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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Mighty on June 02, 2011, 08:06:56 PM
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I have a whopping 250 miles on my 14 all with the power commander. Today I took the bike for a spin to my buddies about 10 miles away. Ran fine there but when I left she ran rough and died about a mile down the road. Ended up trailering it home. Once home she started and ran fine so I let her idle for about 10 minutes and she died again. I yanked out the power commander and she ran fine. Let her idle for quite a while with no issue. Took her for a spin and still no issue. The power commander was mounted up in the fairing and wasn't hot. Any idea's why it failed?
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Check the ground connection! That is usually the problem especially if you grounded it where the instructions said to (behind the coolant reservoir). I had to grind some metal down and used an additional washer on mine to make sure I had a good connection. If it does end up being a bad PCV I would be a little surprised but I am sure DynoJet will take care of you.
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Check the ground connection! That is usually the problem especially if you grounded it where the instructions said to (behind the coolant reservoir). I had to grind some metal down and used an additional washer on mine to make sure I had a good connection. If it does end up being a bad PCV I would be a little surprised but I am sure DynoJet will take care of you.
Ground bolt was tight on bright metal. I rode the bike 200 miles Saturday with zero issues. Why did it act up when the bike got hotter?? Riding the bike without it and the performance seems similar. I'm wondering if it's worth the reliability risk. I had a power commander fail on my cbr1100xx and it left me stranded on the side of the highway. A guy stopped and let me use his tools and I removed it and rode home. Left it off for good.
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It might need the map reinstalled. If not, give Dynojet a call and see about a refund or replacement.
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Going to call fuel moto in the morning
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I'd be willing to bet You still have a ground issue. Ground resistance builds as heat increases. Just because it is clean doesn't mean there's no ground problem. Ground the wire directly to the battery & to the chassis. Much less chance of ground resistance building up then. I connected 2 14 gauge wires to My PCV ground wire and did it. Checked My connections the other day after about a year of use. Still in good shape.
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Check the ground connection! That is usually the problem especially if you grounded it where the instructions said to (behind the coolant reservoir). I had to grind some metal down and used an additional washer on mine to make sure I had a good connection. If it does end up being a bad PCV I would be a little surprised but I am sure DynoJet will take care of you.
Dynojet recommends mounting the ground wire behind the coolent reservoir. If in front it may give you ground troubles. I personally like a better ground yet by running a wire to a better frame ground point.
Now with that said, my PC V on my 08 failed immediately when the bike warmed up, (a few miles) just as you are stating. Mine was not a ground, but a bad PC V from the factory. In my case, fuelmoto sent me another because it was brand new from them. Same ground and a new PC V unit and I never had a fuel problem again with my time with the bike!
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Dynojet recommends mounting the ground wire behind the coolent reservoir. If in front it may give you ground troubles. I personally like a better ground yet by running a wire to a better frame ground point.
Now with that said, my PC V on my 08 failed immediately when the bike warmed up, (a few miles) just as you are stating. Mine was not a ground, but a bad PC V from the factory. In my case, fuelmoto sent me another because it was brand new from them. Same ground and a new PC V unit and I never had a fuel problem again with my time with the bike!
I spoke with Fuel Moto and they believe it is a defective unit. With my record with fuel programmers now, I'm leary about installing another. I'm not sure the little improvement in performance is worth the potential of being stranded again.
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I spoke with Fuel Moto and they believe it is a defective unit. With my record with fuel programmers now, I'm leary about installing another. I'm not sure the little improvement in performance is worth the potential of being stranded again.
I have to admit that I carried the tools on my bike for quite a while, to make for a quicker unplug of the PC V (back to the OEM settings) in the case of another failure. But that was all for not! I never had trouble again! I did not want to ever have to push that monster uphill home again!!!!!!!!! :yikes:
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If I was not worried about warranty issues I would invest in the remapping of the ECU. Seems there are 2 alternatives and I have not seen any issues with either.
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I haven't had any trouble with my PC-V so far. I did a bike trip last week and rode in a wide range of weather conditions and altitudes, no problems. I used the recommended grounding point and made sure to put the ground wire between the block and the reservoir. If there are any problems with the PC-V itself or the ground, heat will definitely make it worse. One of the indications that an ignition module is going bad on an automotive engine is that the car runs fine until it gets warm, and then it dies and won't start again until it cools down. I'm sure once you get everything squared away, you'll get plenty of worry free miles out of you PC-V. And if you want to experience a more noticeable gain, do the flyectomy, high flow filter, and better exhaust. The PC will help make the most of those mods.
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I haven't had any trouble with my PC-V so far. I did a bike trip last week and rode in a wide range of weather conditions and altitudes, no problems. I used the recommended grounding point and made sure to put the ground wire between the block and the reservoir. If there are any problems with the PC-V itself or the ground, heat will definitely make it worse. One of the indications that an ignition module is going bad on an automotive engine is that the car runs fine until it gets warm, and then it dies and won't start again until it cools down. I'm sure once you get everything squared away, you'll get plenty of worry free miles out of you PC-V. And if you want to experience a more noticeable gain, do the flyectomy, high flow filter, and better exhaust. The PC will help make the most of those mods.
My flies are gone and I have a BMC filter
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I spoke with Fuel Moto and they believe it is a defective unit. With my record with fuel programmers now, I'm leary about installing another. I'm not sure the little improvement in performance is worth the potential of being stranded again.
Customer Service at it's best. Gotta love a company that is willing to work with a customer to solve any issues
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Customer Service at it's best. Gotta love a company that is willing to work with a customer to solve any issues
Not too sure about their customer service. I called today to see if they recieved it and was told they have no way to test it and are sending it to dynotek for testing. Too bad they didn't say that originally and I could have saved time and sent it directly to dynotek myself. I guess a dead bike isn't good enough for them to replace it :-\
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I talked to fuel moto 2 times about my c14 shutting down. They told me to check the ground. I did and found the one I had it connected to wasnt very good.
My father and I re-grounded it and that was that. Until this spring it happend again. I contacted fuel moto again and they are very reluctant to replace the unit. Told me to go direct with dynojet to see if they could figure out what was going on.
A call to dynojet brought me to yet the same diagnosis. Check the ground. The ground seemed ok, but dynojet told me to go directly to the ground on the battery.
I ran a line to the negative battery terminal and bonded the ground of the PC-V to the new ground. So far I havent had any issues.
Good luck!
Dade22
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My flies are gone and I have a BMC filter
And you don't feel like the PC made a noticeable difference?
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And you don't feel like the PC made a noticeable difference?
No, that's why I'm wondering if the PC was messed up even when it was working.
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the fueling on my 09 is perfect .Dont know why anyone would want to alter it with PC.
Is it just so you can run the noisemaker exhaust ? If so that is some expensive noise.
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No, that's why I'm wondering if the PC was messed up even when it was working.
ive had PC on several bikes .Didnt do much IMO .
I dont buy them anymore.
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Anyone have any dyno results with all the mods (Full Area P, BMC, flyectomy) with no PC-V, and then with PC-V ? My guess is the results would be very different, cause you can alter the map.
Not only the torque / hp numbers, but the driveability of the bike should be markedly better - is my guess.
Barry
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the fueling on my 09 is perfect .Dont know why anyone would want to alter it with PC.
Is it just so you can run the noisemaker exhaust ? If so that is some expensive noise.
Because with the flies pulled, the motor actually has some low end power! Plus with the fuelmoto economy mapping. My fuel mileage went up along with the better low end power!
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Customer Service at it's best. Gotta love a company that is willing to work with a customer to solve any issues
I beg to differ. It's June 28 and still no word from them. I have called about 4 times and they simply tell me that it was shipped back to the manufacturer because they couldn't test it. Let's see, michigan has 5 months of good riding and they have had mine for almost a month now..........I highly doubt I will put it back in should I ever get it or a replacemnt one back. Last weekend I logged over 1,000 miles and averaged 44 MPG's riding about 80. That is fantastic mileage for that speed. The few miles I put on the bike with the PC, she averaged under 40. True, it was cooler and the engine was tighter. And the bike runs really strong :)
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Update: I called Fuel moto yet again and they said they would call the manufacturer and call me back. Got a call back several hours later saying that dynojet couldn't find anything wrong but were sending me a new one anyways.........Nothing wrong but sending a new one? Somethings fishy........Anyone want to buy it from me? It will be brand new and supposidly loaded with Jamies map for a bike with no flies, better flowing filter and slip-on.
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How much you looking to get for it?
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about 6hp gain over stock, with a motor this big, I'll like stock. A deeper stock sound would be greatly appreciated.
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How much you looking to get for it?
A tech called from dynojet tonight (that's where the customer service really is) to let me know their intentions. He was confused why Fuel Moto had me send it to them in the first place knowing they couldn't troubleshoot it saying they should have had me sent it to him instead. He did say they could not find any issues what so ever but did say because mine failed for no apparent reason they were sending a replacement 2 day express siting a possible electronic gremlin. He also said I should see an improvment in fuel economy. He looked at Jamies map and saw where he actually did remove fuel across the board. He highly suggested I give it a try assuring I would be pleased and it would be reliable. Based on his conversation I am going to give it a shot.
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I don't blame you, let us know how their map performs
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Finally got my new replacement direct from dynojet today and I have to say it made a difference over stock. The original must have been defective, it pulls really hard 8)
I grounded it directly to the battery just to play it safe.