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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: att2008vn on October 17, 2011, 08:58:46 AM
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Hi,
any feedback on this ??
I still feel something is not right in their video with the plastic bottle
at
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Oh THIS topic again!? ;D
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:popcorn:
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AT,
What these guys are trying to say is that this topic has been DONE TO DEATH and if you'd do a search on it, you might get some info.
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thanks Conrad,
I got it after seeing the word "again" but then a search didn't give out much things here, i m searching on the other COG forum and found something, still reading there. Anyway seems it doesn't fit me, the beads i mean, cuz of my habit of using the tire plugs.
Thanks
at
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That is a great observation- tire plugs would no doubt interfere with the proper operation of those beads. See, brand new information in a new thread about an old subject. Good stuff.
Disclaimer: my post assumes that Dyna beads are even capable of "proper operation" under any circumstances. I know there are those who love to hate that product but I really do not have an opinion about Dyna beads other than being impressed with their ability to rile up the natives on the 'Net. ;D
Brian
thanks Conrad,
I got it after seeing the word "again" but then a search didn't give out much things here, i m searching on the other COG forum and found something, still reading there. Anyway seems it doesn't fit me, the beads i mean, cuz of my habit of using the tire plugs.
Thanks
at
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thanks Conrad,
I got it after seeing the word "again" but then a search didn't give out much things here, i m searching on the other COG forum and found something, still reading there. Anyway seems it doesn't fit me, the beads i mean, cuz of my habit of using the tire plugs.
Thanks
at
I think that both would be painful....
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Man. the learning curve here has to be tough on newbies. :)
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Any conversation concerning "beads" tends to make my wife a bit uneasy.
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Man. the learning curve here has to be tough on newbies. :)
They gotta learn sometime... Anything they say can be and will be used against them in a humorous way.
Any yes, Poke's wife does get nervous about any conversations about beads.
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That is a great observation- tire plugs would no doubt interfere with the proper operation of those beads. See, brand new information in a new thread about an old subject. Good stuff.
Disclaimer: my post assumes that Dyna beads are even capable of "proper operation" under any circumstances. I know there are those who love to hate that product but I really do not have an opinion about Dyna beads other than being impressed with their ability to rile up the natives on the 'Net. ;D
Brian
Perhaps you mean that there is no doubt in your opinion... Personally, I do doubt that a tire plug would significantly interfere with the proper operation of the beads. A few would probably stick to the plug at first, but the remainder would continue to operate "normally", however that may be perceived.
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That is a great observation- tire plugs would no doubt interfere with the proper operation of those beads. See, brand new information in a new thread about an old subject. Good stuff.
Disclaimer: my post assumes that Dyna beads are even capable of "proper operation" under any circumstances. I know there are those who love to hate that product but I really do not have an opinion about Dyna beads other than being impressed with their ability to rile up the natives on the 'Net. ;D
Brian
Tire plugs are a another great topic! :D
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Of course the 'in my opinion' is implied, just as it is when you post about those beads, right Clyde? ;)
That said, I believe the beads must be free to move about inside the tire, and the stalk of a tire plug sticking up (or is that down?) into a tire carcass has to impede the beads' movement. I will not go so far to say that I think a tire plug would outright defeat the operation of the beads, just that a tire plug would have some effect on their operation. Assuming of course that the balancing beads work at all (easy there Clyde, just pulling on your chain a bit ;)).
Brian
Perhaps you mean that there is no doubt in your opinion... Personally, I do doubt that a tire plug would significantly interfere with the proper operation of the beads. A few would probably stick to the plug at first, but the remainder would continue to operate "normally", however that may be perceived.
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Yeah, but how soon can you use a synthetic tire plug on a new tire?
Brian
Tire plugs are a another great topic! :D
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Actually, with DynaBeads, the correct phrase would be "in my experience". I fortunately have no experience with the combination of beads and plugs, so yes, that part is "in my opinion". Somehow, "no doubt" did not trigger the obviously implied "in my opinion" you mention. My reading skills must be slipping.
Your other misapprehension is that the beads are continually rolling around the tire. Once the bike/tire is up to speed, they are for the most part stable in their location. Since the plug slightly alters the balance point of the wheel/tire, the beads' location will likely shift somewhat from the pre-puncture pattern.
Cheers.
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No, I made no such assumption. The assumption I did (and continue) to make is that the beads must be free to <reach> whatever relative position they [for lack of a better word] 'should' be in after the tire accelerates. That is when I believe the plug tail will get in the way- while the beads are traveling, not necessarily when they are static (assuming they do reach equilibrium and tend to stay in one place after the tire is accelerated to speed).
Just as an aside Clyde, it seems that sometimes you get a bit defensive when no defense is necessary. I was not attacking you, Dyna beads or anything else. In fact, I actually like you Clyde although I do think that occasionally you could reach behind you and pull that stick out just a little bit (not all the way because that stick is part of your charm). This is a great forum and I like participating here, and I like reading your participation too. But occasionally you seem a little sensitive. And believe me, I am aware of your language and behavior preferences and already take them into consideration, in addition to many other things, when I do post. So please consider that we may really all be on the same side, more or less.
Brian
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Your other misapprehension is that the beads are continually rolling around the tire. Once the bike/tire is up to speed, they are for the most part stable in their location. Since the plug slightly alters the balance point of the wheel/tire, the beads' location will likely shift somewhat from the pre-puncture pattern.
Cheers.
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Any yes, Poke's wife does get nervous about any conversations about beads.
:-X
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These guys will help you with your Dyno Bead issues, give 'em a call
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I like you, too, Brian. Even if you have a know-it-all attitude that is often unjustified. A rope plug in a tire no more inhibits the flow of the dynabeads than a twig inhibits the flow of a river. Of course, there may be a small delay or diversion, but the twig will not dam the river. If you had 40 or 50 rope plugs in a tire, dynabeads would probably not work well.
Again, you seem not to grasp the concept of what the beads do and do not do within the tire. Not that it is a big deal. Perhaps trying to correct a misconception on the internet is a loser's game. Perhaps even a sensitive loser's game.
Your turn.
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When the wheel is in a static/constant motion I feel safe that they will find their home. What happens to those beads during mild to hard braking? What happens to them on irregular roads? Add in plugs and everything changes, which of course should include the TPS. Machine testing in a controlled environment will not replicate what we get on the street. Finding that light spot and fixing a permanent weight removes the variables you have with free floating beads, I wonder, do MX riders use these?
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Here we go again...
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Wow, I wouldn't have thought it possible but you have charmed me Clyde. Nice job.
;D and, of course: (http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)
Anyway, I still think impeding the free movement of the balancing balls is not a good idea, cannot improve their performance and very well could lessen their performance. And this topic does not interest me enough to continue so one more witty repartee and you win. But let's meet back here (the forum) in two to three weeks; I'll comment on some topic or other and you respond with something on the caustic side and we can continue.... :D
Brian
I like you, too, Brian. Even if you have a know-it-all attitude that is often unjustified. A rope plug in a tire no more inhibits the flow of the dynabeads than a twig inhibits the flow of a river. Of course, there may be a small delay or diversion, but the twig will not dam the river. If you had 40 or 50 rope plugs in a tire, dynabeads would probably not work well.
Again, you seem not to grasp the concept of what the beads do and do not do within the tire. Not that it is a big deal. Perhaps trying to correct a misconception on the internet is a loser's game. Perhaps even a sensitive loser's game.
Your turn.
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How many thermometers would I have to dump into the tire to get enough mercury to balance the tire?
Does this need a new thread?
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Hopefully not...
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When the wheel is in a static/constant motion I feel safe that they will find their home. What happens to those beads during mild to hard braking? What happens to them on irregular roads? Add in plugs and everything changes, which of course should include the TPS. Machine testing in a controlled environment will not replicate what we get on the street. Finding that light spot and fixing a permanent weight removes the variables you have with free floating beads, I wonder, do MX riders use these?
Under mild braking, the centripetal force of the rotating wheel is stronger than the inertial force of the braking. Hopefully I'm using the terms correctly. At some point, the braking forces can/will overcome the spinning forces and the beads will start rolling within the tire. The heavier the braking, the higher the speed where the beads will "destabilize".
As a side not, the beads will take somewhat longer to stabilize under heavy acceleration, based on the same principles.
As I understand it, the beads require some irregularity in the road surface to function properly. They also require a minimal speed (about 20-35mph IIRC) to stabilize. If the road is so irregular that the minimal speed cannot be maintained, the beads will be ineffective.
The difference between tire plugs and TPS, as far as the function of the beads is concerned, is the location of the "obstruction". The TPS is on the wheel, while the beads are "thrown" outward, and do not come in contact with the TPS in normal operation. The rope plug is in the area where the beads flow, but the beads will flow around the plug without restriction.
The beads are not recommended by the manufacturer for racing. I have no information on whether any MX's are using them.
More information is available on the mfg's website: http://www.innovativebalancing.comsLike (http://www.innovativebalancing.comsLike) all products, they fit some users and applications better than others. For a sport rider that goes through tires in 3k miles or a racer, they make little or no sense at all.
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I'm entertaining this response for now....I may open it back up later.
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<rant on>There are so many forces acting upon a tire (and more-so a motorcycle tire) that Dyna-Beads are snake oil. Even the manufacturer cannot prove these balance a tire actually mounted on a moving tire. I can invent many ways to balance a statically mounted tire and make all sorts of claims. I am not saying they cannot balance a tire once you get up to speed and hold that speed steady going in a straight line with no bumps or imperfections in the road, but what good are they in the real world driving situations? I especially want a tire that is balanced if I am making an emergency stop, swerving to avoid something in the road, or just having fun accelerating as hard as the bike will let me. I don't want my tire to become unbalanced again just because I slow down, make a turn or hit a bump.
My opinion is that you cannot have anything that will act the same regardless of the physics involved, it is impossible (can you tell I am 100% against dyna beads?)<rant off>
Under mild braking, the centripetal force of the rotating wheel is stronger than the inertial force of the braking. Hopefully I'm using the terms correctly. At some point, the braking forces can/will overcome the spinning forces and the beads will start rolling within the tire. The heavier the braking, the higher the speed where the beads will "destabilize".
As a side not, the beads will take somewhat longer to stabilize under heavy acceleration, based on the same principles.
As I understand it, the beads require some irregularity in the road surface to function properly. They also require a minimal speed (about 20-35mph IIRC) to stabilize. If the road is so irregular that the minimal speed cannot be maintained, the beads will be ineffective.
The difference between tire plugs and TPS, as far as the function of the beads is concerned, is the location of the "obstruction". The TPS is on the wheel, while the beads are "thrown" outward, and do not come in contact with the TPS in normal operation. The rope plug is in the area where the beads flow, but the beads will flow around the plug without restriction.
The beads are not recommended by the manufacturer for racing. I have no information on whether any MX's are using them.
More information is available on the mfg's website: http://www.innovativebalancing.comsLike (http://www.innovativebalancing.comsLike) all products, they fit some users and applications better than others. For a sport rider that goes through tires in 3k miles or a racer, they make little or no sense at all.
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<rant on>There are so many forces acting upon a tire (and more-so a motorcycle tire) that Dyna-Beads are snake oil. Even the manufacturer cannot prove these balance a tire actually mounted on a moving tire. I can invent many ways to balance a statically mounted tire and make all sorts of claims. I am not saying they cannot balance a tire once you get up to speed and hold that speed steady going in a straight line with no bumps or imperfections in the road, but what good are they in the real world driving situations? I especially want a tire that is balanced if I am making an emergency stop, swerving to avoid something in the road, or just having fun accelerating as hard as the bike will let me. I don't want my tire to become unbalanced again just because I slow down, make a turn or hit a bump.
My opinion is that you cannot have anything that will act the same regardless of the physics involved, it is impossible (can you tell I am 100% against dyna beads?)<rant off>
^^^^that and actually that is putting it nicely (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/iconhammer.gif)
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[patience] They work just fine in real world driving conditions, thank you. Even emergency braking and swerving. [/patience]
[comment] Apparently my comment re: smooth roads was missed, ignored, or rejected. [/comment]
[redundancy] No one is forcing you to buy or use them if you don't want to. [/redundancy]
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[redundancy] No one is forcing you to buy or use them if you don't want to. [/redundancy]
Nope, but it is a fair exchange of ideas :) An informed buyer is better served in MOST cases by the riding community, not the folks looking to make a buck off the riders. No ill will towards those of you who use them, heck, if you were using them in car tires I'd still ride down the road with ya ;D
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Wouldn't something like Dynabeads that have tiny particles risk clogging up the TPMS sensors?
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I wouldn't run the stupid things in my lawnmower but I shore do like reading the replies about 'em. Tars are for air, crankcases are for oil, gas tanks are for gas (premium of course), etc. BTW, I shore would like to meet someone who has been inside a moving tar to see um operate! :rotflmao: :deadhorse:
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I really ought to get a commission. :)
I have run DB's in the C14 for about 20k miles. I saw no evidence that the beads in any way affected the TPMS in terms of accuracy, wear, abrasion, clogging, or anything else. If there is a risk, it seems to be incredibly small.
As far as the discussion goes, for the most part it devolves to "They work fine." and "It's snake oil. They can't work fine." No skin off my nose either way. It may or may not be relevant to the discussion, but I static-balance my wheels (rotors on, tires off) with lead weights, then use the DB's to balance the tire. Many new tires are in almost perfect balance anyway. It a sense, that nullifies one of the selling points of the beads, which is that "you won't have ugly weights spoiling the looks of your beautiful (custom) rims".
Late edit: The person who has been inside the moving tire probably could also tell us about his experience inside a crankcase, and in a gas tank, etc.
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Instead of using beads, I've been experimenting with a mixture of gases with different-sized molecules. My theory is that, in the highly centrifugal environment inside a tire the larger molecules will spin toward the outside, and will dynamically balance the tire. I'm not really done experimenting yet, but I've found that about 78% nitrogen, about 21% oxygen, and trace amounts of about 14 other gases works the best. YMMV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth)
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You're really nuts. :nuts: ;)
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I'm betting Ambrosian burl wood chips would be effective, fixes almost as much stuff as Sea Foam and KIPASS ;)
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I'm betting Ambrosian burl wood chips would be effective, fixes almost as much stuff as Sea Foam and KIPASS ;)
I'd bet that the wood chips smell better too.
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^^^^^^^^^^^I suspect all above solutions above work much better than "dyna-beads" (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
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I really ought to get a commission. :)
Late edit: The person who has been inside the moving tire probably could also tell us about his experience inside a crankcase, and in a gas tank, etc.
Later edit... I was not the one who was describing how they look/react inside a moving tire. Uh, let me think... Who was that? Hmmmm. Let me think.........
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I'm betting Ambrosian burl wood chips would be effective, fixes almost as much stuff as Sea Foam and KIPASS ;)
:thumbs: ;)
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And Jim was afraid that this thread would go downhill.....
;D
Brian
I'm betting Ambrosian burl wood chips would be effective, fixes almost as much stuff as Sea Foam and KIPASS ;)
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And Jim was afraid that this thread would go downhill.....
;D
Brian
Jim had better use some red loctite this time.
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This thread has win written all over it (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/dblthumb2.gif)
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Not yet. It's still fairly civil.
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Not yet. It's still fairly civil.
Would you like for me to change that? :stirpot:
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Late edit: The person who has been inside the moving tire probably could also tell us about his experience inside a crankcase, and in a gas tank, etc.
http://youtu.be/aOksuRwfovw (http://youtu.be/aOksuRwfovw)
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Beads could be a decent topic (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/iconstirthepot.gif)
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Would you like for me to change that? :stirpot:
>:( :)
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I have tried dyna-beads with my second set of tires on my 09 abs Connie....here is my experience...take it for what it is worth. Oh and yes I had read what people had said regarding TPS and dyna-beads not mixing, but because my younger brother has a 1000cc BMW and he swears by the dyna-beads, I thought I'd give them a try.
As a baseline for comparison, I bought my 09 ABS Connie in August of 2010 with OEM Bridgestones which were balanced with weights. At that time I only noticed vibration at well above 100 mph....and I had only taken the bike up to 130 mph just a few times while riding with some friends on Ninja's. I usually cruise around 80mph. I drive almost exclusively on country roads in rural Kansas and only at high speeds when I can see well into the distance with no one else in sight , especially the local troopers and sherrifs. My usual commute is 101 miles round trip each day to work.
At 7500 miles I put a set of Michellin PR-3's and had dyna beads put into the tires. I believe 3 ounces in the rear and two in the front, but I don't remember exactly. I let the mechanic at the store do his thing more or less. The first thing I noticed was that if I accelerated quickly my connie would vibrate erratically...sometimes more...sometimes less. At my normal cruising speed of 80mph I seemed to get a high frequency vibration which at times would make my throttle hand get numb. This numbness upset me because it reminded me of when I was young riding a Harley...I have no desire to ever visit those memories ever again. I took my connie up to 120mph on several occations but the vibration was terrible and I was afraid to hold the velocity very long. In fairness to the dyna-beads, when I accelerated with a constant but more tame pace the vibration was much less perhaps because the beads had a chance to more evenly disperse....BUT if I got on the throttle even at higher speeds when passing the vibration was unpredictable. After much thought I assumed this was why professional racers don't use dyna-beads...they don't like quick accelerations.
At 15,000 miles I changed my rear PR-3 for a new rear PR-3 and got rid of the dyna-beads in the rear....With no dyna-beads in the rear and dyna-beads still in the front the vibration I had been experiencing radically diminished. I was amazed that my rear tire with the beads had been causing so much of the vibration. I had assumed the majority of the problem was with my front tire, but I was wrong. Needless to say when I change my front PR-3 the dyna-beads will NOT be used.
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top~ :D
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Not really. No evidence from the story that the beads were a causal factor. New tire, new beads, new installation. Had the beads been removed, and the vibration subsequently stopped, the story would at least be relevant. The vibration could have been caused by a defect in the tire, improper installation, or by the beads. No effort was made to determine which. If the beads were thought to cause the vibration, it would only be logical to remove them from the front tire. Whatever the cause of the vibration, or the effect of beads in general, this story only shows that the poster did not bother to find the cause.
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I agree with Clyde. It would have been better to feel the end result with the original tire with the beads removed. Has anyone done that test?
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I agree with Clyde. It would have been better to feel the end result with the original tire with the beads removed. Has anyone done that test?
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Ceteris paribus is the proper method. But I still don't like Clyde's attitude :o (nobody asked me, really)
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Another issue that hasn't been brought up is the fact that DynaBeads recommends one ounce in the front and two in the rear for stock sized tires. The vibes could have been caused by to much weight.
I have had great luck with dynabeads, and will continue to use them for the forseeable future.
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Well, my 0.02, I wanted to believe in the dynabeads, researched all that my feeble mind could absorb, thought it all sounded reasonable.
Ordered some, then on to my unscientific, uncontrolled laboratory enviroment attempt to see how they worked.
Personal experience, ’97 Connie. Front wheel had stick on weights. About a thousand miles on the tire, no issues, hands on, hands off, any speeds. Marked and removed external wheel weights and installed, as per recommendation, 1 oz of dyna beads in the front tire. Around town speeds (up to 50-55mph), a little vibration in the front tire that was not present before. Got on the interstate, 65mph and faster, very heavy vibration through the front tire, scary heavy. After I returned home, I removed the wheel and took it to the local motorcycle shop (Cyclegear, where I used to be employed) for a spin balance check on the computerized machine with the dynabeads still in the tire, no external weights. Spun it up a few times to be sure/consistency. Hmmm, took the same amount of weight in the same spot as before, with the dyna beads in the tire, what gives? Re-installed weights, reinstalled wheel, test run, smooth as glass all speeds/roads. Not sold on working in the front tire.
Rear tire, I did an unscientific and probably hazardous on bike, test. Rear tire had stick on weights installed, but there was a slight vibration, visibly noticeable last time bike was on a dyno, you could see it “hopping” ever so slightly. Never really could feel it when riding though. Installed dynabeads, 2oz in rear tire, wheel weights still on, on the centerstand (attention; do not attempt this on your motorcycle, it is UNSAFE :)) front tire chocked, centerstand secured. Started the bike and clicked it into 6th gear, ran the bike up, (no, I don’t remember the exact rpm, somewhere between 3500-4000) rear tire still exhibited visible movement, about an inch maybe? OK, trying to give a benefit of doubt, maybe the external weights are messing with the dynabead karma, so removed weights, dynabeads in the tire. Ran her up again, heck no, way uber worse, almost thought the bike would bounce off the centerstand. Put weights back on, back to “normal”. So based on my personal experience on my bike with the tires on it at the time, no joy. I did not want to remove the wheel and test on the CG machine based on the front tire results, and now, the shop is closed.
I really wanted them to work, just didnt get the evidence that they did, on my bike.
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just curious, any rumors of these being used on the AMA road course bikes... on a pro level? :deadhorse:
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One thing I just don't get. Even if the beads work flawlessly, what is the perceived advantage over lead weights? Can't be cheaper, can't be easier. And don't say cosmetic because I think lead weights are just beautiful and the mental picture of beads rolling around in my tire
makes me wanna puke is kinda ugly. ;D
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I'm sorry the mental image of beads rolling around in my tires makes me dizzy... I can only do that for a few seconds. I would think the only reason I would put them in would be because I'm mounting my own tires and didn't want to go through the trouble of conventional balancing. However, many of us that do that (I don't anymore) find that balancing is not that much of a big deal if you have the right equipment. Some don't even balance at all.
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Putting the beads in might be no more difficult than balancing with lead weights but retrieving the beads when you dismount the used up tire has to be a payne in the arse. Static tire balancing is not a quick process but I have found that it is best not to get in a rush when working on my motorcycle, lest I forget to tighten a fastener or two.
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Well, here is some more attitude. Most of the questions/arguments about dynabeads are based on ignorance. The answers are on the DB website. Disagreeing is fine. But not bothering to do a bit of your own research is sad/lazy.
Lather - Cosmetics is one of the major selling points. Beads are often sold at custom bike shops where customers have dropped big coin on billet rims and they don't like the look of the lead weights. The other points are ease of balancing, and increased tire life because of the dynamic balancing.
MOB - No.
grinch - The beads do not work/do not claim to work with the axle held in place. This means that the results from the spin balance and having the swingarm held by the rear stand are expected, as the axle was fixed in both instances.
All of this has been on their website for years. So yes, Martin, the attitude continues. It makes no difference to me whether anyone uses the DynaBeads or not, but somehow the pic below explains my feelings:
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Lather - Cosmetics is one of the major selling points. Beads are often sold at custom bike shops where customers have dropped big coin on billet rims and they don't like the look of the lead weights. The other points are ease of balancing, and increased tire life because of the dynamic balancing.
I get it now and I think yur attitude is charming 8)
By the way I did research the carp out of Dyna Beads a long time ago when they first came out and wrote them off as being of doubious value to my self balancing and lead loving self. And I generally don't believe anything on the website when it is selling a product.
I can see the "ease of balancing" (assuming they work) but argue that advantage is negated when they have to be retrieved from an old tire. Increased tire life is feasible but imo impossible to document and since I get up to 17,000 miles with lead that's not an issue for me.
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I get it now and I think yur attitude is charming 8)
By the way I did research the carp out of Dyna Beads a long time ago when they first came out and wrote them off as being of doubious value to my self balancing and lead loving self. And I generally don't believe anything on the website when it is selling a product.
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I can see the "ease of balancing" (assuming they work) but argue that advantage is negated when they have to be retrieved from an old tire. Increased tire life is feasible but imo impossible to document and since I get up to 17,000 miles with lead that's not an issue for me.
I think most people just leave them in the old tire and buy new beads for the new tire.
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Well, I don't buy the axles being fixed in place negates the effect. I hope my axles are held in place firmly while traveling down the road. Are you implying "road" vibrations are required to energize or something the beads? I did ride the bike with the beads only in the front tire, no dice, very out of balance. And the rear tire was not fixed in place, that thing was bouncing around so much it was scary, no way would I have tried to run it down the road.
As with all topics, some for, some against.
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I think most people just leave them in the old tire and buy new beads for the new tire.
At 7 or 8 tires a year that would not work for me.
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Hello.
I had posted in "what did you do to your Concours today) that I had installed new PR4 GTs on my Connie and used Dyna Beads to Balance them as I have had good success with them before.
After taking a 'lets say a high spirited ride I was disappointed with the result.
So I removed the tires to have them balanced at my local dealer. Removed the tires, broke them down yo remove the Dyna Beads and discovered why they didn't work this time. I used a dish soap and water mix in a spray bottle to lubricate the bead. This solution obviously got inside the tire . The result of having even the slightest amount of water caused the Dyna Beads to stick to the tire ' completely around the center of the tire. I had to rub them off so i could vacuum them out of the tire. They are suppose move and balance the tire as needed. My soap/water solution prevented them from doing there job.
Just thought let everyone know it was not the Dyna Beads that failed.
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My soap/water solution prevented them from doing there job. Just thought let everyone know it was not the Dyna Beads that failed.
Yeah, I imagine that any type of moisture in the tire would be a big no-no with those things. How far off balance were the tires when balanced by the shop, after?
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Yeah, I imagine that any type of moisture in the tire would be a big no-no with those things. How far off balance were the tires when balanced by the shop, after?
Globbed up Dyna Beads was very likely the cause of a high speed wobble that resulted in a 75 mph high-side on the interstate back in 2011 that very nearly killed me...very easily could have. Totalled out my nearly new Rocket III, put me off my feet for three months, and forced me into early retirement.
NO MORE DYNA BEADS FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anybody that uses them is downright foolish to risk it, IMHO.
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Yeah, I imagine that any type of moisture in the tire would be a big no-no with those things. How far off balance were the tires when balanced by the shop, after?
Just returned from the dealership with my Balanced PR4GTs.
Both front and rear took 1.75oz each.I haven't taken it for a ride but will post results.
Cheers
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I put new PR4 GTs both front and rear on my bike last year. When dropping the wheels off to be mounted the shop asked if I minded them using the beads instead of weights. I went ahead and tried them. The funny thing is the bike had a vibration at ~120mph before and after the new tires and beads I have no vibrations all the way to the governor. The guy doing my tires said he typically uses slightly more beads than are called for and he also pointed out that some rims/tire combinations require even more just like some would require more traditional weights.
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I put new PR4 GTs both front and rear on my bike last year. When dropping the wheels off to be mounted the shop asked if I minded them using the beads instead of weights. I went ahead and tried them. The funny thing is the bike had a vibration at ~120mph before and after the new tires and beads I have no vibrations all the way to the governor. The guy doing my tires said he typically uses slightly more beads than are called for and he also pointed out that some rims/tire combinations require even more just like some would require more traditional weights.
Perhaps the tires with the vibration at ~120 weren't balanced properly in the first place?
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Perhaps the tires with the vibration at ~120 weren't balanced properly in the first place?
Or had fallen out of balance with age and wear.
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Dyna bead salesman are proof reincarnation is real. Before these guys were reincarnated, they were successfully peddling small bottles of liquid ;D
(http://media.tumblr.com/be38950c713405f25549ca10a3569d40/tumblr_inline_n4x2858LFl1s13cet.jpg)
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Dyna bead salesman are proof reincarnation is real. Before these guys were reincarnated, they were successfully peddling small bottles of liquid ;D
(http://media.tumblr.com/be38950c713405f25549ca10a3569d40/tumblr_inline_n4x2858LFl1s13cet.jpg)
So you're saying they don't work and my tires without any wheel weights happen to be so well balanced that I don't have any vibrations from 0-150 mph?
Interesting. I must be one lucky guy.
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:popcorn:
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:popcorn:
+1 or 6...
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+1 or 6...
Or even +100
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One thing is clear: They will NEVER work like a properly balanced tire, especially at high speeds. But to each his own. Don't understand why people mess with that crap, when it's so easy to properly balance a motorcycle tire. Oh well.
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One thing is clear: They will NEVER work like a properly balanced tire, especially at high speeds. But to each his own. Don't understand why people mess with that crap, when it's so easy to properly balance a motorcycle tire. Oh well.
Can you explain why they won't work as well at speed? You seem quite confident so I am sure you will be able to provide a link to a study that proves your point. I look forward to reading it.
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Can you explain why they won't work as well at speed? You seem quite confident so I am sure you will be able to provide a link to a study that proves your point.
Have read it many times. And since you haven't provided any 'study that proves your point' either, it's just our opinions :o. And even if you did, too many folks have complained of issues at high speeds (fi you like to venture there). If you think that snake oil works like a proper balancing, which 99.99%+ of vehicles get done for a reason, have at it ;). Takes minutes to balance a motorcycle wheel, even on your own. Not saying that you're lazy, but that seems to me to be the reason to use that stuff. And yes, I balance my own motorcycle wheels.
Now let me ask you this: If you know a properly done balancing job works 100% of the time, why the heck don't you get it done that way? Inquiring minds want to know :).
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Have read it many times. And since you haven't provided any 'study that proves your point' either, it's just our opinions :o. And even if you did, too many folks have complained of issues at high speeds (fi you like to venture there). If you think that snake oil works like a proper balancing, which 99.99%+ of vehicles get done for a reason, have at it ;). Takes minutes to balance a motorcycle wheel, even on your own. Not saying that you're lazy, but that seems to me to be the reason to use that stuff. And yes, I balance my own motorcycle wheels.
Now let me ask you this: If you know a properly done balancing job works 100% of the time, why the heck don't you get it done that way? Inquiring minds want to know :).
I am speaking from first hand experience and you are responding with statements that are supported by something you read somewhere on the internet.
I don't think laziness has ever been a factor in dyna beads. The fact that they redistribute and re-balance the tire constantly means you won't have any issues of the tiring coming out of balance due to wear or by throwing a weight.
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Can you explain why they won't work as well at speed? You seem quite confident so I am sure you will be able to provide a link to a study that proves your point. I look forward to reading it.
A globbed up bunch of Dyna Beads can absolutely ruin any chances of balancing a tire, and in the extreme, can prove lethal to the rider, passenger, and any others who might be struck by the careening bike after its death wobble.
No more Dyna Beads for me. I'm surprised they are still in business, quite frankly. One would think litigation costs would have put them belly-up long ago.
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It is nice to have choices and freedom. We all probably just need to agree that there will never be agreement when it comes to Dyna Beads (or oil for that matter... or break-in schedules....... or some other stuff) :)
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Dyna bead salesman are proof reincarnation is real. Before these guys were reincarnated, they were successfully peddling small bottles of liquid ;D
(http://media.tumblr.com/be38950c713405f25549ca10a3569d40/tumblr_inline_n4x2858LFl1s13cet.jpg)
This stuff really works! When is the last time you heard a snake squeak?
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Right after my blade starts cutting it like celery.
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Right after my blade starts cutting it like celery.
Start at the other end next time.