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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: KawiG on February 10, 2012, 07:52:01 PM

Title: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 10, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
O.k gang here is my dilemma, So far the accessories I have decided to buy for my C14 when I pick it up are the Corbin modular seat with a backrest and a slip on pipe. So here is the idea... There are several exhausts I like "all of them" and I was just wonderin if a little teamwork could help me cure my indecisiveness. I ask all of you fortunate enough to own a C14 with an aftermarket can or full system to post a video " or link" of one minute in length with camera placed appx 15 feet directly behind bike, 15 seconds of idle..."a few" seconds at each 1000 rpm mark and the rest just somewhat of a free for all. If it is a bad idea just tell me and I will understand, if it is a good idea lets hear them! And at the end we can all choose the winner of the battle of the Cans...what do you think? So far I am Leaning towards the Two Bros Carbon slip on but I would love to hear the rest! Maybe give the thread a day for everyone's ideas to be considered then let the Battle Of The Cans begin. What do y'all think?  Basic idea camera 15 feet behind bike, video one minute long.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: maxtog on February 10, 2012, 09:14:13 PM
What do y'all think? 

I think the quietest should win :)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: katata1100 on February 10, 2012, 09:21:30 PM
Evaluating the sounds of different mufflers off the 'net makes as much sense as auditioning home speakers using your cell phone. The recording range of most mics on cameras has limited low range, plus there is no way you can get an idea of sound level. And, I have even touched on playback quality.
Along the same lines, on a trip on my Kerker 4-1 equipped Katana 1100, I was video taping the redwoods behind my bike while it was idling. I was using a HDV cam with a vive surround mic.
When I got home and played it back, it sounded totally different.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: MidlifeCrisis on February 10, 2012, 10:11:46 PM
I ride with earplugs, so whatever noise the cans make is mostly for somebody else to enjoy/detest.  I don't mind aftermarket pipes that barks a bit midrange and high RPM, as long as it is relatively subdued off idle.  I prefer not **** off my neighbors, so if I can putt-putt in and out of the subdivision, it's quiet enough for me.

Frankly for me, it mostly comes down to the looks.  Just about anything is better than the bazooka.  I am partial to carbon fibre and/or Titanium, and I don't mind 2" pipe instead of the stock 2.5".  YMMV.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: AZ-ZG on February 10, 2012, 11:08:38 PM
My two pennies.  http://areapnolimits.com/products/Slip-On-Exhaust-Kawasaki-Concours-14-2008.php (http://areapnolimits.com/products/Slip-On-Exhaust-Kawasaki-Concours-14-2008.php) I got the carbon slip-on. Love the low growl. Had Two Bros. on an SV1000s, kinda loud. Have heard the V&H and am very happy with the choice I made. ;)  All depends on what you want, Happy spending...
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 06:04:38 AM
There is also an entertainment value..
http://youtu.be/crJpzjjsevE (http://youtu.be/crJpzjjsevE)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 06:10:36 AM
This one sounds good through the earphones!
http://youtu.be/kBqYUxfrP20 (http://youtu.be/kBqYUxfrP20)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 06:44:16 AM
The Bumphler 
http://youtu.be/In_NnoqHK3Y (http://youtu.be/In_NnoqHK3Y)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: curly on February 11, 2012, 06:49:41 AM
That last one sounds best what kind is it? :P
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 06:52:22 AM
That last one sounds best what kind is it? :P
P36 Space Modulator... :cannon:
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 11, 2012, 07:01:01 AM
P36 Space Modulator... :cannon:

I'm going to need that back when you guys are done playing with it. Don't make me wait too long either because I'll get angry, you wouldn't like me when I get angry.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/31/Marvinthemartain.jpg/200px-Marvinthemartain.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 07:26:38 AM
Whapappp.
http://youtu.be/O7BaegBVZ3o (http://youtu.be/O7BaegBVZ3o)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: maxtog on February 11, 2012, 07:52:23 AM
That last one sounds best what kind is it? :P

LOL!!!  It's that kind that is "free", looks fine, and is fully legal.  I will admit, it is kinda big, though  :)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 07:55:30 AM
I like the looks of this one the best!
http://youtu.be/2yVj1sBIMVg (http://youtu.be/2yVj1sBIMVg)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: McJunkie on February 11, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
Would love to hear a Leo Vince system.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 10:19:47 AM
Leo...not the best video though, needed a helper.
http://youtu.be/LvzL5KXh_lI (http://youtu.be/LvzL5KXh_lI)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 11, 2012, 10:28:37 AM
Just get a Muzzy or an Area P can, there is a very good reason why they are the most popular choices. 8)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 10:33:23 AM
Probably end up with the Two Bros Carbon, but having a lot of fun looking all the choices while I patiently wait for my C14. 
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 11, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
Probably end up with the Two Bros Carbon, but having a lot of fun looking all the choices while I patiently wait for my C14.


If you don't mind loud and obnoxious then they are the perfect choice, their build quality "especially packing" isn't up to par with some of the other offerings.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 10:40:16 AM

If you don't mind loud and obnoxious then they are the perfect choice, their build quality "especially packing" isn't up to par with some of the other offerings.
Thats some good info!! I always worried about pipes with the pop rivets in them. I do like the looks of the area p also.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 10:45:14 AM
Living In South Florida with all the traffic, I can also see where loud and obnoxious has it's benefits! Lots of hearing impaired drivers down here that just might not be able to see you but can hear something loud close by. The volume could get old on a long ride though.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Spanky on February 11, 2012, 10:47:13 AM
I have the Area P full system with the noise suppresion insert? Not sure exactly what they call it, but it is two pieces. I believe it was about $45.00. The outer piece just reduces the size of the exhaust opening and does reduce the noise to some extent. The second piece can be inserted into the first one with one allen screw and makes the exhaust only slightly louder than stock. This does choke out the bike in the upper rev range, but can be removed or installed in about a minute. The quality of the pipe seems to be very good, but I would not call it quiet without the insert.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 10:50:34 AM
I have the Area P full system with the noise suppresion insert? Not sure exactly what they call it, but it is two pieces. I believe it was about $45.00. The outer piece just reduces the size of the exhaust opening and does reduce the noise to some extent. The second piece can be inserted into the first one with one allen screw and makes the exhaust only slightly louder than stock. This does choke out the bike in the upper rev range, but can be removed or installed in about a minute. The quality of the pipe seems to be very good, but I would not call it quiet without the insert.
How about a video with and without?
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: maxtog on February 11, 2012, 11:01:24 AM
Living In South Florida with all the traffic, I can also see where loud and obnoxious has it's benefits! Lots of hearing impaired drivers down here that just might not be able to see you but can hear something loud close by.

Loud does not mean safe.  It just annoying.  http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.php (http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.php)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 11:03:36 AM
good reading :)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Spanky on February 11, 2012, 11:03:56 AM
How about a video with and without?

It is a wonder I can use a computer :). I don't have a video camera and I don't know of anyone who does. Check the area P website, they may have something. I know there are utube videos of the connie with the area p on it. I listened to them before I bought mine.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: ZG on February 11, 2012, 11:21:31 AM
Just get a Muzzy or an Area P can, there is a very good reason why they are the most popular choices. 8)

+1... You get what you pay for IMO.  :goodpost:
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 11:37:09 AM
This one sounds pretty good.
http://youtu.be/hTPlylQtYZ0 (http://youtu.be/hTPlylQtYZ0)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 11, 2012, 11:37:38 AM
The Leo, Muzzy and Area P do not drone at highway/interstate speeds, that was very important for me. I would stay away from the Two Brothers and the V&H if I were you, if you don't do allot of trips though it may not matter much to you.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: wally_games on February 11, 2012, 12:59:42 PM
Would love to hear a Leo Vince system.
The Leo Vince comes with an insert at no extra charge. First think I purchased for my Concours. I sure could have used a hand doing this.

Here's a clip without the insert:
MVI_1686.AVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQA34kfw9i8#)

And here's one with the insert:
MVI_1685.AVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHihlU3xC4o#)

I've ridden both with it installed and without. Eventually settled on leaving it in.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 11, 2012, 04:16:10 PM
The Leo Vince comes with an insert at no extra charge. First think I purchased for my Concours. I sure could have used a hand doing this.


Awesome!  Thanks Man your effort is appreciated! :chugbeer:
 Definitely like the size of the Leo system! Like I always tell my wife smaller is better ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: texrider on February 11, 2012, 04:37:55 PM
Anybody have a stock muffler from their '10-up they don't want? I was thinking of trying it on my '09.
(in the D/FW area)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: maxtog on February 11, 2012, 07:29:13 PM
Anybody have a stock muffler from their '10-up they don't want? I was thinking of trying it on my '09.
(in the D/FW area)

I thought the stock mufflers on all years were identical.  No?
I know the side pipe is a bit different on 2010+, it is polished and has a heat shield.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: AZ-ZG on February 11, 2012, 10:10:33 PM
Whichever you choose (Area P :p), you'll be surprised at the amount of air coming out! To feel your pants flap in the breeze, from 2 to 3 feet behind, at idle, will make you look to see who's tapping your leg. ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: curly on February 12, 2012, 07:04:45 AM
Anybody have a stock muffler from their '10-up they don't want? I was thinking of trying it on my '09.
(in the D/FW area)

Check the for sale on this site. Someone has one listed for $100.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 12, 2012, 07:05:59 AM
Whichever you choose (Area P :p), you'll be surprised at the amount of air coming out! To feel your pants flap in the breeze, from 2 to 3 feet behind, at idle, will make you look to see who's tapping your leg. ;)

+1 It's funny the way that it does that. I noticed leaves getting blown around in a strange way several feet behind the bike while idling. It's like it sends balls of air shooting out.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Zteve on February 12, 2012, 07:34:13 AM
Loud does not mean safe.  It just annoying.  http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.php (http://www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.php)
I especially like this advice  :rotflmao:


Take Action
Do not approach or attempt to reason with motorcycle riders. When possible, take down their license plate number and call the police.

Learn the existing noise codes in your community and how it applies to motorcycles. Lobby elected officials for EPA stamp enforcement.

Raise public awareness in your community and speak up at public hearings and meetings.

If you see a motorcycle shop opening up in your community, organize with community groups and send a clear message that the sale and installation of illegal exhaust systems will not be tolerated.

Riders who choose to ride with illegal exhaust systems ruin the image of the lifestyle and sport of motorcycling for others. Responsible riders and motorcycle clubs should advocate the use of legal exhaust systems.

Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: ljcorby on February 12, 2012, 08:54:02 AM
I also have one from a 2010, just haven't had a chance to get it up in the for sale section.

Check the for sale on this site. Someone has one listed for $100.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: 556ALPHA on February 12, 2012, 09:05:29 AM
I changed my 2009's original to a 2010 factory.  I always leave the bags and just installed a huge Corbin trunk so the pipe looks normal on  mine all things considered.  Without the bags the pipe looks 2x as big.

Before
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/DSC02519.jpg)

After
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/03.jpg)

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/nabags.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: McJunkie on February 12, 2012, 09:53:52 AM
Thanks for the posts on the Leo Vince. Like the sound and the looks of this can.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: ljcorby on February 12, 2012, 10:05:51 AM
Here's mine....

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u149/ljcorby/Concours%2014%20ABS%20Pics%201-7-12/DSCF0421.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 12, 2012, 11:18:38 AM
@Zsteve..... technically none of the aftermarket exhausts are legal, ever noticed how they specify track use and offroad only? ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Axxman on February 12, 2012, 11:54:46 AM
Here's mine....

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u149/ljcorby/Concours%2014%20ABS%20Pics%201-7-12/DSCF0421.jpg)

The V&H is the only exhaust that looks like it actually belongs on the bike. It follows the lines of the bike and angle of the bags perfectly!
Almost all the others just look like afterthoughts. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: ljcorby on February 12, 2012, 12:35:36 PM
I would have to agree with you. I am very happy with it. :-)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 12, 2012, 12:45:42 PM
Here's mine....

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u149/ljcorby/Concours%2014%20ABS%20Pics%201-7-12/DSCF0421.jpg)

The V&H is the only exhaust that looks like it actually belongs on the bike. It follows the lines of the bike and angle of the bags perfectly!
Almost all the others just look like afterthoughts. Just my opinion.

The Area P follows the lines of the bike and the bags too.

(http://www.areapnolimits.com/images/product/c14_cf_big.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 12, 2012, 01:14:47 PM
The V&H exhaust is nothing but an afterthought..........
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: maxtog on February 12, 2012, 02:09:25 PM
I changed my 2009's original to a 2010 factory.  I always leave the bags and just installed a huge Corbin trunk so the pipe looks normal on  mine all things considered.  Without the bags the pipe looks 2x as big.
 [before/after images]

Interesting but you didn't just change the muffler to the 2010+, you changed the pipe leading up to it as well.  The older one is definitely longer (by at LEAST a few inches), but I can't tell if it is due to the muffler, the lead-in pipe, or some of both.  The design of the muffler is similar, but different, too (I do like the 2010+ better).  So they are absolutely not the same, afterall.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 12, 2012, 05:25:53 PM
As The Band ANTHRAX said it ever so eloquently.....Bring Tha Noise!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: wally_games on February 12, 2012, 06:58:38 PM
@Zsteve..... technically none of the aftermarket exhausts are legal, ever noticed how they specify track use and offroad only? ;)

I believe that your statement might not be true of the Leo Vince.

http://www.leovince.com/files/F28474/CO-8112.pdf (http://www.leovince.com/files/F28474/CO-8112.pdf)

That may be with the the insert installed, but that's the way I roll anyway.

And it's 13# lighter than stock.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: texrider on February 12, 2012, 07:19:57 PM
I changed my 2009's original to a 2010 factory.  I always leave the bags and just installed a huge Corbin trunk so the pipe looks normal on  mine all things considered.  Without the bags the pipe looks 2x as big.

Before
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/DSC02519.jpg)

After
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/03.jpg)

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/2007electraroad/nabags.jpg)

That is exactly what I want to do, thanks for the pics! Did the newer can fit OK?
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 12, 2012, 07:34:32 PM
I believe that your statement might not be true of the Leo Vince.

http://www.leovince.com/files/F28474/CO-8112.pdf (http://www.leovince.com/files/F28474/CO-8112.pdf)

That may be with the the insert installed, but that's the way I roll anyway.

And it's 13# lighter than stock.


I had Leo Vince cans on my DL1000 Vstrom, and they specifically stated for track or offroad use only. OEM cans are designed to meet strict noise and emission requirements, and allot have spark arrestors in them. Some can be tamed down for the noise requirements, but may fail in other regards. Simply not being OEM is automatic failure in all actuality. And yes the weight savings is usually pretty significant all things considered. ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: wally_games on February 12, 2012, 07:53:37 PM
The Leo Vince is "EC" approved which is the European regulations for exhausts that can be used on the public streets. Unless a can that meets the European regs doesn't meet the US regs.

The LV for the Connie is the "Standard-mount Factory E-Approved Evo-II slip-on" and may not be the same as you had, although the same claim is now made on their website for the V-Strom exhaust.

Sorry, I guess I'm missing something somewhere.  ???
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 12, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
The Leo Vince is "EC" approved which is the European regulations for exhausts that can be used on the public streets. Unless a can that meets the European regs doesn't meet the US regs.

The LV for the Connie is the "Standard-mount Factory E-Approved Evo-II slip-on" and may not be the same as you had, although the same claim is now made on their website for the V-Strom exhaust.

Sorry, I guess I'm missing something somewhere.  ???


You aren't missing anything, they made a few changes over the years it seems. Here is what you are gonna see for the majority of the US offerings. Leo Vince isn't an American company, probably a good reason why they have products that meet European specs.


(http://www.twobros.com/images/Q.gif)Are aftermarket exhaust systems street legal?
(http://www.twobros.com/images/A.gif)No, a common misconception is that some aftermarket systems are legal while others are not. Currently no City, State or Federally approved motorcycle aftermarket exhaust system exists in the U.S. market. Our exhaust systems are for racing purposes only.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Zteve on February 12, 2012, 09:28:52 PM
@Zsteve..... technically none of the aftermarket exhausts are legal, ever noticed how they specify track use and offroad only? ;)


Technically not my words.  ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 12, 2012, 10:56:14 PM

Technically not my words.  ;)


Then you gotta be more clear about that young man, I was kinda wondering that actually. :)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 13, 2012, 04:38:55 AM
As The Band ANTHRAX said it ever so eloquently.....Bring Tha Noise!

I thought that was Public Enemy?
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 13, 2012, 04:39:44 AM
A bunch of outlaw bikers we are.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 13, 2012, 08:05:46 AM
I thought that was Public Enemy?


Was a collaboration between the 2. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah Booooooooooy!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 13, 2012, 08:38:56 AM

Was a collaboration between the 2. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah Booooooooooy!!!!!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: 556ALPHA on February 13, 2012, 09:02:25 AM
That is exactly what I want to do, thanks for the pics! Did the newer can fit OK?

It bolted up directly with no issues.  If you have passenger lowering pegs they may rub requiring a little grinding as the cover is much larger on the 2010+.  I rectified that by making my own unique setup.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: ZG on February 13, 2012, 09:31:08 AM
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah Booooooooooy!!!!!!!

 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: rtarp1 on February 13, 2012, 09:50:48 AM
vance and hines looks and sounds the best in my opinion.   
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: ljcorby on February 13, 2012, 09:54:15 AM
+1
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 13, 2012, 02:54:42 PM

Was a collaboration between the 2. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah Booooooooooy!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 13, 2012, 07:44:31 PM
could always go this route...lightest on the market
http://youtu.be/KjwDof-leq4 (http://youtu.be/KjwDof-leq4)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: ZG on February 13, 2012, 07:58:07 PM
could always go this route...lightest on the market

 :o
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: 556ALPHA on February 13, 2012, 07:59:39 PM

 :o

LMAO
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: martin_14 on February 16, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
could always go this route...lightest on the market

once more it is proved that there's no replacement for displacement...  8)

BTW, in one of the videos it was shown the LeoVince, and I was surprised how similar it sounds and looks to my Remus Hexacone. Identical, to be honest, except for the sticker, which is even in the same location. Me thinks...
BTW 2, most of these cans are street legal here in Europe. What is definitely illegal (in Germany at least) is the Power Commander  :-\
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: MGvalerio on February 22, 2012, 12:14:07 AM
Taglio al finale meno15cm e non entriamo nel corpo silenziatore,rimettiamo il coperchio che ora fa da camera di risonanza,e non abbiamo variato un bel niente....vedi AVATAR:

(http://i43.tinypic.com/33m4kdz.jpg)


MGvalerio. :)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: W14 on February 26, 2012, 09:46:14 AM
Had my two brothers (the loud one) installed a couple days ago.  It has a deep growl at idle, bringing out the sound on the big engine. When accelerating, it is loud (in a good way) but not obnoxious as described by some - I drove up on some men eating outdoors at a restaurant and to my surprise the sound of my bike did not turn heads, just don't rev it. It also is not particularly loud at interstate speeds and does not turn heads as I was hoping it would - a safety factor, as I have had too many drivers cut in front of me because they did not realize I was there.

I like the two brothers and I have gotten positive feedback from sports-car and motorcycle enthusiats but it is not for those who want a quiet pipe.

BTW, the pipe was installed by an official state inspection station, so what is street legal depends on the  laws in the state and/or locality in which you live or ride.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: stevewfl on February 26, 2012, 11:42:55 AM
I haven't read through this whole thread, but if the Area P families' product has been mentioned then the battle is over (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Makz58 on February 26, 2012, 11:54:09 AM
After some research I went with the AreaP should be here this week...I also looked at Remus and LeoV but much more $$$$$.  Not that the $$ was the deciding factor...you US folks are lucky to have easy access, free shipping and good pricing for the the after market exhaust...
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 26, 2012, 12:01:17 PM
After some research I went with the AreaP should be here this week...I also looked at Remus and LeoV but much more $$$$$.  Not that the $$ was the deciding factor...you US folks are lucky to have easy access, free shipping and good pricing for the the after market exhaust...


And guns!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on February 26, 2012, 12:07:49 PM
I haven't read through this whole thread, but if the Area P families' product has been mentioned then the battle is over (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)

Unless you want the same performance for less money.................



Go with the Muzzy.  AreaP is nice but they were taking to long to ship.

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m245/flygirl5485/2012-02-22_15-07-54_597.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Makz58 on February 26, 2012, 12:09:05 PM

And guns!!!!! ;)
If you jump through the right hoops up here you can have guns....and water for them is free lol .
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: stevewfl on February 26, 2012, 12:17:16 PM
I've done a lot of business with Muzzy in the past... I won't knock them but I'll go on record saying I won't ever do business with them again.

Especially as long as Area P and Brock's are options.  Matter of fact, I'd go two brothers 1st even!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 27, 2012, 04:40:01 AM
Had my two brothers (the loud one) installed a couple days ago.  It has a deep growl at idle, bringing out the sound on the big engine. When accelerating, it is loud (in a good way) but not obnoxious as described by some - I drove up on some men eating outdoors at a restaurant and to my surprise the sound of my bike did not turn heads, just don't rev it. It also is not particularly loud at interstate speeds and does not turn heads as I was hoping it would - a safety factor, as I have had too many drivers cut in front of me because they did not realize I was there.

I like the two brothers and I have gotten positive feedback from sports-car and motorcycle enthusiats but it is not for those who want a quiet pipe.

BTW, the pipe was installed by an official state inspection station, so what is street legal depends on the  laws in the state and/or locality in which you live or ride.

Cuz as we all know, loud pipes save lives right?    ::)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: W14 on February 27, 2012, 05:02:35 AM
Despite what the studies say, there are many bikers/riders who will say that loud pipes have saved their lives. I don't advocate for pipes that are obnoxiously loud, but stealth works when you don't want to be seen or hear which is not the case when you are on a motorcycle.   
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 27, 2012, 05:04:52 AM
Despite what the studies say, there are many bikers/riders who will say that loud pipes have saved their lives. I don't advocate for pipes that are obnoxiously loud, but stealth works when you don't want to be seen or hear which is not the case when you are on a motorcycle.

You're right, we wouldn't want to confuse things with the facts.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Sea Level on February 27, 2012, 06:03:17 AM
Picked up my bike this last weekend from the dealer, where's it been hibernating for the winter and having some work done, including installation of a Two-Brothers slip-on.

Wearing a full-face helmet, I did not find the exhaust overly loud, although it is by no means unintrusive. I wasn't pulling the engine hard though, and I have the sense that I'll end up putting in an optional baffle, just to keep my neighbors happy.

It's great to be rid of the original bazooka, with it's weight, size, and lack of sound. The Brothers looks real good in the black carbon.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: MGvalerio on February 27, 2012, 06:33:34 AM
Bazzuca GTR 1400 MY 2007 modified..sound
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2wevx8n.jpg)
http://youtu.be/YoVUID-MmS8 (http://youtu.be/YoVUID-MmS8)


MGvalerio. 8)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Toaster on February 27, 2012, 09:29:31 AM
I have had a few winter projects for my 09. I shortened the OVER size can. I took 6" off the can and 9" off the interior of the baffling (you can see through the muffler now).  I installed heated grips and heat shields.  I am also going to install a cruise control, think it will be the Rostra.
I have not run the bike on the road since I shorten the can, but it looks a lot better and has a nice mellow sound when running.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Pokey on February 27, 2012, 03:15:01 PM
^^^^^^now you just have a smaller turd^^^^^^^^^ ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: maxtog on February 27, 2012, 03:36:13 PM
You're right, we wouldn't want to confuse things with the facts.

:)

Nope, lots of people just "know" what is true and there is no telling them otherwise.  I would throw "Loud pipes save lives" in the category of religion.

And most people are just not logical or analytical.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Cuda on February 27, 2012, 05:05:38 PM
"Nope, lots of people just "know" what is true and there is no telling them otherwise.  I would throw "Loud pipes save lives" in the category of religion.

And most people are just not logical or analytical."
[/quote]
Now your going to start a fire storm , your going to HELL --
I'll see you there,  12 years of Roman Catholic education down the ..... ::)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 27, 2012, 05:06:35 PM
My Pipe will go too 11...never heard anyone complain about a quiet motorcycle...I'll just consider MY airbag as being manufactured by Two Bros..People don't hear quiet stuff...but volume speaks volume! When I'm in a crowd of snow birds on 95 I will intentionally go down a couple gears!! In environments where sound is louder than normal I will be quiet!!! as possible. There are noise regulations for a reason!!!!! People hear noise...no further investigation necessary! If people have the right to drive at 85 I have the right to be LOUD! IF it's Too Loud you're too OLD! hello Cleveland.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 27, 2012, 05:19:24 PM
Bazzuca GTR 1400 MY 2007 modified..sound
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2wevx8n.jpg)
http://youtu.be/YoVUID-MmS8 (http://youtu.be/YoVUID-MmS8)


MGvalerio. 8)
Nice throttle control....squeezing it like a grape.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: stevewfl on February 27, 2012, 06:03:07 PM
Loud pipes "save lives" <----- another high performance Hardly-Ableson claim far from truth.  The overwhelming data and statistics, combined with just a little common sense dispel the madness  (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 27, 2012, 06:21:33 PM
Common sense ain't that common...when you scare someone do you say..boo!!! Or BOO! Common sense!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on February 27, 2012, 06:24:02 PM
This is one of my favorite pictures I have ever taken.  It was located at the turnout for the overlook on the Dragon.

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m245/flygirl5485/IMAG0146-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 27, 2012, 06:27:08 PM
This is one of my favorite pictures I have ever taken.  It was located at the turnout for the overlook on the Dragon.

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m245/flygirl5485/IMAG0146-1.jpg)
That is also common sense...agree with it too!!!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 27, 2012, 06:28:49 PM
Thank god for all the sound deadening material put in my Acura RL..it helps block the noise I wouldn't be able to hear otherwise. And who needs ear protection at the shooting range... ::) NOISE GETS NOTICED..if it helps or not who knows...but a lot of sniper victims don't like silencers...I'm sure of that! But I guess you could find those who would disagree..... :-\ Snipers in the military would be much safer if they were louder...agreed???  I'm sure there must be a lot of law makers riding bikes..not driving to work in there sound proof mercedes...the only thing they heard on the way to work was a couple Harleys...and they need to put a stop to that!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Cuda on February 27, 2012, 06:40:30 PM
I just returned home from a estimate , yes it's dark out, as I pull up  this 20 something guy  is waiting for me , COVERED in tatoos,  says is that a 250 , no, a 350,  no  It's SOOO QUIET he says ,
 It 's a 1400 Kaw , NO WAY , WAY ;D
Not sure if loud pipes saves lives , but it sure makes you MACHO
A 250 huh ......... maybe I'll get that Leo Vince ::)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 27, 2012, 06:42:25 PM
I just returned home from a estimate , yes it's dark out, as I pull up  this 20 something guy  is waiting for me , COVERED in tatoos,  says is that a 250 , no, a 350,  no  It's SOOO QUIET he says ,
 It 's a 1400 Kaw , NO WAY , WAY ;D
Not sure if loud pipes saves lives , but it sure makes you MACHO
A 250 huh ......... maybe I'll get that Leo Vince ::)
  just run a straight pipe...it is just a 250 ya know!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 27, 2012, 06:46:49 PM
Macho is a good thing....right??? I am close to deaf, so I like my bikes a little louder so I can appreciate the...sound! But I guess that makes me wrong.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: maxtog on February 27, 2012, 07:29:37 PM
This is one of my favorite pictures I have ever taken.  It was located at the turnout for the overlook on the Dragon.

Love it!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: maxtog on February 27, 2012, 07:32:06 PM
Common sense ain't that common...when you scare someone do you say..boo!!! Or BOO! Common sense!

If you ask me, scaring people driving deadly weapons is probably not a great idea, either :)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 27, 2012, 08:03:29 PM
If you ask me, scaring people driving deadly weapons is probably not a great idea, either :)
We all assume we all can hear good!!!! Put in some earplugs...then put on some earmuffs...then some real dark sunglasses....add some sound proofing to your car, place the steering wheel at eye level...turn on the radio"at low volume"...and then give me three good reasons why you should be allowed on the road! Quit worrying about the loud bikes and worry about the things that are common sense! Don't worry about the teens that shouldn't be allowed to drive with their phones in the car...or the moms with four kids in their car...or the trucker making a deadline..or....or....or...a loud bike passes by quickly in retrospect! I would rather increase my chances of being heard or seen...after all the "Scientists" saying noise don't keep you safe, don't believe in God.....and may God be with ya!
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 27, 2012, 08:12:36 PM
 ;) We are all here for the "SAME" reason right...
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: ZG on February 27, 2012, 09:52:06 PM
Macho is a good thing....right??? I am close to deaf, so I like my bikes a little louder so I can appreciate the...sound! But I guess that makes me wrong.

 :rotflmao:
 
See ya down at the Y bro...  ;)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Boomer on February 28, 2012, 04:12:33 AM
Over here we have very few of the Butt Jewelry brigade with their straight pipes.
What we have instead is hordes of 50 & 125cc scooters with the baffles ripped out.
That's a really nasty sound, especially the 2 strokes.

We also have many 600-1000cc sports bikes running race "mufflers".
Many of those you can clearly hear as they accelerate up the nearest on-ramp which is only 1 and a half miles from my house.
When they do this at 6pm who cares?. At 2am they really p!$$ me off. :shoot: :nuts: :loco: :battle:

Now I have a 2 Bros on my C14 but I have the decency to keep the rpm and throttle opening low when others are asleep.
It's also nowhere near as loud as those race cans.

As for the "Saves Lives" bit, I do have to admit that I fitted the 2 Bros as I wanted to be able to let people know I was there whilst lanesplitting.
For that it works well as a blip of the throttle is far less "confrontational" than sounding the hooter.
Did it save my life?
Probably not, but it may well have saved me from dozy, cotton-wool wrapped, cellphone using, incompetent drivers pulling over into me.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 28, 2012, 04:37:24 AM
Macho is a good thing....right??? I am close to deaf, so I like my bikes a little louder so I can appreciate the...sound! But I guess that makes me wrong.

I can't imagine how that might have happened...
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 28, 2012, 04:44:52 AM
My Pipe will go too 11...never heard anyone complain about a quiet motorcycle...I'll just consider MY airbag as being manufactured by Two Bros..People don't hear quiet stuff...but volume speaks volume! When I'm in a crowd of snow birds on 95 I will intentionally go down a couple gears!! In environments where sound is louder than normal I will be quiet!!! as possible. There are noise regulations for a reason!!!!! People hear noise...no further investigation necessary! If people have the right to drive at 85 I have the right to be LOUD! IF it's Too Loud you're too OLD! hello Cleveland.

Thank god for all the sound deadening material put in my Acura RL..it helps block the noise I wouldn't be able to hear otherwise. And who needs ear protection at the shooting range... ::) NOISE GETS NOTICED..if it helps or not who knows...but a lot of sniper victims don't like silencers...I'm sure of that! But I guess you could find those who would disagree..... :-\ Snipers in the military would be much safer if they were louder...agreed???  I'm sure there must be a lot of law makers riding bikes..not driving to work in there sound proof mercedes...the only thing they heard on the way to work was a couple Harleys...and they need to put a stop to that!

Seriously? You're not making any sense what so ever. WTF are you going on about? People hear noise? Well, yeah...

"but a lot of sniper victims don't like silencers"

Say what? A silencer makes no difference at all to the 'victims' since the bullets are supersonic. If the victim hears the shot, the sniper missed. Not that this has anything to do with what we're talking about here...     ::)
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: W14 on February 28, 2012, 04:58:12 AM
+ 1 on the reason for the 2 Bros.

Yesterday, I got in about 150 miles of mixed riding on the newly installed 2 Bros. On the twisties, the fun factor is multiplied, as the sound from the engine from decelerating into and accelerating out of curves is exhilarating...momentarily making me forget that I will turn 60 next month.

Entering onto interstates is equaling exhilarating, as the true sound from the in-line 4 begs to test its limit. Have to admit though, the constant feedback from the engine would probably be annoying on a multiple day trip, so I have the insert silencer for that purpose.

Through the neighborhood, the 2 Bros makes noise but is not harley loud and not nearly as loud as lawn mowers, power saws or the whistling train that goes by ever several hours..don't recall hearing it this morning.  Plus, I tool through the neighborhood in third gear, making very little noise.

Thumbs up for the TB.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: MGvalerio on February 28, 2012, 10:07:59 AM
http://youtu.be/YoVUID-MmS8 (http://youtu.be/YoVUID-MmS8)


At my bazzuca changed or done well Db Killer in the movie is without a Db Killer.


MGvalerio. 8)


Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 28, 2012, 03:01:59 PM
Seriously? You're not making any sense what so ever. WTF are you going on about? People hear noise? Well, yeah...

"but a lot of sniper victims don't like silencers"

Say what? A silencer makes no difference at all to the 'victims' since the bullets are supersonic. If the victim hears the shot, the sniper missed. Not that this has anything to do with what we're talking about here...     ::)
The first victim probably would agree with ya...the second and third guy probably would agree with me, Anyway not really being too serious about anything, I figured the Village people was a good clue ::) Just having some fun. But I ain't cancelling my Two Bros V.A.L.E Black series order by any means. My wife agrees with ya anyway, about the rambling on an not making any sense. Capt Morgan understands me perfectlu though ???
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: Conrad on February 28, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
The first victim probably would agree with ya...the second and third guy probably would agree with me, Anyway not really being too serious about anything, I figured the Village people was a good clue ::) Just having some fun. But I ain't cancelling my Two Bros V.A.L.E Black series order by any means. My wife agrees with ya anyway, about the rambling on an not making any sense. Capt Morgan understands me perfectlu though ???

Ah, I didn't know that the Capt was helpin you out here. Now I see the light.    :thumbs:
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: KawiG on February 28, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
 :chugbeer: All Good...next week when I get my Connie I probably won't have as much time on my hands..
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: maxtog on February 28, 2012, 04:19:43 PM
When they do this at 6pm who cares?. At 2am they really p!$$ me off. :shoot: :nuts: :loco: :battle:

I would probably be asleep at 2am and not care.  At 6pm, it would really P!$$ me off.  There is no "good" time for extreme noise pollution.  People sleep, nap, read, relax, try to concentrate, etc at all different times.
Title: Re: Battle of the CANS!
Post by: rcannon409 on February 28, 2012, 04:30:43 PM
I have a close family member who is from the "Loud Lives save Pipes Club"  He KNOWS that the sound makes him safer.

Three weeks ago he had his fingers operated on a 3rd time since his accident.  While riding at, 70mph, through known deer crossing terrain, he hit  a deer.  Who woudl have seen this coming?  He was lucky to not get  a DUI, but his BAC was only .05 when tested.   No helmet either.  He still says he and I need to go for a ride......The same guy warned me that the quiet LeoVince on my c14 was an accident waiting to happen.

To each his own. Enjoy riding.  I can say that in my state 90% of the motorcycle complaints from normal people have to do with noise.