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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: stevewfl on May 06, 2013, 07:56:00 AM
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All my rotors, front are worn scary :censored: thin, backs are sorta ok but deep grooves in spots. 73,000 miles.
Which ones do I go with? OEM?
Or EBC "pro-lites", or is there something better?
You guys run aftermarkets with stock pads?
My track bikes were EBS rotors and HH pads, but my pads on the bike are in great shape wondering if its ok to slap 'em on new rotors
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If the rotors are that badly worn I would not 'slap' the used pads on new rotors no matter how good they looked. You probably could get by with it but the results may be unpredictable. It's your :censored: , not mine, though. As far as rotors go, you've had good luck with the OEM, you may just want to stick with them or you could go aftermarket. If you go EBC, you'll need to replace the pads anyway as they won't warranty the rotors if you use other than their pads. I run EBC front rotors with EBC pads.
There has been some discussion on rotor warping issues on the '12 bikes. This might imply that there could be some bad stock out there and that you may not want to use Kwak rotors, at least for now. I'd go with the EBC in your position.
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As this is what I know do the EBCs. I wanna say they have only been to the track twice, the second hardly counts as it was a wet track day, but they did work nicely in the wet. No fade or loss of feel, unlike the CL pads and a feel consistant feel, unlike the OEM pads. Not that yu should ever experience these on the street but I am using a WOT, redline 4th, with a rapid decel for a 90 degree right hander for comparison. The CLs were downright spooky, never again. I only have 14000 on the rotors to date but no signs of warpage and the pads are wearing better.
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Thanks guys I'm ordering.
What are CL pads?
I'm having a tough time getting a part # for the rear EBC rotor, can you help? Or are they same as a ZX14?
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Thanks guys I'm ordering.
What are CL pads?
I'm having a tough time getting a part # for the rear EBC rotor, can you help? Or are they same as a ZX14?
Still on the stock rear which is odd as during the commute days I used her heavily. I see the rear going another 50k. The CLs are the Carbonne Loraines. Wooden feel for at least 1000 miles and OMG fade, like some gremlin slathered vaseline on the rotors at 120 :o Yes, they were HH rated pads and no, I wouldnt mount them on a Trail 90 :P But I would use them on a black bike ;D ;D ;D
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Awesome - My rear is thin as all ^%$# too, I can't find a replacement. Fronts are in dire straights, I'll go ahead and order the rotors, pads, and did they come with the inner gasket or can I expect mine to be reusable?
Thanks!
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The shim was good to go. The pads take about 150 to set in for nice street use and about 300 before they are at max feel. I may take a peak at the pads today, they have 14000 on them so it is time to check em out :) Regardless, i will be replacing them if needed with the EBCs.
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Galfer all the way, EBC would personally be my 2nd choice.
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Galfer all the way, EBC would personally be my 2nd choice.
I had the Galfers, good pads for sure, but in the rain I lost some feel and in the PNW thats part of life :) I only had them on for one trip to the track, no fade, great feel, and consistant. I never tried the new OEMs, never felt the need so no opinion on them.
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I don't prefer galfer rotors/pads over EBC, nor will I take galfer brake lines over speigler or goodrich high end lines
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All my rotors, front are worn scary :censored:
It's your :censored: , not mine, though
My opinion is :censored: the %$**!*! :censored: :censored: and :censored: the !!$#@$$!# with :censored:
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:rotflmao:
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I truly can't find a rear C14 EBC rotor
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http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=5286.msg61470#msg61470 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=5286.msg61470#msg61470)
These are performing just fine.
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I truly can't find a rear C14 EBC rotor
You ain't looked hard enough....
www.murphskits.com (http://www.murphskits.com) has them.
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http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=433 (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=433)
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Came across a place named MC motoparts on E-bay that have a lot of stuff. They've got rotors for the C14 at $200 for both fronts
Pete
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http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=433 (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=433)
Geez, don't make it so easy for him.. ;)
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Steve, did you mic your rotors? How thin are they? At 100,800 miles my fronts are probably under the limit 4.5 mm limit.
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thanks for the murphs link guys i don't know why i didn;t check there.
I didn't measure the rotors thinness but its amazing how thin they are with some huge grooves to boot. Guess I'll measure them noisy biatches.
Regardless, they're going on a 1200 mile trip this upcoming weekend..... mother's day in columbia and seafood in charleston sc :D
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thanks for the murphs link guys i don't know why i didn;t check there.
I didn't measure the rotors thinness but its amazing how thin they are with some huge grooves to boot. Guess I'll measure them noisy biatches.
Regardless, they're going on a 1200 mile trip this upcoming weekend..... mother's day in columbia and seafood in charleston sc :D
I measured mine several thousand miles back and they were right at the service limit. However I have not noticed any issues with the brakes yet. But I suspect when the current pads start to get thin it could be trouble.
Have a good ride to SC and back!
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I measured mine several thousand miles back and they were right at the service limit. However I have not noticed any issues with the brakes yet. But I suspect when the current pads start to get thin it could be trouble.
Have a good ride to SC and back!
Thanks!
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I rode my front OEM rotors down to 4.1mm (minimum recommended is 4.5mm).
Have replaced with Asashi ones from China.
Cheap, good looking and work just as well as the OEMs. $230 delivered for a PAIR of front rotors.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-Kawasaki-ZX-10R-ZX-10R-ABS-GTR-ZZR-1400-ZZR-ABS-1400-BLK-/110900636680?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19d2316c08&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-Kawasaki-ZX-10R-ZX-10R-ABS-GTR-ZZR-1400-ZZR-ABS-1400-BLK-/110900636680?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19d2316c08&vxp=mtr)
Rear rotor here but only 6mm thick @ $67 delivered. How thick is the OEM rotor? On the C10 it's 8mm.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rear-Brake-Disc-Rotor-Kawasaki-Z750-Z1000-GTR-ZZR-1400-/290768019745?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43b31fe121&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rear-Brake-Disc-Rotor-Kawasaki-Z750-Z1000-GTR-ZZR-1400-/290768019745?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43b31fe121&vxp=mtr)
Or if you want the RollsRoyce of braking,.... and have lots of money,....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-GTR-1400-2007-2009-Brembo-Replacement-Upgrade-Front-Brake-Disc-/230971951809?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item35c7004ac1 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-GTR-1400-2007-2009-Brembo-Replacement-Upgrade-Front-Brake-Disc-/230971951809?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item35c7004ac1)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KAWASAKI-GTR-1400-BREMBO-SC-BRAKE-PADS-ROAD-TRACK-/230974875709?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item35c72ce83d (http://www.ebay.com/itm/KAWASAKI-GTR-1400-BREMBO-SC-BRAKE-PADS-ROAD-TRACK-/230974875709?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item35c72ce83d)
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Those Chinese wave rotors look GREAT..... and OMG @ the Brembo's (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif) (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/stevewfl/media/bigthumb.gif.html)
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I rode my front OEM rotors down to 4.1mm (minimum recommended is 4.5mm).
Wow you told me that and I went and checked mine.
Right, 3.97 mm
Left, 3.91 mm
And I have a trip to the Carolinas yet on these thin rotors (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/eek.gif) (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/stevewfl/media/avatars/eek.gif.html)(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/eek.gif) (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/stevewfl/media/avatars/eek.gif.html)(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/eek.gif) (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/stevewfl/media/avatars/eek.gif.html)
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Don't use the brakes and you'll be fine...at least until you have to stop.
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Don't use the brakes and you'll be fine...at least until you have to stop.
yeah, I've been using the Flintstone method anyway with the 3.91 mm thin rotor going on ;D
(http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Brake-Specialist.jpg)
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These look kinda cool Steve...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BrakeTech-Front-Floating-Rotors-Kawasaki-ZX6R-ZX10R-ZX14-310mm-x-6mm-Axis-Iron-/271196606348?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f2493cf8c&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BrakeTech-Front-Floating-Rotors-Kawasaki-ZX6R-ZX10R-ZX14-310mm-x-6mm-Axis-Iron-/271196606348?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f2493cf8c&vxp=mtr)
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These look kinda cool Steve...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BrakeTech-Front-Floating-Rotors-Kawasaki-ZX6R-ZX10R-ZX14-310mm-x-6mm-Axis-Iron-/271196606348?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f2493cf8c&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BrakeTech-Front-Floating-Rotors-Kawasaki-ZX6R-ZX10R-ZX14-310mm-x-6mm-Axis-Iron-/271196606348?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f2493cf8c&vxp=mtr)
Does this mean we can expect a ride report on these from you? And will you get these for both sets of alternative wheels?? :)
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Does this mean we can expect a ride report on these from you? And will you get these for both sets of alternative wheels?? :)
;D ;D ;D
Nope, probably not Chet, I came across those when I was looking for carbon fiber rotors... 8)
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;D ;D ;D
Nope, probably not Chet, I came across those when I was looking for carbon fiber rotors... 8)
Will your black (bet the title still say black ;)) bike go fast enough to make CF rotors work effectively? ;)
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Will your black (bet the title still say black ;)) bike go fast enough to make CF rotors work effectively? ;)
I heard a rumor carbon rotors work while parked at Starbucks and in bike night parking lots ;D
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I heard a rumor carbon rotors work while parked at Starbucks and in bike night parking lots ;D
I also heard rumor that they make a rear CF rotor for Harleys ;)
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I also heard rumor that they make a rear CF rotor for Harleys ;)
oh my how the tone of this conversation just took a turn (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol8.gif) (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/stevewfl/media/avatars/lol8.gif.html)
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http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=5286.msg61470#msg61470 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=5286.msg61470#msg61470)
These are performing just fine.
Yeah, that's probably what I will get when mine wear down too. It's crazy! I replaced the rotors on my vehicle for less than $100.00, yet it costs 5x as much to have them replaced on my bike.
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It can go even farther ;)
I am getting a Kevlar/CF bash plate custom made for the GS, need more clearance and less weight is always good on a DS bike. I am also going to endup pulling a front rotor for weight reasons. I wonder, if I went CF rotors front and back how much would I shave off? I'd also eliminate the front fender due to mud packing and sudden front lockups. Looks pretty badass as well.
How's that for an off topic turn? ;D AND still on topic of sorts ;)
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Both wheels off my bike, rotors removed, and brake pads are out of calipers.
New rotors/pads front and rear tomorrow 8)
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I thin you are doing the right thin..
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I thin you are doing the right thin..
hah!
I learned while removing the rotor bolts Kawasaki has no shortage on RED LOCKTIGHT!
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They're easier to loosen on the bike...
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They're easier to loosen on the bike...
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I cracked them while on the bike with a breaker bar. They were still a pain in the *ss, every turn was locktight. I almost called it quits to purchase an impact wrench for my compressor!
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I cracked them while on the bike with a breaker bar. They were still a pain in the *ss, every turn was locktight. I almost called it quits to purchase an impact wrench for my compressor!
Get three, one for the comp,. a heavey duty plugin model (I got the cheaper Kobal branded one from Lowes, works better than I ever dreamed), and get a rechargeable Porter Cable that takes the slip in bits, make sure you pickup the 1/4 and 3/8 in. adapters. Once you have the last two wrenches the first will be just like an old camera, cool to look at, but rarely, if ever used.
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Will your black (bet the title still say black ;)) bike go fast enough to make CF rotors work effectively? ;)
Carbon/carbon rotors are not safe for road use as they need to be seriously hot to work well.
They bite like a BEYOTCH (bruised nads!) and then apply progressively more braking even when ya don't move the lever any more.
MotoGP guys have to brake, then let off to maintain the same deceleration.
Carbon Ceramic rotors however are awesome.
A friend has some on his CBR1000RR and the stopping power and feel is amazing.
Stupid $$$$$ but he does a lot of track days on it.
I just checked with him and they are BrakeTech Series 2 CMC rotors with Ferodo Sintered pads.
He wouldn't tell me how much they cost. I guess if ya gotta ask then ya can't afford them. ::)
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I cracked them while on the bike with a breaker bar. They were still a pain in the *ss, every turn was locktight. I almost called it quits to purchase an impact wrench for my compressor!
Mine were not that bad actually. Didn't take that much force to loosen them on the bike. I did one side on the bike and the other off. Didn't have any issues at all. I guess it depends on which gorilla at the plant installed them. They have three you know. One can't tighten worth a hoot. One is just right. And the other uses an impact wrench.
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Mine were not that bad actually. Didn't take that much force to loosen them on the bike. I did one side on the bike and the other off. Didn't have any issues at all. I guess it depends on which gorilla at the plant installed them. They have three you know. One can't tighten worth a hoot. One is just right. And the other uses an impact wrench.
^^^ got that last clown, he used that wrench plus tried to use all the red locktight on the property. And he road a HARLEY to work (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/eek.gif) (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/stevewfl/media/avatars/eek.gif.html)
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I LOVE THE EBC ROTORS AND double-H PADS
^^^but thats like all the bikes i have ever swapped to EBC. Never intended to swap on the sport tourer until mine thinned though (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif) (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/stevewfl/media/bigthumb.gif.html)
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I found myself in the same boat as Steve, rotors are getting thin. Steve, I'm not sure how you got so many miles out of yours. I would expect living in Florida, you would be using the brakes all the time, dodging those old folks in their pink Cadillacs.
Anyway, found this deal on zero mile take off ZX14 rotors, of the newer 2011+ style : http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-07-08-09-10-11-Ninja-ZX-14-ZX14-OEM-Front-Brake-Rotor-Disc-2011-/271206146778?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f252562da&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-07-08-09-10-11-Ninja-ZX-14-ZX14-OEM-Front-Brake-Rotor-Disc-2011-/271206146778?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f252562da&vxp=mtr). These are the exact same part number as the C14 2011+ rotors, so are a direct replacement for anyone who might be looking. At the time of this posting, there were 20 available.
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Makes me wonder why anyone would remove the front rotors from 11 zero mile ZX14s.
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Makes me wonder why anyone would remove the front rotors from 11 zero mile ZX14s.
I was wondering that too. Maybe they're setting them up with GOLD carriers, after seeing pics of ZG's color threads. ;D
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http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/howto/doing_time/122_1306_2012_kawasaki_zx14r/ (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/howto/doing_time/122_1306_2012_kawasaki_zx14r/)
He doesn't like the brakes on the 1400. So someone else like this probably already did the overhaul.
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I was wondering that too. Maybe they're setting them up with GOLD carriers, after seeing pics of ZG's color threads. ;D
;D :thumbs:
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If mine go bad, I'm going with the rotors from the zx10. Same diameter, but they are 1mm thicker. Kawasaki uses the 5mm thick disc on the c14 and the zx's are 6mm thick. I think they migh be mor edurable.
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http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/howto/doing_time/122_1306_2012_kawasaki_zx14r/ (http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/howto/doing_time/122_1306_2012_kawasaki_zx14r/)
He doesn't like the brakes on the 1400. So someone else like this probably already did the overhaul.
The Ebay listing said they had sold 2 and had 20 left so I suspect something else.
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If mine go bad, I'm going with the rotors from the zx10. Same diameter, but they are 1mm thicker. Kawasaki uses the 5mm thick disc on the c14 and the zx's are 6mm thick. I think they migh be mor edurable.
That's good to know. Do they bolt right up?
I was wondering what the heck Kawi was thinking, making a 5mm thick rotor (4.8mm to 5.2mm), with a service limit of 4.5mm. Seriously, 0.5mm of allowable wear? That is ridiculous for a front brake rotor.
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If mine go bad, I'm going with the rotors from the zx10. Same diameter, but they are 1mm thicker. Kawasaki uses the 5mm thick disc on the c14 and the zx's are 6mm thick. I think they migh be mor edurable.
Will the pads in the calipers rub?
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That's good to know. Do they bolt right up?
I was wondering what the heck Kawi was thinking, making a 5mm thick rotor (4.8mm to 5.2mm), with a service limit of 4.5mm. Seriously, 0.5mm of allowable wear? That is ridiculous for a front brake rotor.
I have not ordered a set to confirm, btu bolt pattern and offset match. I KNOW they will, but I've never tried.
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Will the pads in the calipers rub?
Ask Fred 8)
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No, the pads will not rub. I proved that on my Ninja. My yz 250 fell on my Ninja. Jealousy, I suspect. The right front rotor was bent. I did straighten it, but ended up ordering zx6 rotors. Just like our situation here, the zx6 rotor was 1mm more thick. The zx6 rotors were 6mm, the oem Ninja 1000 were 5mm.
I spread the pads out when I removed the caliper. This makes it easier to slide the wheel back in. I pumped them back up, and there was no extra drag. The fluid level in the m/c was higher, but thats it. Just like the c14, the 4 pistons on each side are able to slide back into their bore an extra .5mm.
I'd imagine the zx14 rotors are the 6mm spec as well??? I'll have to take my micrometer over to the shop and check.
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No, the pads will not rub. I proved that on my Ninja. My yz 250 fell on my Ninja. Jealousy, I suspect. The right front rotor was bent. I did straighten it, but ended up ordering zx6 rotors. Just like our situation here, the zx6 rotor was 1mm more thick. The zx6 rotors were 6mm, the oem Ninja 1000 were 5mm.
I spread the pads out when I removed the caliper. This makes it easier to slide the wheel back in. I pumped them back up, and there was no extra drag. The fluid level in the m/c was higher, but thats it. Just like the c14, the 4 pistons on each side are able to slide back into their bore an extra .5mm.
I'd imagine the zx14 rotors are the 6mm spec as well??? I'll have to take my micrometer over to the shop and check.
C14 and ZX14 rotors are the exact same part number from Kawi.
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I have a set of ZX14 rotors which came with the ZX14 front wheel I bought on Ebay when I bent my C14 wheel. They were allegedly from a wrecked bike with low miles. I just miced them and get 4.85 mm and 4.87 mm.
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C14 and ZX14 rotors are the exact same part number from Kawi.
I was referring to the ZX10 rotors.
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I was referring to the ZX10 rotors.
Okay, but I wasn't answering your question... ???
Updated the post above for clarification. ;)