Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: stevewfl on December 17, 2011, 01:15:17 PM
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because for the 1st time in 47,000 miles and two years my bike was wheelying all over during the sportbike ride today. The third time it caught me so off guard i SLAMMED the front down.
i gotta get it in some loose sand or wet grass and put it through the traction test, warranty man may be getting my bike finally after all this time.
i thought maybe I had it disabled but pushed the button and then the yellow disabled warning light came on so I think it was right initially.
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What would traction controll have over a wheelie? I don't have traction control on my 09 and so far have not had a wheelie problem. ;)
Back in 1974 I had a Z-1A which got weird at 7400 miles. There was a few times I had to hit the rear brake to get it back down. The front end of my little triple was always in the air.....even when I was not trying to.
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I would think it would throw a code if it was malfunctioning...
But I don't know much about it. My bike doesn't have TC on it, or ABS with linked brakes, and I'm glad.
If I want to do a burnout or carry the front wheel down the street, I want that choice available. :)
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What would traction controll have over a wheelie? I don't have traction control on my 09 and so far have not had a wheelie problem. ;)
Traction control compares the front and rear wheel speed and the computer doesn't allow them to be a different speed, SUPPOSED to prevent wheelies and burnouts which to date it always has.
I would think it would throw a code if it was malfunctioning...
But I don't know much about it. My bike doesn't have TC on it, or ABS with linked brakes, and I'm glad.
If I want to do a burnout or carry the front wheel down the street, I want that choice available. :)
Uhhhm traction control can be disabled.
Aside that its proven trillions times over street and trac the same rider brakes faster with ABS.
If I was closeminded to the latest available performance technologies I'd be rockin' a hardley-ableson with a "springer" suspension and if the air force had that 'tude they would have a fleet of bi-planes (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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f I was closeminded to the latest available performance technologies I'd be rockin' a hardley-ableson with a "springer" suspension and if the air force had that 'tude they would have a fleet of bi-planes
Yeah and it would be a kinder world. Bi Planes on a aircraft carrier would be sorta cool. Traction contol on a Cown Vic about got me stuck one time. Turned it off and away we went. No wheelie though.
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Aside that its proven trillions times over street and trac the same rider brakes faster with ABS.
:popcorn:
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Aside that its proven trillions times over street and trac the same rider brakes faster with ABS.
OMG...let the arguments begin. Those are fighting words on most forums I go to.
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Aside that its proven trillions times over street and trac the same rider brakes faster with ABS.
Me thinks, I've been wrong before, stevewfl means the vehicle stops faster with ABS. No argument from me. I don't think he means the driver gets on the brakes faster. No backwards wheelie with ABS either.... ::)
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Nicky Hayden loves drifting through turns, and I like it sometimes as well. 8)
I'm not 1/10th as fast as Nicky, but still love sliding my bike. I like ABS in cages, but not traction control or anti-sway. My new truck has that crap, and it limits what I want to do. ::)
I don't need a computer to save me. I can control my ride. ;D
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if your front wheel came up and your traction control was on , its broken.
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How far is it coming up? You can get the front end up a few inches with traction control on.
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Nicky Hayden loves drifting through turns, and I like it sometimes as well. 8)
I'm not 1/10th as fast as Nicky, but still love sliding my bike. I like ABS in cages, but not traction control or anti-sway. My new truck has that crap, and it limits what I want to do. ::)
I don't need a computer to save me. I can control my ride. ;D
Nicky Hayden signed my Shoei
if your front wheel came up and your traction control was on , its broken.
yes sir indeed, I suspect its broken
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Have you checked the battery in yer fob ;)
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OMG...let the arguments begin. Those are fighting words on most forums I go to.
LMAO! a few will take the bait on this forum too. most know me though
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Have you checked the battery in yer fob ;)
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WOW thank you sir I HONESTLY haven't and highly suspect that may be the root cause since you brought it up! ;D
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LMAO! a few will take the bait on this forum too. most know me though
ABS=Another Beginners Scooter 8)
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ABS=Another Beginners Scooter 8)
topic was traction control but threadjacks are always welcome and my TC is broke...oops I meant KiPass bat may be low (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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Always check the easy stuff first. It may be nothing more than a dead fuse or loose connector.
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Always check the easy stuff first. It may be nothing more than a dead fuse or loose connector.
Wouldn't something like that trigger a fault code? It would be a pretty questionable design if safety systems such as ABS and TC could just go offline silently...
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I've got you beat on Hayden sigs. 8)
I'm sitting on a goldmine. 8)
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i gotta get it in some loose sand or wet grass and put it through the traction test, warranty man may be getting my bike finally after all this time.
Better test the ABS too :yikes:
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topic was traction control but threadjacks are always welcome and my TC is broke...oops I meant KiPass bat may be low (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Steve,
You have most likely broken your TC by installing that 190X55 rear tire. The slightly larger rolling diameter has caused the TC to allow just a bit more speed difference between your front and rear wheels. :rotflmao:
I too run a 190X55 and my TC is working great on gravel surfaces and wet pavement in a straight line.
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if your front wheel came up and your traction control was on , its broken.
I wonder if this is a fact in every gear—particularly third gear? ? Not trying to discredit anyone but; IMO, It would be nice if there were a Big K rep on the forum that could answer this for certain.
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I wonder if this is a fact in every gear—particularly third gear? ? Not trying to discredit anyone but; IMO, It would be nice if there were a Big K rep on the forum that could answer this for certain.
I wonder how that is supposed to work: in the S1000RR traction control and wheelie control are two different features. Me wonders how. Where's Brian?
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They are one and the same on the C14. It is a very simple system. It compares the speed on the front wheel and speed on the rear wheel and that is it. No fancy wheelie control or anything like that. Maybe it got confused. Or the change in tire size makes a bigger difference than one thinks.
The larger rear wheel turns slower than the front wheel and allows you to wheelie longer before the front wheel slows down enough for the system to detect it. That's my theory anyways.
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it would be easy to find out if tc is working or not. just go try to spin it up on gravel or grass.
I think the whole point of this thread is just that wfl wanted us to know he did a wheelie.
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I haven't played with turning the TC off, but my bike will power wheelie, at least for very short hops.
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In the spirit of trouble shooting I have a coupla questions.
1. Did you use a full synthetic oil last oil change? (Synthetic adds about 50 horse power and some 46 ft pounds of torque)
2. Did you place your fob in your left or right pocket? (Right pocket is for touring, left is for squiding)
3. Did you flip on your 12 volt hair dryer/red neck turbo?
;D ;D
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yes the front wheel will come up a tiny bit(it has to for the traction control, to detect it) BUT IT WILL IMMEDIATLY SHUT DOWN YOUR ENGINE, YOU WILL FEELI IT. IF IT DOESNT DO THAT ITS BROKEN.
SORRY FOR CAPS WAS ACCIDENT.
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yes the front wheel will come up a tiny bit(it has to for the traction control, to detect it) BUT IT WILL IMMEDIATLY SHUT DOWN YOUR ENGINE, YOU WILL FEELI IT. IF IT DOESNT DO THAT ITS BROKEN.
and there are people that will pay for this ?
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and there are people that will pay for this ?
1) It is not optional on the US 2011/2012, it is standard equipment, just like ABS. So you do not "pay for it" (by opting for it) except as part of the price of the bike.
2) It is not designed specifically to stop wheelies, that is just a side-effect. It is primarily a safety system to keep control, stability, and power in adverse conditions, such as rain, sand, slippery pavement, mud, etc. For that purpose, people report it works very well.
3) You can disable it whenever you like, from the handlebar controls. Although, it will default back to "on" again when the bike is restarted.
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Me too...
With TC on if I do a power wheelie it comes up a bit but the engine cuts power and it SLAMS back down.
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I've got you beat on Hayden sigs. 8)
I'm sitting on a goldmine. 8)
He signed your ass? :o
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:rotflmao:
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IT WILL IMMEDIATLY SHUT DOWN YOUR ENGINE, YOU WILL FEELI IT. IF IT DOESNT DO THAT ITS BROKEN.
Are you high?
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He signed your ass? :o
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He signed your ass? :o
It didn't happen unless you have pictures :-X
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Here's my theory. KIPASS is so awesome it can not only read your mind but can read your subconscious thoughts. Steve subconsciously wanted to wheelie the bike so KIPASS shut off KTRC for him. That's the mad powah of KIPASS!!!
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It didn't happen unless you have pictures :-X
Be careful what you wish for...
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@cablebandit High as in stoned or high as in the front wheel is high? No the front wheel is not high , it might make it an inch or 2 at most before throttle is retarded.. When i want to wheelie or ride aggressively i turn it off..
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Already have a bunch of Teressa and I riding
Be careful what you wish for...
Thats about true huh. Honestly, I went the WHOLE DAY without taking a pic, I intentionally left my cam gear at home =)
Here's my theory. KIPASS is so awesome it can not only read your mind but can read your subconscious thoughts. Steve subconsciously wanted to wheelie the bike so KIPASS shut off KTRC for him. That's the mad powah of KIPASS!!!
Thanks, Man wow I get the whole thing now. I humbly have to admit my feeble mind will never ever be able to learn about all the mad powah of KiPass! (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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Be careful what you wish for...
Yuk it up, Girls. I'll take a pic and post it in a heartbeat! :)
I have two three Nicky Hayden sigs. One on my Dainese Tattoo jacket, and one on Nicky's faceshield right after winning the AMA Superbike Championship.
Tommy signed my jacket on the opposite shoulder the same day. That was the day Nicky told me He was gonna be Rossi's teammate.
I also have a signed Nicky poster from His AMA winning season.
I've met so many of my motorcycle heros, and feel so lucky to have had the chance.
I knew I should have deleted that post. :banghead:
8)
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You can run but you can't hide.
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Yuk it up, Girls. I'll take a pic and post it in a heartbeat! :)
I knew I should have deleted that post. :banghead:
8)
I've heard that about you... ;)
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I've heard that about you... ;)
They weren't kidding. ;D
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Here's my theory. KIPASS is so awesome it can not only read your mind but can read your subconscious thoughts. Steve subconsciously wanted to wheelie the bike so KIPASS shut off KTRC for him. That's the mad powah of KIPASS!!!
^^^^^that!
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So, how "bout it? Have you taken your bike to the beack to see if the traction control works? While you're there snap some pics that approach an R rating ;D
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So, how "bout it? Have you taken your bike to the beack to see if the traction control works? While you're there snap some pics that approach an R rating ;D
LMAO! Haven't had time to fool with the bike/stealership warranty gig, busy with work, college photography and mainly riding the big behemouth - I have a house sitter in place and the bike and I are in the Carolinas!
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The hell with Nicky.... JimmyMac.. can I have your autograph??? 8)
JJ
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The hell with Nicky.... JimmyMac.. can I have your autograph??? 8)
JJ
I know! 8)
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