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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: speed545 on May 26, 2014, 05:25:46 PM
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hey guys
before taking the bike for a ride yesterday, I noticed this
(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l440/speed545/004_zps7465796f.jpg)
This is a Avon Storm Ultra tire, 3 years old and with 10000 mi on it. It s due but did not expect this
I keep tire pressure at 42-44, do not overload the bike and ride 2 up 50% of the time
Any idea
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Did you ride it when it was cold out?
Some of the new high performance rubber used in tires will crack if used in cold temps.
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:yikes: Replace but keep that tire. Contact Avon and ask if they want the tire back to check what happened. Maybe they'll give you some credit.
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Did you ride it when it was cold out?
Some of the new high performance rubber used in tires will crack if used in cold temps.
Sure hope not. I've ridden in the teens many times.
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Wow, how did that quarter get stuck in it? I never thought that money was so dangerous to a tire. :yikes: Thank goodness it wasn't a larger denomination. And yes, I'm just getting started.
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Toxic Canadian air?
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Ninja???
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Terrorist committing a run-by tire slitting? Perhaps as punishment for averaging only 3,333 miles per year :stirpot:
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I've never had a MC tire dry rot like that. What's the date code on it?
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Terrorist committing a run-by tire slitting? Perhaps as punishment for averaging only 3,333 miles per year :stirpot:
hehe, I m starting my 3th year so it s a 2 years old tire lol
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I've never had a MC tire dry rot like that. What's the date code on it?
14th week of 2010
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Please tell us the date code located on the tire. It is a 4 digit code.
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Please tell us the date code located on the tire. It is a 4 digit code.
14th week of 2010
Not enough info?
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:o
I'll stick with Michelins... ;) :)
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I've never had a MC tire dry rot like that.
I have, but not that severe
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:o
I'll stick with Michelins... ;) :)
+1!! :)
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I understand that they were produced in 2010. they we re in stock 2 years before I got it. But split like that on one side only :o
I wrote Avon yesterday. PR3 on the way
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14th week of 2010
Not enough info?
Sorry,
I must have posted and not seen that info. The tire is over 4 years old. Thats not old enough to dry rot. I have replaced tires in good shape because they were over 4 years old before just because I do not trust them. Cold weather is the only thing I can think of that would do that. I did have an Avon separate with less than 500 miles on it. Avon replaced it at no charge.
Now I run PR3 only.
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This is a Avon Storm Ultra tire, 3 years old and with 10000 mi on it. It s due but did not expect this
I keep tire pressure at 42-44, do not overload the bike and ride 2 up 50% of the time
Any idea
I run nothing but Avons.....the Storm 2 Ultras, and the regular Storms before them. Have a set of the new Storm 3D-XM's on now but haven't ridden on them much.
10k miles is wow for me...I NEVER get that out of them...if I even get 5k miles out of a rear I'm excited.
But to answer the original question...I've never seen 'em split like that. I had a rear tire fail very quickly on me one time...turns out the pressure was a little low, but I did chat with an Avon engineer at the time, and he said that the Storms were never really meant for a big heavy (and powerful) bike like the C14. I can burn through a rear tire in 3500 miles if I'm having lots of fun;).
Rem 8)
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I used to run Avon Azaros on my sportbikes back in the 90s, they were great handling tires and the handling didn't change when they wore, not even if they squared off. They did have a problem back then with some of the Azaros with the tread spitting in a similar fashion as your sidewall did. The sidewall on the Azaros didn't split, but the tread did on a limited number of their tires.
Any manufacturer can have issues, yours definitely needs to be taken car of by Avon. I'm glad you caught it before it caused an accident.
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Is it a crack or could it be a slice or cut from something? Is it only in one place on the tire or are they (cracks) all around the diameter? If the crack was in one place, did the tire sit for any length of time while the air pressure was low? For example, if you put the bike up for the winter, when breaking it out in the spring was a (or both) tires fairly low on air? If so, that might have caused a fold that causes the tire to crack.
Just thinking out loud here. The only tires I have seen do this were left for some time quite low on air- yard equipment tires for example tend to do this as they are left all winter and then in the spring, the tire is cracked or checked but we usually do not notice it so we will it up and go.
Brian
hey guys
before taking the bike for a ride yesterday, I noticed this
(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l440/speed545/004_zps7465796f.jpg)
This is a Avon Storm Ultra tire, 3 years old and with 10000 mi on it. It s due but did not expect this
I keep tire pressure at 42-44, do not overload the bike and ride 2 up 50% of the time
Any idea
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I kinda agree on the low pressure storage reasoning, but only if it was flat..
The most damaging tire deterioration occurs when tires are stored near heat and electric motors, if you stored it in a garage next to a furnace or heatpump motor, the ozone will rot them fast.
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107th reason I'll stick with Michelins ;D
(http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/thumbs-up-michelin.jpg)
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Any angered girlfriends?
Lol...
I had a 3 month old PR2 rear last year that cracked badly in every sipe groove.
Sent it back and got credit.
I was looking closely at the one that I replaced it with yesterday and noticed it's starting to do the same thing. I have 9k miles on this one.
I have heard recently that motorcycle tire technology is several years behind car tire tech.
Beginning to believe it's true.
Sure can't tell, based on price these days!
On mine, it sits under cover, on my front porch...no direct sunlight, no heat sources.. No reason I can see.
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The most damaging tire deterioration occurs when tires are stored near heat and electric motors, if you stored it in a garage next to a furnace or heatpump motor, the ozone will rot them fast.
Ozone absolutely destroys rubber, and amazingly quickly too.
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I only had Avon's on my C14 for 6 months but had Avon Venom and Cobra's on my Valkyrie for years. Once bought some older venom's that were stored for a couple of years, then ran them on my Valk for at least a year. Never saw a problem like this.
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got a response from Avon. They re willing to apply warranty on the tire even if it s a 3 years tire. I already have an appointment for a PR3 installation at the same shop who sold me the Avonj. I ll see
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Good job on getting the manufacturer to warranty a worn out 10,000 mile tire.
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Good job on getting the manufacturer to warranty a worn out 10,000 mile tire.
;D :chugbeer:
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Internet search for Avon Storm delamination:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=avon%20storm%20delamination (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=avon%20storm%20delamination)
It's a real problem. Photos and related posts on the linked thread on ADVrider.com
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Read a bit of the adv post. This guy was a slow learner. Not just one, or two, but three times with the same pos tire?
Hope he went out and bought a lotto ticket.
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Internet search for Avon Storm delamination:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=avon%20storm%20delamination (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=avon%20storm%20delamination)
It's a real problem. Photos and related posts on the linked thread on ADVrider.com
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Not good. >:(
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107th reason I'll stick with Michelins ;D
(http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/thumbs-up-michelin.jpg)
^^^^^that
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Not good. >:(
+1 I used to be a fan of Avon. After seeing that, give me Michelin or give me beer. :chugbeer:
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give me Michelin or give me beer. :chugbeer:
give me both... ;) ;D :chugbeer:
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+1!
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well
got the PR3 on. Talk to the shop about the warranty on a worn out tire He s surprised. Told me he ll see what he can do. Don't have much hope.
any way, I have a set of PR3 on and ready to go
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Talk to the shop about the warranty on a worn out tire He s surprised. Told me he ll see what he can do. Don't have much hope.
How much could you really expect from Avon in that the tire did not actually fail and has 10K in miles?
Which for the heavyweight powerhouse that the C14 is that is quite good in the mileage department...
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How much could you really expect from Avon in that the tire did not actually fail and has 10K in miles?
Which for the heavyweight svelte powerhouse that the C14 is that is quite good in the mileage department...
FIFY... ;)
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FIFY... ;)
Got them blinders on eh?
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How much could you really expect from Avon in that the tire did not actually fail and has 10K in miles?
Which for the heavyweight powerhouse that the C14 is that is quite good in the mileage department...
She's just big boned is all. ;)
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http://youtu.be/jX_xgoo4IBM (http://youtu.be/jX_xgoo4IBM)
http://youtu.be/bXvqYYJSv3I (http://youtu.be/bXvqYYJSv3I)
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Got them blinders on eh?
At all times..
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Why my tires have never had issue:
(http://www.kawasaki-cp.khi.co.jp/technology/chassis/images/KIPASS/08ZG1400A_CG_KIPASS.jpg)