Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C10, aka Kawasaki Concours - The Original => The Bike - C10 => Topic started by: AZBiker on October 11, 2011, 06:53:32 PM
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I'm going through my carbs trying to figure out why the bike is running poorly and leaking gas.
Found put part of the problem was the repair that I tried to make to one of the crap K&L o-rings didn't work. Gasoline-1, Hondabond-0. 8-(
Since none of the import bike places keep more than $9.72 worth of inventory on hand, I headed off to the H-D dealer on a hunch.
I've heard that the Sportster and KLR650 share the same carb body and the diaphragms are interchangeable. So that got me thinking--if the diaphragms are interchangeable, maybe the float bowl o-rings are too. So I checked the part numbers from Kawi and the o-rings from the KLR are the same ones as the Connie. Kawasaki wants around $10 plus shipping for each one. And I'd have to wait.
So off to Grand Canyon H-D in Mayer I go. Told the tech I needed a float bowl o-ring for a 2001 XLH883, but any year from 1992-2003 (at least, maybe later) will work.
Here's what he came back with:
(http://azbiker.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/My-motorcycles/i-tzX4Vnd/0/L/2011-10-11-165505-L.jpg)
The part number is 27577-92.
(http://azbiker.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/My-motorcycles/i-4C255F3/0/L/2011-10-11-165531-L.jpg)
And here is the o-ring in the float bowl:
(http://azbiker.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/My-motorcycles/i-KVPpFdN/0/L/2011-10-11-170000-L.jpg)
Note the little circle--that's for the accelerator pump and will have to be carefully snipped off.
Cost was $4.25. Kawasaki ought to be ashamed of what they charge for their service parts.
Not encouraging anyone to go the darkside, but if someone is in desperate need for a carb o-ring try H-D. Some of the dealers are open 7 days a week and they actually stock parts.
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Don't know about any 'dark side' issues, but I for one find the information extremly valuable!
Thank you very much!
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Don't know about any 'dark side' issues, but I for one find the information extremely valuable!
Thank you very much!
You're welcome. I've pinched an o-ring before and the Hondabond just didn't hold up.
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I just realized something. The part number on the float bowl o-ring starts with 92. In Harleyese, that means that that part number was first used in 1992. The ones before '92 had the accelerator pump o-ring separate.
I think I also found a part number for the drain screw o-ring. I am going to Phoenix tomorrow, I'll take a float bowl and drain screw with me to check.
If the parts work, the cost to do the float bowls & drain screws will be $20 for everything.
I'm also gonna swing by an indy and see what it would cost to use all James gaskets. James gaskets are good stuff and made in the USA.
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Good info. Thanks.
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You can also get your carb jets from the HD shop for the exact same reason......
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So how long did it take to scrape the chrome off the gasket? ;D
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or you could simply make a call here:
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_107&products_id=329 (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_107&products_id=329)
and plop $20 for all 4, call on a Wednesday and check the mailbox Monday morn.....free shipping.....
but then you probably haven't been here long enough to know our secrets..... ;)
oh, and the reason the kaw parts are so high is they have to ship those HD rings to japan, and pay someone to cobbledick them and trim them down... 8)
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I've ordered stuff from Murphs before. Wanted to see if I could source some locally.
The K&L o-rings don't fit properly. They need to be stretched to fit because their molds are off.
I'm going to try some James gaskets because I like to buy stuff made in the USA when possible.
The H-D stuff is made in Japan.
Oddly enough, the same O-ring from Suzuki costs $5 and change. So I guess Kawasaki likes playing its customers for suckers.
or you could simply make a call here:
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_107&products_id=329 (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_107&products_id=329)
and plop $20 for all 4, call on a Wednesday and check the mailbox Monday morn.....free shipping.....
but then you probably haven't been here long enough to know our secrets..... ;)
oh, and the reason the kaw parts are so high is they have to ship those HD rings to japan, and pay someone to cobbledick them and trim them down... 8)
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I probably missed it - what is the suzuki part number?
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You didn't miss it--I didn't put it up. DOH!! My notes are at home.
You can look it up under any year of Suzuki 600 Bandit.
I guess the 600s used Keihin CVKs.
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I'm going to try some James gaskets because I like to buy stuff made in the USA when possible.The H-D stuff is made in Japan.
:rotflmao:
and your bike was made where? or should I say the parts were made where?
;)
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:rotflmao:
and your bike was made where? or should I say the parts were made where?
;)
I ride what I can afford. I miss the cheap parts, dealers that don't suck and the non-messy oil change that only required a stubby standard screwdriver.
If I could afford another solid-mount XLH I'd be on it in a heartbeat without looking back.
But I can't. I can afford what I've got.
Better to ride the fragile, expensive-to-repair Kawi than not ride at all.
Why should I not try to buy domestic parts for my motorcycle? Please explain.
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...Better to ride the fragile, expensive-to-repair Kawi than not ride at all.
Why should I not try to buy domestic parts for my motorcycle? Please explain.
I hardly consider the Concours fragile, or expensive to repair...based on how many 86 and up ones are running around today, or the ones with bonifide 200k odometer readings I've seen... ;)
please don't take my joking the wrong way, I like low priced parts that work also, and I along with Steve in Fla have probably installed hundreds of K&L bowl gaskets....stretch them, install, and all is good. You only stretch it once during install, no big deal. Easier to stretch one than SHRINK one... 8)
as for James kits, I think you may be confusing "KIT made in U.S.A.", with "ALL PARTS in Kit MANUFACTURED in the U.S.A."....big difference. call them.
;)
(they do have good prices though, I need to check with them as the prices for diaphragm/slide assy is great ($44?)
frugal is all good man, nothing wrong with it.
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"and your bike was made where? "
I still have the handle bar tag somewhere that notes my 2000 was assembled -- which is as close as a vehicle gets to being made -- in Lincoln, Nebraska.
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Had never heard of James Gasket before -- probably because I've never been a Harley type -- but it looks like a
JGI-27577-88 would be perfect alternative.
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I hardly consider the Concours fragile, or expensive to repair...based on how many 86 and up ones are running around today, or the ones with bonifide 200k odometer readings I've seen... ;)
please don't take my joking the wrong way, I like low priced parts that work also, and I along with Steve in Fla have probably installed hundreds of K&L bowl gaskets....stretch them, install, and all is good. You only stretch it once during install, no big deal. Easier to stretch one than SHRINK one... 8)
as for James kits, I think you may be confusing "KIT made in U.S.A.", with "ALL PARTS in Kit MANUFACTURED in the U.S.A."....big difference. call them.
;)
(they do have good prices though, I need to check with them as the prices for diaphragm/slide assy is great ($44?)
frugal is all good man, nothing wrong with it.
$44 for a diaphragm blows your mind, eh? I heard about the interchangeability a long time ago on advrider from a KLR owner.
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Had never heard of James Gasket before -- probably because I've never been a Harley type -- but it looks like a
JGI-27577-88 would be perfect alternative.
James even designed their own intake manifold gaskets--totally different than the H-D factory pieces. Work better too.
I'm going to email or call them this week and find out if all their stuff is molded here.