Side case (Pannier) Security

[Highett]

Do you leave valuables in your locked panniers on long trips away.

Well think twice,

I recently had to change one of my locks to keep them keyed alike, here what I found out during the process.

Here's a photo of the tools and lock tumbler.



Click on the Picture to view the video:



Cheers

Paul

[Rick Hall]

You have got to be kidding! 

But then the C-10 panniers can be opened with an "A" key, a "B" key, or a bent paper clip :-/

Rick

[Conrad]

Holy crap!     

Paul, do you have any recommendations to fix this issue?

[Scaffolder]

Maybe some C-4 explosives. This bike will self destruct in 1 second. lol

[maxtog]

Most any lock can be picked if you have the tools and skill (some with little of either).  Locks are just a deterrent, nothing more.

If you have higher valuables in the bag, and are leaving it unattended for a long time (like visiting someone or at a hotel) then just take the bag with you, or think twice about leaving something like your wallet in there.

[VirginiaJim]

Lovely, just  lovely.   This doesn't surprise me but someone would have to have some knowledge of locks and how they work to remove the cases and would have to have the wherewithal to do it.  This is sad but doesn't worry me much.  There has to be a way to remove the lock cylinders and I guess this is it.    shame the video is being broadcast.  Not really pleased about that  at all especially since it was unsolicited.

[twowheeladdict]

Locks only keep honest people honest.  They reduce the crime of opportunity.  I can open any spring loaded padlock in 10 seconds.  The only padlocks that are worth having are the ones that the key remains in the lock when you open it.

[Gumby]

Most any lock can be picked if you have the tools and skill (some with little of either).  Locks are just a deterrent, nothing more.

I finally agree with Max.
If somebody wants to take something or be destructive they will. The internet has now made it easier with people posting instructions on how-to.

Now back to the launcher Max..... Lose it 

[Conrad]

I finally agree with Max.
If somebody wants to take something or be destructive they will. The internet has now made it easier with people posting instructions on how-to.

Now back to the launcher Max..... Lose it 

At least Max will never have to worry about someone wanting to take his stock MUFFLER.   

[booger]

If they want it, they will break in.  And you will not stop them.
I just hope they pick the lock without tearing up my expensive to replace bags.

Same with my auto's.  Don't break the glass.  Please pick the lock.  My wife's Rubicon was broken it to last year.  Between breaking the glass and attempting to pry the Navigation system out of the dashboard the pricks did $4800 dollars worth of damage to the car.

[Gumby]

At least Max will never have to worry about someone wanting to take his stock MUFFLER.   

Me neither, it's in my attic. 

[katata1100]

What exactly would you travel with that would be of value? On every road trip I have taken, the only item worth over $20 I took was my Iphone and my camera and those two things are always with me.
The only thing that is always in a locked saddle bag is a $30 tubeless tire repair kit, which I suppose, given the right conditions, could be priceless.

[Highett]

Holy crap!     

Paul, do you have any recommendations to fix this issue?

I have an idea,

It can not be secured from the bottom as it needs to turn so pining the retainer won't work.

The handle assembly comes apart very easily once it is removed from the case, I am thinking a small metal cover on the top of the lock cylinder, something thin and pressed in the middle to fit over the raised section with the hole being small enough to prevent the lock cylinder from coming out, some glue and small security screws to fastened it into position.

To get the lock cylinder out would require a key to unlock the case, remove the handle assembly and take off the cover then remove the lock cylinder.

Of course it is still in the idea stage, but I think it will work.

Cheers

Paul

[C1xRider]

Do you leave valuables in your locked panniers on long trips away.

Well think twice,

I recently had to change one of my locks to keep them keyed alike, here what I found out during the process.

Here's a photo of the tools and lock tumbler.



Click on the Picture to view the video:



Cheers

Paul

Wow, that is very disappointing.  I had to try this myself, just to see if it was as easy as the video shows, and it is.  Making a tool isn't even a challenge, since mine was the metal cross bar from a hanging file folder, trimmed down (quickly)  with a pair of tin snips.  Took all of 30 seconds to make the tool.

Looking at the innards of the lock (housing), it's not even a real lock.  Just a plastic housing with a slot for the tumblers to rest in when locked.  The cylinder itself does not use a lock retainer that pushes out the back side when compressed to remove the cylinder, as a real lock would have (requiring the lock be in the "unlocked" position to remove the cylinder).

Given the cheap plastic housing, and lack of a decent retaining pin, there's not much one can do to make it more secure from the lock mechanism side.  Some form of externally added protection would be the only way to enhance the security.

They might as well have just used the old C10 "A" and "B" keys.  I guess this way, at least they offer the illusion of security. 

[gPink]

Maybe it's time to repost that vid of the guy walking up behind a c14, grabbing the bag and with the proper application of upwards force, removed the bag. We can now remove, open and sell bags with no keys on ebay.

[katata1100]

Maybe it's time to repost that vid of the guy walking up behind a c14, grabbing the bag and with the proper application of upwards force, removed the bag. We can now remove, open and sell bags with no keys on ebay.

My wife had an '89 Hyundai Excel, the easiest, fastest car to break in the world. All  you had to do was put your hand on top of the door frame, pull it towards you until there was enough space to slip your hand inside and unlock it.
This technique didn't break anything, made no noise and took maybe 30 seconds tops. It was used the last time her car got broken into and I am not worried about posting about it as all the Hyundai Excels ever made are now off the road and in wrecking yards or have been melted down and reincarnated as nails and chinese made filing cabinets

[twowheeladdict]

My wife had an '89 Hyundai Excel, the easiest, fastest car to break in the world. All  you had to do was put your hand on top of the door frame, pull it towards you until there was enough space to slip your hand inside and unlock it.
This technique didn't break anything, made no noise and took maybe 30 seconds tops. It was used the last time her car got broken into and I am not worried about posting about it as all the Hyundai Excels ever made are now off the road and in wrecking yards or have been melted down and reincarnated as nails and chinese made filing cabinets

Put 120,000 miles on an 87 Hyundai Excel.  It was a great car in FL.  Not so great in the hills of TN.  Cost 75% of a corolla or civic.  But yes, the metal was thin.

[Jim M.]

I watched the video and all I kept thinking was....hey, that bike is green! I like it.

[Rhino]

I had a spare key made that I epoxyed into a radio knob. That stays in my right case 99.9% of the time anyway. At motels on the road over night I bring the cases in just to remove temptation.

[ZG]

I watched the video and all I kept thinking was....hey, that bike is green! I like it.