without the "s": http://home.armourarchive.org/members/morgan/connie/hugger (http://home.armourarchive.org/members/morgan/connie/hugger)

(http://home.armourarchive.org/members/morgan/connie/hugger/hugger1s.jpg)
(http://home.armourarchive.org/members/morgan/connie/hugger/hugger2s.jpg)
(http://home.armourarchive.org/members/morgan/connie/hugger/hugger3s.jpg)
Title: Re: Carbon fiber rear hugger
Post by: Cuda on May 24, 2012, 08:16:13 PM
Looks GREAT looking forward to getting one also .