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Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« on: September 13, 2011, 08:23:29 AM »
I'm looking for opinions on the Cal Sci Tinted Shorty windshield.  The website says it's 1" taller and 2" wider than the stock 2010 screen, which would make it about 3.75" taller than the stock shield on my 2009.  I'm just looking for something that's going to be a little better at protecting me from the wind in cool weather.  The stock shield in the highest position isn't bad wind-wise, but the buffeting and noise are terrible.  I'm just wondering if the Cal Sci shorty is significantly better than stock in that respect.  I'm about 6' tall.

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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2011, 08:36:25 AM »
I ordered one for my 2011 last Wednesday.  I haven't heard regarding delivery but will post something as soon as I recieve it.

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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 08:36:40 AM »
First of all, the shorty isn't taller than the stock '10 shield, it's 1.75" shorter, which makes it 1" taller than the stock '08/'09 shield. You're right about the width though.

I have the shorty and I really like it. I have the stocker on my bike now because the shorty blocks too much air in the warmer/hot months. It's starting to cool off a bit here and I'll be putting the shorty back on soon. It does block quite a bit more air than the stocker. You wouldn't think that 1" on top and on both sides would make that much of a difference but for me it does. I'm 5'5".

Combined with the Motax air deflectors the shorty is great in the cold months.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2011, 09:38:35 AM »
Did you look at the MRA Vario?  Just got one, very happy with it.  I'm 6'4" tall.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2011, 10:17:45 AM »
I wouldn't use the shorty for cool riding... (this, coming from someone who will ride a naked (motorcycle) in the winter).

The CalSci website it pretty spot on in comparing shields to stock, so I taped a ruler to the windscreen to get an idea of how the CalSci sheilds lined up in the full range of travel.

I use the CalSci Large for distance and cool riding. Just below full up, I can still see over, but no helmet buffeting. Full down and air hits below my shoulders, and ho buffeting. I'm 5'11", 32" inseam, if that helps compare.

I DO have a shorty, which I use in warm/moderate temps. Besides, it just looks cool on the bike! The shorty is in my avatar.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2011, 11:07:00 AM »
I wouldn't use the shorty for cool riding... (this, coming from someone who will ride a naked (motorcycle) in the winter).

The CalSci website it pretty spot on in comparing shields to stock, so I taped a ruler to the windscreen to get an idea of how the CalSci sheilds lined up in the full range of travel.

I use the CalSci Large for distance and cool riding. Just below full up, I can still see over, but no helmet buffeting. Full down and air hits below my shoulders, and ho buffeting. I'm 5'11", 32" inseam, if that helps compare.

I DO have a shorty, which I use in warm/moderate temps. Besides, it just looks cool on the bike! The shorty is in my avatar.

Since I only have 3 shields, 2 stockers and the shorty, I use the shorty for the colder riding months. Since I'm 5'5" the shorty meets my needs as far as blocking the cold air.

I do agree, the shorty looks cool!
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2011, 08:35:30 AM »
Did you look at the MRA Vario?  Just got one, very happy with it.  I'm 6'4" tall.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2011, 10:46:47 AM »
Thanks for everyone's input.  I did all the research I could and ended up ordering a CalSci Large for my cool weather screen.  I also considered the Cee Bailey Ultra Tour and the VStream.  Now the hard part is just waiting for delivery!
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2011, 10:57:25 AM »
Thanks for everyone's input.  I did all the research I could and ended up ordering a CalSci Large for my cool weather screen.  I also considered the Cee Bailey Ultra Tour and the VStream.  Now the hard part is just waiting for delivery!

CalSci always sends a spray bottle of shield cleaner and a microfiber cloth out with the shields. I don't know what's in that spray bottle but it works great!
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2013, 07:31:33 AM »
I ordered a CalSci Tinted Shorty based on the positive reviews I've read, such as this one.  It arrived a couple of days ago and when I went to install it, I was hugely disappointed!  First off, the holes don't line up without installing one side and preloading the other side into alignment, then the center fasteners bottom out and don't tighten against the screen.  (I chalk that up to the fact that it's thinner than the stocker - or any of CalSci's taller screens.)  Once the top trim piece is installed, there's a HUGE gap in the middle and you can easily see the center screw.  (I flipped the trim over and swapped them side for side - just in case I might have screwed up how they went when I took them off and it doesn't cure this.) Finally, the outboard corners of the screen are dangerously close to riding against the fairing when the windscreen is in the down position.  I'm afraid with any kind of forward speed it will contact.  I could rework this thing to solve some of the issues, but for the price, I shouldn't have to.  This one certainly has to go back!  Has anyone else had any fitment issues with this product?
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2013, 08:13:16 AM »
The shorty is thinner than the stocker so you have to either get some thicker plastic washers or do like I did and tripled em up. That solves two of your issues but I can't help with the others. Mine fits fine.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2013, 09:57:32 AM »
The shorty is thinner than the stocker so you have to either get some thicker plastic washers or do like I did and tripled em up. That solves two of your issues but I can't help with the others. Mine fits fine.

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... Finally, the outboard corners of the screen are dangerously close to riding against the fairing when the windscreen is in the down position.  I'm afraid with any kind of forward speed it will contact. ...

Define "dangerously close". Mine sits about 3/16" away in the down position, and has never made contact with the fairings in over 8000 miles and the occasional triple digit speed. There isn't much deflection that can happen between the mount and this corner, unless you broadside a moose.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2013, 02:51:53 PM »
Dangerously close = 0.005"
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 02:54:51 PM »
Dangerously close = 0.005"

Someone's got a micrometer... Yeah, that seems a tad tight.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2013, 04:27:28 PM »
The shorty is thinner than the stocker so you have to either get some thicker plastic washers or do like I did and tripled em up. That solves two of your issues but I can't help with the others. Mine fits fine.

Why in the world would they make it thinner?  That sounds plain stupid.  Maybe they CAN because it is less weight/mass, but still, that sounds stupid to me.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2013, 06:15:58 AM »
The shorty is thinner than the stocker so you have to either get some thicker plastic washers or do like I did and tripled em up. That solves two of your issues but I can't help with the others. Mine fits fine.

Why in the world would they make it thinner?  That sounds plain stupid.  Maybe they CAN because it is less weight/mass, but still, that sounds stupid to me.

I'm sorry, I should have elaborated a bit. It's thinner in the area where the screen mounts to the brackets on the bike making it necessary to add some washers to make up for the difference.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2013, 11:16:55 AM »
Why in the world would they make it thinner?  That sounds plain stupid.  Maybe they CAN because it is less weight/mass, but still, that sounds stupid to me.

There's not a lot of surface area on the shorty, so why would they pay for more material than they HAVE to? Keeps their costs down, and they pass that savings on to the consumer. The thickness of the shield has not been an issue for 99% of us that have it.

If memory serves, their larger shields are also thicker (haven't put my large on in a while).
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2013, 02:51:49 PM »
When I said 0.005" earlier, it was actually a guesstimate.  I didn't actually measure anything on the initial install.  I do have a dial caliper and several sets of feeler gauges, so I could have, I just didn't see a point in it.  After being asked to define "dangerously close" I thought it might be a good idea to go ahead and take some measurements so, I went out to the shop yesterday and re-installed the Shorty and put together a photo essay on the ill-fitting CalSci Tinted Shorty I received. Not just for this thread, but so I'd have solid info and something to show CalSci when I ask for a refund.   

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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2013, 03:23:48 PM »
When I said 0.005" earlier, it was actually a guesstimate.  I didn't actually measure anything on the initial install.  I do have a dial caliper and several sets of feeler gauges, so I could have, I just didn't see a point in it.  After being asked to define "dangerously close" I thought it might be a good idea to go ahead and take some measurements so, I went out to the shop yesterday and re-installed the Shorty and put together a photo essay on the ill-fitting CalSci Tinted Shorty I received. Not just for this thread, but so I'd have solid info and something to show CalSci when I ask for a refund.   

http://s32.photobucket.com/user/paulweit/story/11573

The images in that Photobucket link are too small for me to read (maybe because I don't have an account).

The only valid issue you have is the screen making contact with the fairing. Send those pics to CalSci and see what they can do for you. They're a pretty good company.

You are the first person I've come across who has such an issue with the mounting to the brackets. We all have the spacing issue with the thinner material, but the rest of us just made it work and kept riding. Not an issue in day to day operation of the shield.

Others have cut down a stock shield, and some have even back-painted them to get the effect of the tinted shorty. You have options if you still want to achieve a shorter shield.
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Re: Cal Sci Tinted Shorty
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2013, 02:22:53 PM »
I don't know why the photobucket site wouldn't work for you, RBX QB.  It seems to work fine for me when I'm not logged in (something I checked before posting) and worked fine for a friend who pulled it up on his computer this morning - and he's not a member.  It did shrink my pics a little when I put the storybook together, so the font is smaller than on the originals, but on an average desktop monitor they're OK (bigger than reading this message).  I didn't post all the pix here because there were quite a few and I figured most people don't want to waste the b/w, so I linked them to the story. They may be easier to read in a non-storybook format.  For anyone still interested and the storybook format doesn't work for them, try:

http://s32.photobucket.com/user/paulweit/library/Connie?sort=2&page=1

I can tell from all the positive comments made here and everywhere else I looked, that CalSci is a good, honest, reputable outfit - and that's why I chose them in the first place.  Chances are this is just one of those times when a bad unit made it out the shop door.  All the more evident by what appears, from reading replies to my inquiry, to be an isolated incident.  I have sent CalSci a request for refund and explained why.  As suggested (and expected) they have agreed to take it back. 

I do disagree with RBX QB that my only "valid issue" is the corners being close to contact.  If that was all, that's easy to fix and I probably would have just rounded the corners a little and been done with it. (I think that would look better anyway.)

FWIW - Based on my past experiences with aftermarket m/c screens (Zero Gravity, Givi & Suzuki Accessory) as well as professional experience with plastic (and glass) windows and windshields in helicopters and airplanes, I believe all of these issues are valid:

1) The mounting holes do not align without preloading the screen.  Having to preload the screen induces stress, which can lead to cracking.  In my case, the screen had to have twisting force applied just to get the bosses to go in the holes.  My stock screen lays nicely on the mounts.  No reason to expect anyone's replacement screen not to fit similarly.

2) The screen won't lay flat against the screen mount arms when just laid in place.  The stock screen does and I would expect any replacement screen commercially available to do the same.

3) Due to it being thinner than stock (which I knew going in), the center fasteners shank out and won't secure the screen without additional action from the installer (which I didn't know going in).  Just because everyone shims the screen to make up for the difference in thickness doesn't make that OK.  If that was per the design intent, the shimming washers should be provided - or at the very minimum, mentioned in the instructions.  By the way, there weren't any instructions either.  Not that I thought I would (or should) need them for this job.

4) When all six fasteners are in, the topside mount/trim pieces gap between the upper and lower screws and the screen itself gaps from the mounting arms in the inside. Probably because of 2).

5) The outboard corners come very close (0.040" or closer) to contacting the fairing when I preload the screen enough to get all six fasteners in.

Obviously, it has failed to meet my expectations.  Bottom line, this one fit poorly and once installed, it looked terrible.  To those that are happy with theirs, I think that's great.  :chugbeer:

I got a lemon.  They agreed to take it back, so once funds are back in my account, I'm done with it and my experience with CalSci will be positive, my world will be back in balance and it'll be all puppy dogs and rainbows.  :finger_fing11:
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