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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Clark Kent on August 04, 2012, 04:38:27 PM

Title: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Clark Kent on August 04, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
OK,  I found a 2008 C1400 with 1400 miles on it.  Owner says he bought it new last year (2011) and didn't like it.  He and his friend bought two.  His friend is keeping his as he like it.  This guy is not.

The bike look like new.  It has 1400 miles on it.  STOCK.  Not a thing added.  Silver.  Never down.

What is it worth and were there any problems with the 08 that I should know about .  It has ABS. 

Any ticking engines, excessive engine heat, etc.  And my feet do hit the ground!  Well most (enough) of my feet. 

Any advice you can give me will be greatly appreciated.  CK
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Jeremy Mitchell on August 04, 2012, 04:46:51 PM
$7,500-$8,000 tops.

The 2008 is gonna be warmer on the legs and feet than the 2010+ but for the money only you can decide if several thousand dollars is worth having a warmer bike.  I have a 2008 and don't really have a problem with the heat, it is there but not that bad.

The motors are nearly bulletproof, plus you should still have two years of factory warranty and the ability to extend for up to six more.  If the price is right and you like it, you should pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: ZG on August 04, 2012, 10:04:26 PM
1400 miles, original owner, ABS, and mint condition I'd say if you can get it for $9k do it and feel good about it.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Bosco on August 05, 2012, 04:20:12 AM
Just to give you a reference point, I bought my 09 ABS in January for 9200. It had about 2000 miles on it and about 2K of farkles.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: W14 on August 05, 2012, 05:14:23 AM
I have a 09 and love it but I would not pay more than Blue Book or NADA suggested prices for a 08 - something in the range J Mitchell suggested. Farkles are a cost the seller has to absorb.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Necron99 on August 05, 2012, 05:55:13 AM
HUH?  Since when?  If I farkle up a bike, I have options.  I can leave them on and use them as a sales tool with a buyer.  I can take them off and sell them individually.  I can do as you suggest and take it in the shorts.  I believe the third option is the worst.  I've sold bikes with farkles before, and when the buyer tried to get the bike for striaight book, I merely said, "ok, sure, I can take that seat off and put on a stock seat."  They usually changed their tune.  Or else they said, "Terrific, I'd rather have the stock seat."  Or whatever it was.  Things have value.  Maybe not to a SPECIFIC buyer, but as a seller you either have enough money that you don't care, or you're a fool if you just let it go and don't try to get something out of it when you sell.  Just saying.

Farkles are a cost the seller has to absorb.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: fmwhit on August 05, 2012, 06:46:15 AM
$8000 is the most that I would pay, but I am thinking closer to $7000 or less, espescially this late in the season. Find out when his factory warrenty runs out and buy the extended because you will need it.  The TPMS units will be going out for sure as they are battery powered and the batteries are already 5 yrs old, and the batteries are not really made to be replaced.

good luck,
fred
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: fmwhit on August 05, 2012, 06:50:44 AM
There was a fellow who recently sold a 2011 for $9300 down in the For Sale section that was pretty well farkled.  The bike had abt 3k miles on it.  So let that be your guide. 
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Rhino on August 05, 2012, 10:56:25 AM
08 with only 1400 miles on it? How long has it sat? If it had carbs I would be worried about varnish in the floats and jets. Not sure how sitting for a long time effects throttle bodies. Could you really buy a new 08 in 2011? Did it sit un-assembled in the crate or was it assembled in 08 and just sat in the show room for 3 years? Those would be my questions.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on August 05, 2012, 01:25:15 PM
 :popcorn:
2008 bikes are the fastest, and most reliable ones out there..... ;)
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Pokey on August 05, 2012, 03:38:31 PM
Wow that is one helluva old new leftover 08. :o  I would say $7500 tops, if the guy really wants to sell it he will probably agree to that.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: CRocker on August 05, 2012, 07:20:44 PM
There is a 2008 on the Denver CL for $6950...19k miles...but, some extras...just as a comparison...
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: ZG on August 05, 2012, 08:03:16 PM
There is a 2008 on the Denver CL for $6950...19k miles...but, some extras...just as a comparison...

19k miles vs 1400 miles, not really a good comparison IMO...
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: CRocker on August 05, 2012, 08:10:12 PM

19k miles vs 1400 miles, not really a good comparison IMO...

I think it might depend on the price of the one he's looking at...Are they worn out at 19k?
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: ZG on August 05, 2012, 09:21:16 PM
I think it might depend on the price of the one he's looking at...Are they worn out at 19k?

True and good point, he didn't mention the asking price of the 1400 mile one.
 
At 19k miles it is definatley not worn out, far from it, but I'd pay an extra grand for a bike with only 1400 miles on it vs 19k miles, but I am crazy...  :)
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: CRocker on August 05, 2012, 09:39:47 PM

True and good point, he didn't mention the asking price of the 1400 mile one.
 
At 19k miles it is definatley not worn out, far from it, but I'd pay an extra grand for a bike with only 1400 miles on it vs 19k miles, but I am crazy...  :)

I think the 19k mile bike has about a grand in extras...might be a wash...
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: texrider on August 05, 2012, 09:54:43 PM
OK,  I found a 2008 C1400 with 1400 miles on it.  Owner says he bought it new last year (2011) and didn't like it.  He and his friend bought two.  His friend is keeping his as he like it.  This guy is not.

The bike look like new.  It has 1400 miles on it.  STOCK.  Not a thing added.  Silver.  Never down.

What is it worth and were there any problems with the 08 that I should know about .  It has ABS. 

Any ticking engines, excessive engine heat, etc.  And my feet do hit the ground!  Well most (enough) of my feet. 

Any advice you can give me will be greatly appreciated.  CK

Tell us what the asking is, and you'll get a lot of what we think.

On the other hand, pay what you're comfortable with, and just ride.  8)
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: ZG on August 05, 2012, 10:34:50 PM
I think the 19k mile bike has about a grand in extras...might be a wash...

A grand in extra's really isn't all that much... Anything of substance? (ie Corbin, full exhaust, etc?)
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: CRocker on August 05, 2012, 10:54:59 PM

A grand in extra's really isn't all that much... Anything of substance? (ie Corbin, full exhaust, etc?)

Here's what the seller says:

"2008 Kawasaki Concours C-14 - $6950 (Denver)
Date: 2012-07-21, 3:46AM MDT
Reply to: 46f3b-3153311056@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
2008 Kawasaki Concours C-14 ABS

19,000 miles even. Neutron silver. Never been down. Always garaged.

Options include:
• Rick Meyer custom seat. If you've never had a custom saddle, you're in for a real treat. Adds much enjoyment to longer rides
• Peg lowering kit
• Handlebar risers, 2"
• RAM GPS mount
• Grip Puppies
• Frame sliders
• New rear tire, front tire half tread left, but includes new front (below)
• Cee Bailey hard bag cloth-liners
• Spare Michelin Pilot front tire
• grip warmer kit--not installed
• bike cover
• front wheel stand


NADA average resale value on this bike is $10,455.00. That doesn't include the more than $1000 in upgrades above. $6,950.00 cash or cashier's check."






Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: ZG on August 05, 2012, 11:04:59 PM
Here's what the seller says:

"2008 Kawasaki Concours C-14 - $6950 (Denver)
Date: 2012-07-21, 3:46AM MDT
Reply to: 46f3b-3153311056@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
2008 Kawasaki Concours C-14 ABS

19,000 miles even. Neutron silver. Never been down. Always garaged.

Options include:
• Rick Meyer custom seat. If you've never had a custom saddle, you're in for a real treat. Adds much enjoyment to longer rides
• Peg lowering kit
• Handlebar risers, 2"
• RAM GPS mount
• Grip Puppies
• Frame sliders
• New rear tire, front tire half tread left, but includes new front (below)
• Cee Bailey hard bag cloth-liners
• Spare Michelin Pilot front tire
• grip warmer kit--not installed
• bike cover
• front wheel stand


NADA average resale value on this bike is $10,455.00. That doesn't include the more than $1000 in upgrades above. $6,950.00 cash or cashier's check."

Sounds like a good deal indeed at that price, but he's high if he thinks average resale is $10.5 for that bike...  :nuts:
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: CRocker on August 05, 2012, 11:16:34 PM

Sounds like a good deal indeed at that price, but he's high if he thinks average resale is $10.5 for that bike...  :nuts:

Agreed...
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: W14 on August 06, 2012, 04:42:05 AM
$6950 sounds like a good price...the NADA price I get is $8730 and that is the dealer selling price not the price of a private sale
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: jjsC6 on August 06, 2012, 07:24:50 AM
For what it's worth (not much), I get a different number on NADA ($9760).  I'm not used to using NADA, I do use KBB for cars occasionally.  One mistake is adding "options" that are actually standard.  The way KBB works, if something is standard you don't add it as an option.   Their templates are somewhat generic so they show a bunch of stuff as options for all vehicles even though they may be standard equipment.

http://www.nadaguides.com/Motorcycles/2008/Kawasaki/ZG1400A8F-CONCOURS-14ABS-1352cc/Standard-Equipment (http://www.nadaguides.com/Motorcycles/2008/Kawasaki/ZG1400A8F-CONCOURS-14ABS-1352cc/Standard-Equipment) 

No doubt that their numbers make no sense though.  I looked up my Goldwing the other day.  It shows my 2009 Goldwing average retail as over $22,000.  Hell, you can buy a brand new one for pretty close to that - a three year old bike certainly isn't worth that.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: 556ALPHA on August 06, 2012, 12:01:10 PM
seems very reasonable!
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: YtseJam on August 06, 2012, 03:31:02 PM
Kinda in the same boat...a 2008 with heated Corbin Seat with Backrest, Two Brothers Exhaust, PCIII, Windscreen, 30K miles with a year and a half left on a factory warranty....$8200. Good luck!
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Cheesecake on August 06, 2012, 03:59:28 PM
Price sounds good for what you are getting. Find out if the previous owner was a poster on this site if you can--and then read all his posts to see any issues he had. And look for any scratches and damage from dropping the bike, these fall over easily and many are busted up; they can actually be TOTALLED by letting them fall over on the side. Reduce value by price of plastic damaged. And look closely at the nuts and bolts, if you see ANY rust from parking outdoors,  or deformation from hamfisting, that's a deduction.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Gumby on August 06, 2012, 05:21:16 PM
but I am crazy...  :)

True dat!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Clark Kent on August 06, 2012, 06:36:05 PM

19k miles vs 1400 miles, not really a good comparison IMO...

Actually I'd rather have one with 35K to 50K on it but well farkled.  But this one is in my neighborhood so I don't have to go  on a fly/ride trip.l
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Clark Kent on August 06, 2012, 06:38:09 PM
Wow that is one helluva old new leftover 08. :o  I would say $7500 tops, if the guy really wants to sell it he will probably agree to that.

One problem is 7.5K turns into 6.75K when it's on consignment and it is. 

I may offer 7.5K and see what happens.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Clark Kent on August 06, 2012, 06:39:43 PM

True and good point, he didn't mention the asking price of the 1400 mile one. $8800.
 
At 19k miles it is definatley not worn out, far from it, but I'd pay an extra grand for a bike with only 1400 miles on it vs 19k miles, but I am crazy...  :)

$8,800

Keep talking.  Also where is that one in Denver.  I'd look at it too.  I can ride back for Denver in one day.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: gPink on August 06, 2012, 06:48:24 PM
Clark, keep in mind if you get one of these things that you ain't Superman and be careful.  ;)
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: CRocker on August 06, 2012, 07:10:46 PM
$8,800

Keep talking.  Also where is that one in Denver.  I'd look at it too.  I can ride back for Denver in one day.

http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/3153311056.html (http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/3153311056.html)
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: gPink on August 06, 2012, 07:22:12 PM
http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/3153311056.html (http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/3153311056.html)
That sounds familiar.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: ZG on August 06, 2012, 07:30:33 PM
Actually I'd rather have one with 35K to 50K on it but well farkled. 

 
I always go for lower miles on bikes or cars when buying, it's the one thing you can't undo (legally at least)...  :-\
 
Happy hunting CK, I hope you get it bro!  :chugbeer:
 
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Son of Pappy on August 07, 2012, 07:38:06 AM
CK, quit contemplating, just buy the thing!!  Room for your cape and Louis's things in the bags.  No more back pack trips :)
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: gPink on August 07, 2012, 08:37:13 AM
Louis? I didn't know Superman was ....not that it matters.
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Son of Pappy on August 07, 2012, 08:48:21 AM
Louis? I didn't know Superman was ....not that it matters.
Have you seen that outfit?  Sold in fine 'Frisco stores everywhere ;)
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Scaffolder on August 07, 2012, 07:12:10 PM
What is a backpack?
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Clark Kent on August 08, 2012, 08:43:09 AM
Clark, keep in mind if you get one of these things that you ain't Superman and be careful.  ;)

Not to worry.  It would be a bit slower and heaver than the ZX 1100 I had several years ago. 

And remember my frist ride!  (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/ck409/rocket.jpg) 

It was, and still is the fastest thing on this planet!
Title: Re: Found a 1400C for sale. Now need your advice-please
Post by: Clark Kent on August 08, 2012, 09:01:34 AM
What is a backpack?





Superman don't need no stinking back pack!  Superman Flight Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7M98F_HZJQ#ws)