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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2014, 06:18:12 AM »
OK, I just talked to my dealer today.  They said they have to see the warning message themselves or it is not covered.  A photo isn't enough for them.  And of course, mine are not bad enough YET that it would do that (show them; only me on a cold morning).  This means I have to spend all the money now to replace the tires and then 9 months later when it starts getting really annoying, have to go through all this again and get them replaced.  .  He suggested I call Kawasaki consumer hotline or something and complain about the situation.

As far as I am concerned, if an owner *EVER* gets a low battery warning, then they should be eligible immediately for replacement under warranty and a photo should be enough evidence.  Why the F*** should we have to be inconvenienced by warnings that take over the dash for months and months until it is finally bad enough that it will do it on command for some dealer to see?

Oh, and I have the extended warranty, but if I didn't, that would mean although the sensors are throwing occasional warnings NOW, by the time they would be "eligible" my warranty would be over.

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Depends on the dealer, Max.  Sounds like you have one of the aholes, of which there are a plenty.  Unfortunately the only downside I see with owning one of these bikes is the dealer network.  I agree with you totally on your assessment.  There isn't any standardization on how they treat their customers and they don't  :censored: realize that they are alienating them from ever buying another one.  But then again, I don't know how the other brands treat their customers either.

Yep, it all depends on your dealer. When my TPS were acting up I took a pic of the display right away. I called my dealer and spoke with the tech. I told him what was going on and that I had pics of the issue. He said don't bother with the pics that he believed me and he would order the parts, he did.
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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2014, 06:19:45 AM »
Going through the TPS crap with my dealer on a C14 2012.  They say if they don't see the error and they remove the part, then test it after removal and it shows as good, they will charge me for the work.  They also said that all parts replaced under warranty are kept for 3 months.  At any time, Kawasaki can call down from the mother ship to audit the parts.  If the parts work, Kaw does not pay the dealer for the parts. 

My front TPS has been whacked since last August, so cold weather is not a factor.  Sometimes the TPS works, sometimes it shows low battery, sometimes it's dead, and sometimes it shows what looks like a legitimate low pressure warning with correctly inflated tires.   Seeing a 27 psi warning while riding 80 MPH down the super slab is not a good feeling.  Now i don't pay attention.  I dread the day when the warning is correct.  So now the safety equipment is a safety hazard.  What a bunch of  :censored: .

I'd like to see how your dealer tests those things...
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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2014, 07:36:07 AM »
I'd like to see how your dealer tests those things...

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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2014, 08:50:38 AM »
Sounds like you had 'em installed in the wrong location.    :o


That and I did not use hypoallergenic lube!  :banghead:
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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2014, 08:58:06 AM »
Sounds like you had 'em installed in the wrong location.    :o


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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2014, 10:04:16 AM »

That and I did not use hypoallergenic lube!  :banghead:

That'll learn ya!
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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2014, 12:19:47 PM »
Yep, it all depends on your dealer. When my TPS were acting up I took a pic of the display right away. I called my dealer and spoke with the tech. I told him what was going on and that I had pics of the issue. He said don't bother with the pics that he believed me and he would order the parts, he did.

Same here, mine were intermittant from the 4th year on, and after moving to Ohio from Va, and I wanted to replace my cam sensor o-ring, i asked my local dealer about it. I purchased an o-ring to see what size it was so I could find the corrrectly sized substitute I now distribute to you all.
At that time, he checked on my service records, and saw I had extended coverage, and was still open to swapping out my headlight knobs if so desired, I told him mine were fine, but go ahead and get them in...I also told him I was having the TPS issues, but as I didn't ride in that day he couldn't "check" the display; His response was, "your word is good enough, I'll o0rder them in, and call when they get here to schedule replacement"...
5 days later he called me, I dropped the bike off... that particular day I did not get any TPS warnings, but that didn't matter, they said they would replace them anyways, as it's a "safety" related issue. They returned the old sensors to Kaw, and did not have a thing to dispute.
There is pretty much no way they could test them off the bike, as they require pressure and motion to make them actuate.

a lot of dealers are full of B/S, and being diligent on your part is what makes some above others, keeping them honest, and on thier toes.
I simply have been lucky with the 2 dealerships I have used, and when I inquired of other dealerships on these things, and got the wrong answers, made it certain to them verbally that I would NOT use thier services, and that I would share this information with COG as past technical editor... some came around, some didn't...
YMMV.

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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2014, 12:34:05 PM »
Do you think this dealer recalcitrance (word of the day) is done knowingly (not wanting to deal with Kawasaki) or is it that they just don't have a clue on how to deal with warranty items.  However, it sounds like the former to me.
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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2014, 01:26:19 PM »
Do you think this dealer recalcitrance (word of the day) is done knowingly (not wanting to deal with Kawasaki) or is it that they just don't have a clue on how to deal with warranty items.  However, it sounds like the former to me.
IMHO it's a melange (nwod from me  ;) ) of that, and a lack of business sense. Many Dealerships have been living on thier laurals, and squeeking by selling new bikes. ohthers have diversified into quads and watersport products. This combined with dealerships that have been failing, only to be sold off / purchased bu someone hoping it would be profitable, has sent many swirling down the quality drainpipe.
Owners don't keep a tight reign on the people working for them, and accept the lack of income as acceptable, when really the tech's and sales force prolly aren't doing all they can to make the dealership a higher rated one within the network. The owner then becomes apathetic, and goes down with the ship... sells off the business to another fish, and the cycle continues.

The 2 dealers I have good faith in (Ultimate in Richmond, and Ohio Motorcycle in N.e. ohio) both have what I consider a success oriented management, they keep the employees educated, and are contantly fitering information back and forth to all departments... in otherwords, the owner does'nt sit in his office hoping all is ok, he makes sure the "machine" is working. They are all about customer satisfaction, to them it isn't just a bunch of "buzz word" used to advertise, but the way bussiness IS run.

A prime example of this is the mentality my pal Pete Danials has, he's the owner of Ultimate, and the kind fellow that I worked with to provide the best pricing on the GTPP for our group. He didn't have to do it, he thought about it when we spoke, and understood that he could draw bussiness from every state (except Fla.) by his offer. This in turn allowed him to get prestigiuos status with Kaw corporate placing him as one of the highest rated dealers in the USA today, by simply not being greedy, and at the same time making a "fair" profit for a 10 minute job. He wasn't looking to get rich off it, but quantity, and customer feedback turn into sales on his part, and this got his recognition corporatly as a top tier dealer.
the results of that are; he gets new bikes faster, parts priorities, and comps from his services. He was and is willing to go that "extra phone call" to get a satisfied customer, knowing it IS the way to a successful business....
Unlike many dealers / service managers, who don't have a clue of what they could have if they just gave a damn.

I'm going to drop a note to him in his e-mail, he probably won't get back untill Tuesday as they aren't open Mondays, but I'll send him a link to this thread, and ask for his personal response on "why" dealers fail to give good service... I kinda know he is going to tell me Kaw does not permit him to do some things on the net that might "disparage other dealerships", but I think he can respond to me candidly, and I will relate his explanations.

(he is not allowed to advertise his pricing for GTPP by corporate mandate... but I as a customer AM allowed to relate the "pricing" I recieved from him, and to tell others he can repeat this for all... nice to be the back door man in the offer.... ;D  )

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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2014, 01:47:52 PM »
I'd like to see how your dealer tests those things...

I would like to see a lot of things dealers claim.  But you got to hand it to them.  They are great at consistently making up fictional stories in real-time and with a straight face.   At least they are talented at something.    :pukeface:

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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2014, 02:14:39 PM »
Thank you, Rich.  I think we all appreciate the explanation and the followup.  :goodpost:
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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2014, 05:33:51 PM »
IMHO it's a melange (nwod from me  ;) ) of that, and a lack of business sense. Many Dealerships have been living on thier laurals, and squeeking by selling new bikes. ohthers have diversified into quads and watersport products. This combined with dealerships that have been failing, only to be sold off / purchased bu someone hoping it would be profitable, has sent many swirling down the quality drainpipe.[...] by simply not being greedy

Greed.  That is probably one of the biggest factors.  And it is so clearly indicated when I go in looking to buy tires.  Internet sales have hurt ALL brick and mortar businesses and there are a lot of slimy customers who will gut a local dealer over a tiny savings.  But I (like many of you) place a value on good, local service.  So why is it when I go into a dealer and ask for a reasonable price on tires, they quote 25% higher than what I can get online and then try to force my hand by further penalizing customers another $80 more if they bring in my own tires?  GREED.  I would gladly pay an extra 10% or 15%, but 30% is crazy.  And when I feel forced to do something, I fight back.

As for the TPS, again, I don't feel like a valued customer.  And I know that dealing with Kawasaki corp is probably difficult at times.  THEY screwed up the design and caused the mess in the first place.  And they COULD have fixed it at any time over the last SIX YEARS by coming up with a replacement sensor that properly lasts for 6 years or more... or designed a replacement external device that requires little expense to replace... or at a minimum just have easily replaceable batteries.  But GREED probably motivates them, too.  They can make a lot more money by designing it to fail right after warranty and then sell them through dealers for over $350 a pair and slap on lots of labor.  The dealers feel empowered with their proprietary software needed to "program" them and think it is yet another source of sure income.    Kawasaki has good reasons to make the process difficult so it doesn't cost THEM lots of money to keep fixing THEIR poor design situation.  It is not good for the customer in ANY way.

I think Kawasaki and dealers often greatly underestimate the power of the consumer, especially in the Internet age.  On forums like this we can and do share critical information they try to suppress, ignore, or sweep under the carpet.  Dealers seem shocked when I walk in knowing at least as much if not MORE about what is going on with Concours issues than they do.  And when they do something wrong (or something right), they should not be surprised when word quickly spreads.  It is no accident I monitored this forum for many months before I decided to plop down a ton of my hard-earned cash to buy a high-end motorcycle.  Did the same before buying my G37, and many other things.

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While at that same dealer who quoted me 30% over reasonable for tires and said my photos would not be enough "proof" for a well-known issue with TPS replacement, I met another local Concours owner.  And would you be surprised at my singing the praise of the excellent products and services from McEnterprises, Sargent, Ghul, and several others to him?  Each one of those vendors went a little out of their way to make me happy, and it is going to rain good karma on them for YEARS because of it.
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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2014, 06:02:58 PM »
don't be confused with the desire of aftermarket retailers claims, to satisfy the customer. They have little on the line for risk, and everything to gain.
Kawasaki as a corporation, deals with this sort of feedback (when givin in the correct context, i.e. not biotchin, but asking for help) in a different manner; we have seen them step up and answer legitimate problems over the course of the last few years, and especially the tire sensors... again, if the dealership doesn't make it happen, it isn't on Kaw, they have a track record noted by many of us, to cover the issue with replacement... dealerships need to make it happen. If they sit there and hem-n-haw, and never pick up the phone to get-r done, you are screwed...... plain and simple.

after market suppliers are a different breed, still trying to pry your money out of the pocket, just with a different avenue of approach.
(case in point again, Guhl has you send your ECU to them at cost, someone plugs it into another computer, hits a button, and viola.... your unit is done.... then it gets sent back.)

dollars per hour spent for that?

just making a point. ::)


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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2014, 08:59:52 PM »
How many threads have we seen on the TPMS?  I would guess almost as many as KIPASS and tires.  All these years later, and it is still an issue.   From our perspective it sure seems like Ma Kaw is irresponsible in continuing to put out a deficient product, and not empowering dealers to take care of customers.  I guess from Ma Kaw's perspective anyone willing to shell out the cost of a C14 should be willing to spend the $ to keep the TPMS running.  Apparently there is no middle ground here.  Ma is right about cheap.  My $2 tire gague still works fine, and the dealer that refused to fix mine was more than happy to shut off the TPMS display.  It is what it is.   :P

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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2014, 03:29:28 AM »
My $2 tire gague still works fine, and the dealer that refused to fix mine was more than happy to shut off the TPMS display.  It is what it is.   :P

The dealer shut off your TPMS display? How did they do that? If the TMPS's are removed or have dead batteries, all you get on the display are a couple dashes anyway (--).

I don't get too worked up over the tire pressure sensors. You can have the batteries replaced for $20 at any battery shop, and they're like new again. That's with the old/original versions of course...not the newer ones.

Or you can run traditional valve stems and use a $2 tire pressure gauge, I've done that too;).

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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2014, 10:05:16 AM »
I believe it is a dealer issue more than a Kawasaki issue, but yes Kawa needs to make a better TPS if they are going to equip bikes with it.
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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2014, 05:49:16 PM »
I pulled over and got photos and a video.  I guess I will try calling Kawasaki on monday... maybe I will get lucky.

Called them today.  Got a really nice guy.  Explained it all, gave him my contact info, and they are supposed to research it and contact me back...
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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2014, 04:48:45 AM »
Called them today.  Got a really nice guy.  Explained it all, gave him my contact info, and they are supposed to research it and contact me back...

Good luck with that. It'll be Mark calling you back.    :o
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« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2014, 09:09:45 AM »
Called them today.  Got a really nice guy.  Explained it all, gave him my contact info, and they are supposed to research it and contact me back...


Sounds a bit like a failed reach around to me.
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Re: warranty on tps
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2014, 04:27:30 PM »

I don't get too worked up over the tire pressure sensors. You can have the batteries replaced for $20 at any battery shop, and they're like new again. That's with the old/original versions of course...not the newer ones.



Rembrant : I was wondering if you can share the part # of the batteries in the TPMS sensors. You also talk about new vs old. When did the new come in? I've got a 2012. My point is that I would like to buy the batteries before I get the tires off the wheels. Thanks.

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